Minerals

[Shannon Nelson]

A few years ago I saved some *wonderful* posts from the list on
plutonium, but I haven't gone thru it to collate or summarize or
extract, and it's a lot of material (at least if I can still find it
all...). Would it be alright to just post the lump of it, with
attributions?
Shannon

[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Sounds cool to me. Good idea. Rosemary

[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Are a few people decided, then, to "do" Plutonium?

I still think it's important to define ahead of time what we want to accomplish and how we propose to do that.

Rosemary

[Rochelle Marsden]

One of Ian Watson's tapes includes Plutonium as one of the heavy Rx together with Granite and Carc. Wish I had a transcript!!

Rochelle

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[AH]

on 4/18/05 12:35 PM, Rosemary C Hyde PhD at rosemarychyde@mindspring.com
wrote:

Soroush wrote:
"...the compounds are just as interesting and it would be of interest if

((( Hi Rosemary and Soroush, Standardizing the format, might be good as
alluded to. Unique lecture notes and proving and MM compendium in text
form, and a comparative chart of element and compounds is one idea. If we
think carefully about how this is set up in the beginning--the product would
be quite useful. One idea--a synoptic guide in uniform format (perhaps a
chart where appropriate, and then a text compilation always accompanying
it)----- could end up being very useful in practice.

Clinical experience, summary of info from provings, lecture notes,
publications, books. A great way to pool effort and pull together info
that we have as a group but do not have as individuals--and save labor.

Another idea One rx at a time is ok and then have benefit of focus and
material from many people).

Another way to do it---the list of periodic chart rx of one column?
(probably the most similar type of grouping) could be posted, and people
volunteer for one of the elements by privately posting as a volunteer to
Annemieke. Annemieke could then post publically a compiled list of the
assignments for that column and their volunteers with their email addresses,
and the deadline for submission of the product privately to all
participants and/or to the list in general (those submissions which can
adapt to text). The drawback here is that the compilation effect is not as
good, UNLESS each person volunteering to compile an element in the column
asks for private submission of unique seminar info etc for selected rx from
people with RFW, EH, those who went to seminars or who have specific books.

The volunteering can be done all at the same time, as can the presentations
(done in the manner you say). Some of the elements will be a large amount
of work because of the large number of compounds and information. Some will
not. Synopsis and minimum syndrome of maximum value in chart form could be
the format for maximum usefulness in practice...

By doing one column and then being able to compare all results at the same
time, we get the benefit of putting it in memory in comparative fashion.
Another idea:, one person could submit the themes/indicators of
scholten/sankaran for each column and each element and each compound.

Soroush wrote:

((( Participation by Joy our MM Guru always a benefit to all.

Soroush wrote:

((( If you have his texts, Soroush, they will be instructive. 2 MM of
elements/compounds, as well there is a repertory (Scholten has also written
books on other non mineral rx); and a book on Lanthanides long promised but
not yet published.

Scholten and Periodic Chart
But here is a short overview of the topic... Scholten realized that a large
number of elements and compounds were missing from the MM. This provided a
limitation. If "creation" was a holistic phenomenon, then many cases were
not attracted to homeopathic medicine in the first place; or-- we failed
with them-- merely because we were very far from completing "alchemical"
characterization of much of the periodic chart, and thus could not employ
these remedies clinically (the same is true of the other kingdoms of
animals, plants, fungi, microorganisms, etc).

Many others (Sankaran, Sherr among them) had and have the same view of
incompleteness of the materia medica and have worked on the same problem in
similar and diverging ways (Sherr by involving people all over the world in
provings of elements/compounds as well as other substances; Sankaran by his
own method of viewing the periodic chart, for example). Scholten (circa
early 90s) developed a schema/cosmological/alchemical view of the general
themes of the periodic chart by warp and woof (x and y dimensions). So
there are 18 evolutionary stages across left to right for example: and 7
experiential levels top to bottom (with 1 level having an "overflow" of
similar elements that spill out into the bottom of the chart (Lanthanides),
along with another row which is customarily put below it--the Actinides.).
The whole chart of groupings by physical similarities and atomic
characteristics has 118 total members (although after about element 100 or
so, these are typically made in a laboratory setting and devices (eg.
particle accelerator) and these unnatural elements decay in a short time).

So, Scholten's postulated hypothesis was inspired, tested, and published to
allow navigation of the mendeleevian chart describing the common
characteristics of the elements. We do not base our medicine on these
characteristics-- but on the alchemical, or human responses to potentized
versions of them. Not surprisingly, these tend to align and group similarly
as the elements on the chart.

Scholten's model assumes that "creation" is not an accident. So it assumes
what many truly scientific people eventually realize--that there is a
confluence between design and evolution; that true science is not limited to
modelling the material, but can investigate consciousness and the immaterial
as well.

Scholten then tested the hypothesis in clinical practice and has had lots of
success in treating cases with remedies elucidated on the basis of clinical
experience (proving by similarity) and the "essence" pictures that come out
of his periodic chart alchemical schema. The mm has been expanded by
hundreds of rx in this way--in a way that makes them employable where in the
past, the remedies were totally inaccessible and not in the pharmacies.

Others have applied models of the periodic chart alchemy, viz:

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RAJAN SANKARAN on Columns (stage) (this is just a snippet):
Stage 1
INITIATIVE
IMPULSIVE, INSTINCTIVE, SPONTANEOUS
ONE, SIMPLE
LONELY, ALONE
STUBBORN, SINGLE MINDED
RASH
NAIVE, IMMATURE
DESTRUCTION, ONE SIDED
UNPREPARED, ILL CONSIDERED
NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY
QUITTING
Stage 10
SUMMIT
ULTIMATE
CENTRE
SUCCESS
NOBLE
STABLE
SHINING, GLITTERING
OBVIOUS
INDEPENDENT
RIGIDITY, HAUGHTY
SELF ASSURED
Stage 11
HOLDING ON
PRESERVING
MAINTAINING
SUPPLY RESERVES
PROTECTING
POSSESSIONS
WEALTH
PRIVILEGED
ENJOYMENT
SPREADING
SHARING

Stage 12
OVERSHOOTING THE MARK
EXAGGERATING
OVER REACTING
OVERDOING
REPEATING
POLLUTION
DECAY
DIVIDED
ENEMIES

Stage 14
EMPTY
WEAK
ELIMINATING
DIVERTING
PUSHING ASIDE
IRRESPONSIBLE
INDIFFERENT
FORMAL
DISTANT
COVERING UP
MASK

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ALIZE TIMMERMAN
Alize extends her belief that the upper periodic chart remedies are those
most needed in daily practice because these remedies show the greatest
tendencies to be weak, unstable, impulsive, and irresolute. These tendencies
are most seen in children and our most chronically ill patients.

Carbon, according to Alize, is the main element in compound remedies or
salts useful for children and young people, i.e., Magnesium carbonicum and
Baryta carbonicum. Utilising Carbon, bones are structure, and a human needs
to develop structure, physical and emotional, as a child, to grow beyond
being unformed or immature. For instance, an infant is totally open both
emotionally and physically. Take, for example, the infant's fontanels; until
these bones develop and complete the encircling of brain mass, the child's
central nervous system can be considered to be 'at one' with its
surroundings. It is free to experience events inter-dimensionally, though
with only limited instinctual or emotional responses. Carbon remedies help
bring structure to developing bones and emotions in order for the child to
progress and mature.
=================
The pictures of the periodic chart rx previously unknown continue to be
fleshed out by published cured cases, repertory inclusion (provisionally or
in a separate book, as they are completely clinical, and without proving by
dissimilarity); and materia medica books, articles and seminars (best
ones--Scholten and dutch counterparts, Sankaran, Chaabra). Many high
quality provings of previously unproven elements and compounds continue to
be undertaken by Jeremy Sherr and many others.

When more provings by dissimilarity occur (a slow process) then more will be
known about these remedies. In the meantime, we have a way of using them.
The method of Scholten (and Sankaran) use association and inference to
well-known rx in groupings within the periodic chart. Both Scholten and
Sankaran have (similar) schemas of characteristics for each column and row.
These methods depend heavily on what we refer to as "essence" prescribing.
Sankaran was influenced by Sehgal and others and has developed this further
and discovered and developed a type of semiology by which one can
systematically find a central theme in a psychosomatic case as a whole. He
calls the parameters of this central theme the "Vital Sensation or Vital
Gesture". Related to this is the "Core Delusion" associated with ideogenic
disease. Such essence methods as used by Scholten, Sankaran, and others
before are part of the family of the many methods of determining similitude
with a totality of either a pathological disease subtotality or an overall
psychosomatic case.
Best,
A

[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

I agree that Joy's input would be invaluable, and fun. It's interesting to do less well known remedies, but we're likely to get more cases contributed if we take slightly larger ones.

I suspect the more focused we keep it the more likely we are not to feel overwhelmed or too scattered -- = more results????

Annemieke, are you ready/ willing to accept volunteers? Do you want to make a definite suggestion where we will start?

Rosemary

[tjelie]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:

want to make a definite suggestion where we will start?
Hi Rosemary,

I would be very happy to accept volunteers.
Maybe it would be a good idea (as Andy suggested I think) to stick to
one stage at the time.
So we could take stage 8 as it also contains Plutonium.
Then there is Ferrum wich had a proving, along with all it compounds.
Then in the Silverserie there is Ruthenium, but as far as I know it
had no proving.
Then in de Goldserie Osmium, had a proving I think, and then Samarium
in the Lanthanideserie that had no official proving that I know of.

Waiting to hear from you,
Annemieke

[AH]

on 4/18/05 7:37 PM, Rosemary C Hyde PhD at rosemarychyde@mindspring.com
wrote:

**** Agree, rosemary--we are best doing each element-compound set one at a
time. To keep the groupings benefit of the periodic chart, (perhaps) the
sequence of progression could be by column--starting with column 1 and
Hydrogen.. If we did it this way, the first 7 we would do (one by one with
each element and compounds) would be thematically connected viz:

COLUMN 1
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Hydrogen
hydrog., hydrog-o.

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Lithium
lith., lith-be., lith-br., lith-c., lith-chl., lith-f., lith-l., lith-m.,
lith-p., lith-s., lith-sal.,

=======
Sodium
nat., nat-a-g., nat-acet., nat-ae-s., nat-ar., nat-bic., nat-br., nat-c.,
nat-cac., nat-caust., nat-ch., nat-cin., nat-eth., nat-f., nat-fh., nat-h.,
nat-hchls., nat-hp., nat-hsulo., nat-i., nat-l., nat-m., nat-mar.,
nat-moly., nat-n., nat-ns., nat-o., nat-ox., nat-p., nat-pyru., nat-s.,
nat-s-c., nat-sal., nat-sel., nat-sil., nat-sil-f., nat-suc., nat-sula.,
nat-sulo., nat-taur., nat-tel., nat-uric.

========
Potassium
kali., kali-acet., kali-ar., kali-aspar., kali-bi., kali-bit., kali-br.,
kali-c., kali-caust., kali-chl., kali-chls., kali-chr., kali-cit., kali-cy.,
kali-f., kali-fcy., kali-hp., kali-i., kali-l., kali-m., kali-ma., kali-n.,
kali-o., kali-ox., kali-p., kali-pic., kali-picn., kali-s., kali-s-chr.,
kali-sal., kali-sil., kali-sula., kali-t., kali-tel., kali-x.,

=========
Rubidium
rubi., rubi-m.,

========
Cesium
caes., ces-br. caes-m.

=========
Francium
The compounds in this column that exist but the ionic component in col 1 is
not listed first in the name are:
Minerals; Column 1 (118) : alumn., am-caust., am-van., ant-t., ars-h.,
aur-m-k., aur-m-n., bism-k-i., bor., , calc-caust., calc-l-n., carbn-h.,
carl., caust., , gast., , lap-gr-m., merc-k-i., , phos-h., plat-m-n.,
sal-moj., sals-k., sanic., sul-h.

These could be done according to the first ion.
((( I am not attached to this idea, just another suggestion... think it
would be better to do the chart by grouping rather just in linear fashion.

Best,
Andy

[tjelie]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, AH wrote:

To keep the groupings benefit of the periodic chart, (perhaps) the
and
one with
Hi Andy,
That would be fine by me, and probaly a more proper way to do it
But maybe we could just stick to those who had a proving, then we can
discuss them all on the list.
If there are elements that had no proving, maybe we could at the end
add some info to get the picture compleet.

Annemieke

[AH]

To keep the groupings benefit of the periodic chart, (perhaps) the
and
one with
Hi Andy,
That would be fine by me, and probaly a more proper way to do it
But maybe we could just stick to those who had a proving, then we can
discuss them all on the list.
If there are elements that had no proving, maybe we could at the end
add some info to get the picture compleet.

Annemieke
(((((( Sounds good, Annemieke.

How do you want to do it?

Shall we come up with a format for text submissions of info? and
comparative element charts?

Will people send info to one person to compile, or submit summaries of
various aspects on the list publically, or how will it proceed?
BTW