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As far as I can see this only talks of fda regulation of homeopathic medicines. Nowhere do I see mention of their approval for it's use in Ebola.

I do not know of any persons successfully treated for any hemorrhagic fever using Crotalus , so we cannot talk of cure. Furthermore as any homeopath should know the success of one patient only speaks of that patient. The word cure only becomes meaningful if Crotalus is the genus epidemicus.

Irresponsible talk of a homeopathic cure can only be detrimental to homoeopathy at this stage.

Regards,
Paul

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It's all a matter of opinion on how you reach the word approve, isn't it Paul? And I have a right to my opinion, don't I? I'd wager this is the first time you or most have ever looked at the US statute governing the use of homeopathic drugs, or at least openly discussed it.
The Act says homeopathic remedies are DRUGS "regulated and protected under Sections 201(g) and 201(j) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act of 1938."
PROTECTED!
Look up The meaning of APPROVE: "to sanction; consent to; confirm." (Webster) in a word to me to "regulate and sanction" is among other things . . to APPROVE.
MY USE OF THESE MATERIALS IS SANCTIONED BY LAW. I have a right to use them without being harassed civilly or criminally. As a US citizen I am APPROVED to use them.
Now, in regards to Crot-h being used to cure Ebola: To guide me in the use of these materials, the FDA refers me to "A Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D., (3 volumes; Health Science Press) and A Clinical Repertory to the Dictionary of Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D. (Health Science Press). These references must be reviewed in conjunction with other available literature on these drug substances." http://www.fda.gov/iceci/compliancemanu ... 074360.htm
Ebola is a hemorrhagic fever. For hemorrhagic fevers my combined repertories indicate six (6) remedies, value noted in parentheseses:
Fever, continued fever, hemorrhagic [6 materia]
(3) Crot-h. (3) Phos. (2) Lach. (2) Mill. (2) Sul-ac. (1) Carb-v
As instructed by the FDA, I go to Clarke and look up Crot-h
Clarke "it corresponds to the hæmorrhagic diathesis; to diseases caused by previous low states of system, by zymotic or septic poisoning" such as yellow fever.
"Crotal. is preferable in fluid hæmorrhages ... (Hering)"
"Hæmorrhages from all the orifices and even pores of the skin"
"Crotal. is preferable in fluid hæmorrhages, yellow skin (hence in yellow fever with black vomit), epistaxis of diphtheria. Naja has more nervous phenomena. Lach. has skin cold-clammy rather than cold and dry; hæmorrhage, with charred-straw sediment; and more markedly ailments of the left side. Elaps. is preferable in otorrhœa and in affections of the right lung. The cobra poison (Naja) coagulates blood into long strings. Crotalus poison is acid; the Viper neutral. The Rotton-snake ["Birri"] causes more sloughing than any other" (Hering).
"Yellow fever, hæmorrhagic, oozing of blood from every pore, vomiting and purging bloody and bilious; fainting."
Clarke on China Officinalis, quinine, hence aspirin, the conjclusion beinghtat Ebika us aggravated by the iatrogenesis of too much aspirin and perhaps some other remedy such as garcinia kola.

Clarke says quinine, hence aspirin is "more deadly than the deadliest West African fevers . ."

'As with almost every other good thing that comes into its hands, allopathy has contrived to do an infinity of harm with quinine to make up for the good. Some forms of intermittent fever it will cure, if too much of it is not given; others it will suppress or change from intermittent to continuous. The result of suppression is thus sketched by Hahnemann's master-hand: "True, he [the patient] can no longer complain that the paroxysms of his original disease occurs any more on regular days and at regular hours; but behold his livid earthy complexion, his bloated countenance, his languishing looks! Behold how difficult it is for him to breathe, see his hard and distended abdomen, the swelling of the hypochondria; see how his stomach is oppressed and pained by everything he eats, how his appetite is diminished, how his taste is altered, how loose his bowels are, and how unnatural and contrary to what they should be; how his sleep is restless, un-refreshing, and full of dreams. Behold him weak, out of humour and prostrated, his sensibility morbidly excited, his intellectual faculties weakened; how much more does he suffer than when he was a prey to his fever!" (M. M. P.) The number of patients who have been consigned to an early grave by quinine probably falls short only of the number that mercury can claim. When first introduced it was (as chloral and hundreds of other poisons have been since) declared on the highest authority to be incapable of harm "in whatever dose it may be taken." It is only at the end of the nineteenth century that some allopathists are discovering that it is more deadly than the deadliest West African fevers. Every homœopath knows from experience how true is Hahnemann's picture of quinine effects from the victims of it he has been called upon to treat.'

So now who's being irresponsible?
I say its time we get up on our hind legs . . there are isotopic cures for Ebola and a host of other ills, but were not prosecuting them WHEN HOMEOPATHY IS LEGALLY APPROVED!
John Benneth
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Hello John,
Approve means exactly as you say: The drug can be used, under the guidelines for use (and manufacture) of the FDA as a homeopathic drug. But that does not link with the clinical application. That application is based on the homeopathic prescribing. Nowhere does the FDA say “it is a cure for Ebola”.
Now as far as your repertorization, materia medica info etc. goes, you may decide to use it for Ebola. That still does not mean that it has FDA approval “as a cure for Ebola”. It only means you are using an FDA regulated drug to treat Ebola. And until you have a successful case at least, the choice of Crot. for Ebola is based on theory.
Have you treated or do you know of any patients treated for Ebola using Crot.? We have records for the use of Camphor in cholera etc. but I do not know of cases for Ebola.
Now if heaven forbid I am in the situation of having to treat Ebola, I would certainly keep Crot. in mind, along with several other remedies, but until I have success, I could not claim a cure. As for your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it. But it is your opinion, not the FDA opinion that Crot. is a cure. That’s where it gets irresponsible, because the last thing we need is a knee-jerk reaction from FDA to clamp down on homeopathy for using the FDA name to promote an untested treatment. And it remains untested until someone produces the cured case/s.
Maybe I am not familiar with FDA regulations, but as a pharmacist I know the difference between regulation in an act (as we have in South Africa – act 101 of 1965) versus the registration of a product for the treatment of a clinical condition. Those are two separate matters.
Whether a homeopath will ever be in a position to treat Ebola, I don’t know. Do I believe homeopathy is capable? Yes – I do. But it will require all the skill and experience possible to choose the right remedy for each patient, and if a genus epidemicus reveals itself – great. If it happens to be Crot. then perhaps one day it can be registered as a cure for Ebola.
Regards,
Paul
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It's all a matter of opinion on how you reach the word approve, isn't it Paul? And I have a right to my opinion, don't I? I'd wager this is the first time you or most have ever looked at the US statute governing the use of homeopathic drugs, or at least openly discussed it.
The Act says homeopathic remedies are DRUGS "regulated and protected under Sections 201(g) and 201(j) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act of 1938."
PROTECTED!
Look up The meaning of APPROVE: "to sanction; consent to; confirm." (Webster) in a word to me to "regulate and sanction" is among other things . . to APPROVE.
MY USE OF THESE MATERIALS IS SANCTIONED BY LAW. I have a right to use them without being harassed civilly or criminally. As a US citizen I am APPROVED to use them.
Now, in regards to Crot-h being used to cure Ebola: To guide me in the use of these materials, the FDA refers me to "A Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D., (3 volumes; Health Science Press) and A Clinical Repertory to the Dictionary of Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D. (Health Science Press). These references must be reviewed in conjunction with other available literature on these drug substances." http://www.fda.gov/iceci/compliancemanu ... 074360.htm
Ebola is a hemorrhagic fever. For hemorrhagic fevers my combined repertories indicate six (6) remedies, value noted in parentheseses:
Fever, continued fever, hemorrhagic [6 materia]
(3) Crot-h. (3) Phos. (2) Lach. (2) Mill. (2) Sul-ac. (1) Carb-v
As instructed by the FDA, I go to Clarke and look up Crot-h
Clarke "it corresponds to the hæmorrhagic diathesis; to diseases caused by previous low states of system, by zymotic or septic poisoning" such as yellow fever.
"Crotal. is preferable in fluid hæmorrhages ... (Hering)"
"Hæmorrhages from all the orifices and even pores of the skin"
"Crotal. is preferable in fluid hæmorrhages, yellow skin (hence in yellow fever with black vomit), epistaxis of diphtheria. Naja has more nervous phenomena. Lach. has skin cold-clammy rather than cold and dry; hæmorrhage, with charred-straw sediment; and more markedly ailments of the left side. Elaps. is preferable in otorrhœa and in affections of the right lung. The cobra poison (Naja) coagulates blood into long strings. Crotalus poison is acid; the Viper neutral. The Rotton-snake ["Birri"] causes more sloughing than any other" (Hering).
"Yellow fever, hæmorrhagic, oozing of blood from every pore, vomiting and purging bloody and bilious; fainting."
Clarke on China Officinalis, quinine, hence aspirin, the conjclusion beinghtat Ebika us aggravated by the iatrogenesis of too much aspirin and perhaps some other remedy such as garcinia kola.

Clarke says quinine, hence aspirin is "more deadly than the deadliest West African fevers . ."

'As with almost every other good thing that comes into its hands, allopathy has contrived to do an infinity of harm with quinine to make up for the good. Some forms of intermittent fever it will cure, if too much of it is not given; others it will suppress or change from intermittent to continuous. The result of suppression is thus sketched by Hahnemann's master-hand: "True, he [the patient] can no longer complain that the paroxysms of his original disease occurs any more on regular days and at regular hours; but behold his livid earthy complexion, his bloated countenance, his languishing looks! Behold how difficult it is for him to breathe, see his hard and distended abdomen, the swelling of the hypochondria; see how his stomach is oppressed and pained by everything he eats, how his appetite is diminished, how his taste is altered, how loose his bowels are, and how unnatural and contrary to what they should be; how his sleep is restless, un-refreshing, and full of dreams. Behold him weak, out of humour and prostrated, his sensibility morbidly excited, his intellectual faculties weakened; how much more does he suffer than when he was a prey to his fever!" (M. M. P.) The number of patients who have been consigned to an early grave by quinine probably falls short only of the number that mercury can claim. When first introduced it was (as chloral and hundreds of other poisons have been since) declared on the highest authority to be incapable of harm "in whatever dose it may be taken." It is only at the end of the nineteenth century that some allopathists are discovering that it is more deadly than the deadliest West African fevers. Every homœopath knows from experience how true is Hahnemann's picture of quinine effects from the victims of it he has been called upon to treat.'

So now who's being irresponsible?
I say its time we get up on our hind legs . . there are isotopic cures for Ebola and a host of other ills, but were not prosecuting them WHEN HOMEOPATHY IS LEGALLY APPROVED!
John Benneth
In a message dated 9/2/2014 12:15:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:

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Paul,
Well, I've laid out my case on this anf now I think it's time that we stop equivocating and hiding from people and agencies we think may disapprove.
The FDA describes homeopathic remedies as legal drugs for "cure".
"

"Section 201(g)(1) of the Act defines the term "drug" to mean articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopeia (USP), the official Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States (HPUS), or official National Formulary (NF) or any supplement to them; and articles intended for use in the diagnosis, CURE [emphasis mine], mitigation, treatment, or the prevention of disease in man or other animals; articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals; and articles intended for use as a component of any articles specified in the above."
Ebola is simply another potential viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF). It is not always fatal. Half of he cases have repredly been cured. In the continued stage it develops into the hemorrhagic diathesis IF (I believe) it is goaded into it by the use of products that cause blood thinning, such as aspirin and quinine, which btw was the First Proving by Hahnemann.
Crot-h was proved by Hering. The use of Crot-h in VHF is not mere theory. It was detailed by Hayward and others. You can read about it bedginning on p. 362 in Materia Medica Physiological and Applied at http://books.google.com/books?id=ijwAAA ... er&f=false
Signs and symptoms of VHFs include (by definition) fever and increased susceptibility to bleeding (bleeding diathesis ). Manifestations of VHF often also include flushing of the face and chest, small red or purple spots (petechiae ), frank bleeding, swelling caused by edema , low blood pressure (hypotension ), and shock . Malaise , muscle pain (myalgia ), headache, vomiting, and diarrhea occur frequently. The severity of symptoms varies with the type of virus, with the “VHF syndrome” (capillary leak, bleeding diathesis, and circulatory compromise leading to shock) appearing in a majority of patients with filovirus hemorhhagic fevers (e.g., Ebola and Marburg), CCHF, and the South American hemorrhagic fevers, but in a small minority of patients with dengue, RVF, and Lassa fever.
As you must know, homoeopaths don't need to know the name of the disease to cure it homoeopathically. Just show us the symptoms and we'll give you the remedy. It is the diathesis of allopathy to have to know what the RNA of he virus is.
We have one case of hemorrhagic fever diagnosed as Ebola rumored to have been cured in London 10 years ago, where the bleeding visibly stopped instantly with application of the remedy, and I believe Chappell has handled a few cases, but from what I know of homeopathy and the "bleeding diathesis" I'd bet my life on homeopathy's ability to not only cure Ebola but inoculate against. If I could I'd go to Liberia and set up the dispensaries with little fear of becoming infected.
Oh and another thing. I bet when you look at the serum they used to "cure" the two Americans of Ebola, if that's what it did, you'll find that the basic mechanism of it is, as crude and overdramatized as it may be,, homeopathic, a blood sarcode, because the only effective "vaccine" has always essentially been HOMEOPATHIC.
Prove me wrong . . or PROVE ME RIGHT!.
best,
John Benneth
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SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

Hello John,
I hear what you are saying and I am in total agreement that homeopathy can and should be part of treatment of Ebola. My only disagreement is that the FDA have only approved it as a homeopathic drug but have not (yet) validated it as an Ebola cure.

And as a point to note, half the Ebola victims were not cured. They recovered. Any treatment would have been supportive. As in diseases such as typhoid fever, you either make it or you die. So these patients are survivors.

Regards,
Paul
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John you are misquoting by omission.

The link to the rules is here:
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/ComplianceManu ... 074360.htm

An important part is this:
"Today the homeopathic drug market has grown to become a multimillion dollar industry in the United States, with a significant increase shown in the importation and domestic marketing of homeopathic drug products. Those products that are offered for treatment of serious disease conditions, must be dispensed under the care of a licensed practitioner. Other products, offered for use in self-limiting conditions recognizable by consumers, may be marketed OTC.
This document provides guidance on the regulation of OTC and prescription homeopathic drugs and delineates those conditions under which homeopathic drugs may ordinarily be marketed in the U.S. Agency compliance personnel should particularly consider whether a homeopathic drug is being offered for use (or promoted) significantly beyond recognized or customary practice of homeopathy. If so, priorities and procedures concerning the agency's policy on health fraud would apply."
AND
The following terms are used in this document and are defined as follows:
# 7
Health Fraud is:
The deceptive promotion, advertisement, distribution or sale of articles, intended for human or animal use, that are represented as being effective to diagnose, prevent, cure, treat, or mitigate disease (or other conditions), or provide a beneficial effect on health, but which have not been scientifically proven safe and effective for such purposes. Such practices may be deliberate, or done without adequate knowledge or understanding of the article.*

Basically, as a homeopath or a licenced medical doctor, you can use a remedy only for its on-label self-limiting disease (viz. one that will heal without a remedy). Other use is called Health Fraud.
Individual state pharmacy and medical practice laws also strictly prohibit "experimental" uses of any drug. Those require a good deal of red tape to be approved, even for experimental use. Off label prescription, in USA, as would be the case to "cure Ebola" is health fraud as it is not proved effective in Ebola.
Of course the law in another country with Ebola applies there, eg Liberia, and may be different.
BUt if the licenced doctor usin git REESIDES in a specific state he has to preactice by the laws of that state even if he isin liberia.

(That is why I was accused of practicing medicine in WA as a result of writing an email to someone in CA).

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I'm sure others will say or have said this elsewhere, but -- do NOT go feeling complacent because of this!!!!
Sure it says they are approved "drugs" -- and in doing that, they have placed the remedies squarely into their territory, to be regulated. That's part of the reason that homeopaths are occasionally busted for (speaking carelessly, and thereby giving the misunderstanding that they are) using the remedies to (gag) "treat disease".

In a certain sense our remedies are "drugs": they are powerful healing tools.
But in other *important* senses they are not "drugs": they are energetic in effect, and not chemically based.

But all that is terminology. The FDA has declared our remedies to be "drugs", and that has both benefits and drawbacks. It's important to be aware of both edges of that sword!

I believe that the biggest threat to healthy people in the 1st world of Ebola is NOT the possibility of catching a dreadful disease. It is the breakdown of services and the panic. I have lost no sleep whatsoever about catching Ebola, but I am concerned about the possibility of a large and very scary epidemic overwhelming our system.

It is sort of like the panic that we see, only worse, when we hear about some serial killer. If sheeple had any sense, they would worry more about their chronically eating of very unbalanced diets, but instead they worry about an extremely unlikely possibility of meeting a Ted Bundy monster. But I am sure that the fear is worse over Ebola, and rightly so. The chance of catching Ebola, even in the 1st world, is much greater than meeting a Ted Bundy, and the suffering is probably just as great and the end result is the same.

So, even if I am ultra healthy, my neighbors are not, and this cannot be ignored.

Roger Bird

Dear All,

I see that we have gotten caught up into a battle about homeopathic philosophy, which seems to happen a lot with homeopaths. Meanwhile we have gotten off of the most important subject of the decade (perhaps equal in importance to ISIS, but this is not a political or military forum) if not the century.

I strongly doubt that the medical authorities are going to try homeopathy. In fact, I see no reason other than their stubbornness why they could not try homeopathy along side their allopathic methods. But the so-called medical authorities have always been about ego, materialistic rationalism, and money, so I just don't think that they are going to try anything short of their drugs. They rather be right than save lives.

What say you?
Roger Bird