edited
This is wooly thinking and anti hahnemannian surely - if we go for
specifics for every named disease then we can throw out a large
percentage of our materia medica
and to try and answer your previous post below - if it is or psoric
origin then nothing changes that other than the influence of another
miasm and many people are born with mixed miasm. But does it matter,
you go by the sx. It is sometimes very useful if a very young child has
a serious diseased state that you 'believe' to be inherited but then if
that is the case you would probably be wanting to take the cases of the
parents as well, especially if the child is very young and this might
help define the active miasm/s. Whatever the situation you try to
prescribe on the totality of the sx not on what might be a guess as to
the active miasm and I wouldn't be using rubrics such as 'Generals,
Syphilitic' at all - aim for the simillimum and keep in mind that
nosodes may or may not come into play. Specifics are not the same as
simillimums.
I think we have to be careful how we forewarn our clients
unnecessarily. Many instances we do not know what will happen for sure,
even if we have a reasonable idea, return of old sx etc. I think it is
best to educate clients more generally without frightening them. Best
wishes, Joy
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David Little
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Re: PSORA
At 11:55 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
Dear Soroush,
One may not fully recover from a physical or mental trauma, a acute
disorder, an acute miasma, etc. These are all NWS symptoms. A chronic
miasm, however, is lifelong right from the start. That is its nature.
First of Hahnemann had access to information collect from microscopic
studies. They were already using microscopes for a long time by 1828. He
made this clear when he used the term miasmatic "animalcule". This term,
animalcule. was already in use for the microorganisms observed by
microscope. Second of all, Hahnemann is the Founder of modern epidemiology
in that his published the first comprehensive information about infection,
constitutional conditioning, environmental conditioning, predisposition,
susceptibility, the moment of infection, the prodromal period, primary
stages, latent stages and secondary states. He also classified the
differences in their signs and symptoms as well as the affects of their
suppression and maltreatment. Not only this but He and the first generation
developed a materia medica that can provide plant, mineral and animal
remedies as well as nosodes that have the potential to prevent, abort and
treat acute, half-acute and chronic miasms. It is a shame that most modern
homoeopaths don't really understand this.
Although modern texts are extensive on cellular pathology they are very
weak signs and symptoms such as mental symptoms, general symptoms,
particular symptoms, sensations, modalities, times and concomitants, etc.
Hahnemann writings present an understanding of the processes of infection
that present a more integrated understanding of infectious states and their
potential for creating auto-immune diseases and immuno-deficiency disorders
than modern medicine. All of this information has been integrated into the
vitalist paradigm in such a manner that it offers a complete constitutional
view of the acquired and inherited effects of unresolved infections. As
Homoeopaths we should understand this and give credit where credit is due.
Thirdly, as to the VD. Hahnemann was correct to point out that all not
chronic venereal diseases were caused by syphilis as J. Hunter proposed.
Nevertheless, his review of sycosis and syphilis was only a beginning. It
is quite clear that Hahnemann included the symptoms of gonorrhea and
various condylomata under the title sycosis. The Paris casebooks show him
treating classic gonorrhea with Thuja and other anti-sycotic remedies
without any HPV. It is also quite clear that not all the skin lesions he
describes in his writings are caused by HPV. The classic figwarts he
describes are actually much more similar to condlyomata lata, which are
caused by syphilis. It is clear that some of his descriptions were based on
mixed cases of sycosis and syphilis rather then pure cases. After all, this
is only the beginning.
It has taken the following generations to clearly separate and expand
the symptoms of the two venereal diseases. It is they who have clearly
separated the condlyomata acuminata of sycosis and the condlyomata lata of
syphilis. It is my opinion, that the full sycosis syndrome includes a
spectrum of infective agents that all share a similar susceptibility and
produce a homogeneous set of symptoms when suppressed. Those who have had
gonorrhea seemed to become very susceptibly to HPV, etc. I have recorded
many cases in which those with suppressed gonorrhea later developed HPV
warts as well as many other moles and flecks. So if one looks at the over
all hypothesis and follows it clinically they will see many confirmations
of the basic hypothesis but we need to bring this material all up to date.
I think Hahnemann description of psora is VERY precise and quite
clear. First of all, Hahnemann did not invent the term psora. It was used
by the ancient Greeks to describe a number of skin diseases and their
concomitants. What Hahnemann was doing with this term was giving it a more
specific definition and bring it up to date fro his times. Hahnemann
clearly points out that psora is an infectious disease of the skin that is
pasted by the primary lesions of those suffering from the disease. All of
the disease he describes as carries of primary psora are caused by
microorganisms. In his writing he mentions scabies, herpes, tetter,
ringworm, erysipelas, leprosy, boils, pimples, all as primary psora capable
of transmitting the infectious disease. Therefore, he clearly points out
that mites, fungi, viruses, and bacteria carry primary psora. Hering
remarked that one could make up sub-species of psora, such a psora 1
(mites), 2 (tinea), 3 (viral) 4 (bacteria). I have done this in my work.
This makes it clear that latent and secondary psora is caused
unresolved and suppressed soft tissue infections caused by microorganisms.
These diseases share the same pathway of disease and produce a homogenous
set of signs and symptoms when suppressed. The fact that the suppression
primary infections as well as their secondary lesions causes constitutional
diseases is a great gift to the healing arts just by itself! The allopathic
school still does NOT understand this. Please, dear students and colleague,
don't underestimate the contributions of Samuel Hahnemann in these regards.
I know there are some who think that the psora study is useful but I think
they are missing many very important points.
Hahnemann also made it clear that psora may be acquired by infection
or heredity. In the case of hereditary psora, however, the diseases is not
being transmitted by the primary eruptions. The affects of the disease are
being passed through the generations in a dynamic form as predispositions
and symptoms. One of the most common inherited affects of psora is, of
course, skin problems and susceptibility to skin infections as wells as
symptoms of malnutrition based on mal-assimilation and host of other
difficulties that correspond to the main characteristics of the miasma.
Most cases of inherited psora demonstrate skin symptoms at some point as a
principle concomitant to internal complaints.
Hahnemann collected the symptoms of psora based on a group case from
1817 to 1827. On the basis of the collective symptoms he came up with a
group of remedies that he considered to be the most similar to the group
symptoms of psora. The anti-psoric remedies are chronic genus epidemicus
remedies that carry the characteristics of found in the group study. This
is clearly explained in the Organon. He introduced a great number of
mineral remedies in this collection as he felt the minerals were inherently
powerful enough to be anti-psoric remedies. To be a full anti-psoric remedy
the medicine must have the power to remove the characteristics of all three
stages of psora experienced in a majority of patients in the group study. A
remedy that only covers a smaller part of the symptoms in one or two
patients is not a true anti-psoric remedy. That is the difference between a
apsoric remedy and an anti-psoric remedy.
I do not just brand all these symptoms as psora and leave it at that.
For me to decide that a case is based on inherited psora I must see clear
signs and symptom that are truly characteristic of psora in the study.
There could be other reasons way the patient did not recover. Maybe that
did not get sufficient food or water; maybe they suffered a serious trauma;
maybe they were under severe psychological stress. As far as the patient
goes it is usually relatively easy to find out if they were never well
after a serious acute miasms unless it happened when they were very young
and they don't remember. Even here, it is often possible to get such
information from family members. Sometimes, one can even uncover
information from parents and grandparents about other family members in the
case history. I have confirmed many interesting conditions over the years
through just such investigations. I suspected certain states by the
symptoms and confirmed them in the patients and ancestors.
One must understand the types of symptoms that acute miasms leave
behind. The sequels of diphtheria are different than the sequels of
typhoid, etc. Sometimes, you see intermittent fevers in children of parents
or grandparents that suffered from malaria. These patients do not have the
malaria parasite, diphtheria or typhoid bacteria but they have syndromes
that remind one of these diseases. These are not the same as psora, etc.
One must study the nature of disease very closely to understand such things.
Is that what this is all about? First, some of what was written is
questionable. Second, I have explained my views on the clinical many times
on this list. This last time was very recently. I am not going to get drawn
into this time and time again for no good reason. All I am going to say is
that the Organon is based on knowledge of disease, knowledge of medicines,
and knowledge on how to apply similar remedies to similar disease states.
The more knowledge one has on the nature of the disease and its time and
progression the better one is able to prescribe similar remedies and manage
a case over the long term. Understanding the nature of the disease under
treatment provides one with more understanding about what they are treating
and helps in forming a prognosis and managing a case. A case of "cold" is
quite different than a case of "syphilis" in symptoms, time and
progressions. To ignore such fundamental differences is irresponsible.
Understanding the potential medical powers of remedies provides one
with more understanding of the possible causes, symptoms and circumstances
they may remove. Knowing what has happened in the past and why helps one to
know what to expect according to the direction of cure (Hering's law's).
This provides one with more understanding of how to judge the healing
process. In other words, the more understanding of homoeopathic philosophy
and pathology on has the more prepared one is for clinical realties and
makes one a better healing artist.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Dear Soroush,
One may not fully recover from a physical or mental trauma, a acute
disorder, an acute miasma, etc. These are all NWS symptoms. A chronic
miasm, however, is lifelong right from the start. That is its nature.
First of Hahnemann had access to information collect from microscopic
studies. They were already using microscopes for a long time by 1828. He
made this clear when he used the term miasmatic "animalcule". This term,
animalcule. was already in use for the microorganisms observed by
microscope. Second of all, Hahnemann is the Founder of modern epidemiology
in that his published the first comprehensive information about infection,
constitutional conditioning, environmental conditioning, predisposition,
susceptibility, the moment of infection, the prodromal period, primary
stages, latent stages and secondary states. He also classified the
differences in their signs and symptoms as well as the affects of their
suppression and maltreatment. Not only this but He and the first generation
developed a materia medica that can provide plant, mineral and animal
remedies as well as nosodes that have the potential to prevent, abort and
treat acute, half-acute and chronic miasms. It is a shame that most modern
homoeopaths don't really understand this.
Although modern texts are extensive on cellular pathology they are very
weak signs and symptoms such as mental symptoms, general symptoms,
particular symptoms, sensations, modalities, times and concomitants, etc.
Hahnemann writings present an understanding of the processes of infection
that present a more integrated understanding of infectious states and their
potential for creating auto-immune diseases and immuno-deficiency disorders
than modern medicine. All of this information has been integrated into the
vitalist paradigm in such a manner that it offers a complete constitutional
view of the acquired and inherited effects of unresolved infections. As
Homoeopaths we should understand this and give credit where credit is due.
Thirdly, as to the VD. Hahnemann was correct to point out that all not
chronic venereal diseases were caused by syphilis as J. Hunter proposed.
Nevertheless, his review of sycosis and syphilis was only a beginning. It
is quite clear that Hahnemann included the symptoms of gonorrhea and
various condylomata under the title sycosis. The Paris casebooks show him
treating classic gonorrhea with Thuja and other anti-sycotic remedies
without any HPV. It is also quite clear that not all the skin lesions he
describes in his writings are caused by HPV. The classic figwarts he
describes are actually much more similar to condlyomata lata, which are
caused by syphilis. It is clear that some of his descriptions were based on
mixed cases of sycosis and syphilis rather then pure cases. After all, this
is only the beginning.
It has taken the following generations to clearly separate and expand
the symptoms of the two venereal diseases. It is they who have clearly
separated the condlyomata acuminata of sycosis and the condlyomata lata of
syphilis. It is my opinion, that the full sycosis syndrome includes a
spectrum of infective agents that all share a similar susceptibility and
produce a homogeneous set of symptoms when suppressed. Those who have had
gonorrhea seemed to become very susceptibly to HPV, etc. I have recorded
many cases in which those with suppressed gonorrhea later developed HPV
warts as well as many other moles and flecks. So if one looks at the over
all hypothesis and follows it clinically they will see many confirmations
of the basic hypothesis but we need to bring this material all up to date.
I think Hahnemann description of psora is VERY precise and quite
clear. First of all, Hahnemann did not invent the term psora. It was used
by the ancient Greeks to describe a number of skin diseases and their
concomitants. What Hahnemann was doing with this term was giving it a more
specific definition and bring it up to date fro his times. Hahnemann
clearly points out that psora is an infectious disease of the skin that is
pasted by the primary lesions of those suffering from the disease. All of
the disease he describes as carries of primary psora are caused by
microorganisms. In his writing he mentions scabies, herpes, tetter,
ringworm, erysipelas, leprosy, boils, pimples, all as primary psora capable
of transmitting the infectious disease. Therefore, he clearly points out
that mites, fungi, viruses, and bacteria carry primary psora. Hering
remarked that one could make up sub-species of psora, such a psora 1
(mites), 2 (tinea), 3 (viral) 4 (bacteria). I have done this in my work.
This makes it clear that latent and secondary psora is caused
unresolved and suppressed soft tissue infections caused by microorganisms.
These diseases share the same pathway of disease and produce a homogenous
set of signs and symptoms when suppressed. The fact that the suppression
primary infections as well as their secondary lesions causes constitutional
diseases is a great gift to the healing arts just by itself! The allopathic
school still does NOT understand this. Please, dear students and colleague,
don't underestimate the contributions of Samuel Hahnemann in these regards.
I know there are some who think that the psora study is useful but I think
they are missing many very important points.
Hahnemann also made it clear that psora may be acquired by infection
or heredity. In the case of hereditary psora, however, the diseases is not
being transmitted by the primary eruptions. The affects of the disease are
being passed through the generations in a dynamic form as predispositions
and symptoms. One of the most common inherited affects of psora is, of
course, skin problems and susceptibility to skin infections as wells as
symptoms of malnutrition based on mal-assimilation and host of other
difficulties that correspond to the main characteristics of the miasma.
Most cases of inherited psora demonstrate skin symptoms at some point as a
principle concomitant to internal complaints.
Hahnemann collected the symptoms of psora based on a group case from
1817 to 1827. On the basis of the collective symptoms he came up with a
group of remedies that he considered to be the most similar to the group
symptoms of psora. The anti-psoric remedies are chronic genus epidemicus
remedies that carry the characteristics of found in the group study. This
is clearly explained in the Organon. He introduced a great number of
mineral remedies in this collection as he felt the minerals were inherently
powerful enough to be anti-psoric remedies. To be a full anti-psoric remedy
the medicine must have the power to remove the characteristics of all three
stages of psora experienced in a majority of patients in the group study. A
remedy that only covers a smaller part of the symptoms in one or two
patients is not a true anti-psoric remedy. That is the difference between a
apsoric remedy and an anti-psoric remedy.
I do not just brand all these symptoms as psora and leave it at that.
For me to decide that a case is based on inherited psora I must see clear
signs and symptom that are truly characteristic of psora in the study.
There could be other reasons way the patient did not recover. Maybe that
did not get sufficient food or water; maybe they suffered a serious trauma;
maybe they were under severe psychological stress. As far as the patient
goes it is usually relatively easy to find out if they were never well
after a serious acute miasms unless it happened when they were very young
and they don't remember. Even here, it is often possible to get such
information from family members. Sometimes, one can even uncover
information from parents and grandparents about other family members in the
case history. I have confirmed many interesting conditions over the years
through just such investigations. I suspected certain states by the
symptoms and confirmed them in the patients and ancestors.
One must understand the types of symptoms that acute miasms leave
behind. The sequels of diphtheria are different than the sequels of
typhoid, etc. Sometimes, you see intermittent fevers in children of parents
or grandparents that suffered from malaria. These patients do not have the
malaria parasite, diphtheria or typhoid bacteria but they have syndromes
that remind one of these diseases. These are not the same as psora, etc.
One must study the nature of disease very closely to understand such things.
Is that what this is all about? First, some of what was written is
questionable. Second, I have explained my views on the clinical many times
on this list. This last time was very recently. I am not going to get drawn
into this time and time again for no good reason. All I am going to say is
that the Organon is based on knowledge of disease, knowledge of medicines,
and knowledge on how to apply similar remedies to similar disease states.
The more knowledge one has on the nature of the disease and its time and
progression the better one is able to prescribe similar remedies and manage
a case over the long term. Understanding the nature of the disease under
treatment provides one with more understanding about what they are treating
and helps in forming a prognosis and managing a case. A case of "cold" is
quite different than a case of "syphilis" in symptoms, time and
progressions. To ignore such fundamental differences is irresponsible.
Understanding the potential medical powers of remedies provides one
with more understanding of the possible causes, symptoms and circumstances
they may remove. Knowing what has happened in the past and why helps one to
know what to expect according to the direction of cure (Hering's law's).
This provides one with more understanding of how to judge the healing
process. In other words, the more understanding of homoeopathic philosophy
and pathology on has the more prepared one is for clinical realties and
makes one a better healing artist.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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David Little
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- Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: PSORA
At 12:43 AM 12/29/2005, you wrote:
Dear Joy,
There is only one thing I wish to say. One should not give an
anti-sycotic remedy just because it is in somebody's list and we are
limiting ourselves to those choices. What one should do is *learn the
anti-sycotic symptoms* so one can see the characteristics in the patient as
well as the remedies in the materia medica. In this way, it doesn't matter
if the remedy is old or new or it is in someone's list or not. We can
still understand its medicinal powers if we know what we are looking for!
No one should give a remedy just because the patient is sycotic and the
remedy is anti-sycotic. It is a method of understanding diseases of common
cause and similar symptoms in a homogeneous group and recognizing the
remedial powers found in its group of remedies. It is a method of
understanding the essential nature of the symptoms of miasmic patients and
remedies better.
This provides the healing artist with one more bit of information that
may be important all the over data collected in the totality. It is one
more angle that helps one assess the certain patients that clearly
demonstrate the characteristics associated with well recognized chronic
miasms. It offers a coherent view of the symptoms in certain cases that
can help tie all the loss ends together. I am not one that tries to put
every patient in "miasmic boxes" yet there are certain cases where the
characteristics stand out so clearly that one would have to be blind not to
notice the classic symptoms. It is also very good to understand what miasms
may be in the background just in case the case gets stuck on an obstruction
to the cure caused by a chronic miasm.
Under these conditions patients often start to offer the classic
symptoms of the related miasms and their nosode or other cardinal
anti-miasmic remedies now for this condition. These remedies are known for
symptoms like: "the effects of suppression; when well chosen remedies no
longer work or hold; constant changes in the symptoms; the appearance of
fragmented, partial pictures of a number of constitutional remedies; or one
sided miasmic pathologies or local diseases do not heal even though the
patient got a little better in general. These confused signs are often the
signs of the confused vital force. If the homoeopaths does not understand
this they also become confused at a critical time in the case.These methods
can sometimes be helpful in turning such confusion into understanding and
clearing up some of the "miasmic clouds" that block the progress of chronic
patients.
I am not directing any of this at you (Joy) as I know you understand all
this very well. I am writing this for those that may find it useful and I
am using what you wrote as the vehicle.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Dear Joy,
There is only one thing I wish to say. One should not give an
anti-sycotic remedy just because it is in somebody's list and we are
limiting ourselves to those choices. What one should do is *learn the
anti-sycotic symptoms* so one can see the characteristics in the patient as
well as the remedies in the materia medica. In this way, it doesn't matter
if the remedy is old or new or it is in someone's list or not. We can
still understand its medicinal powers if we know what we are looking for!
No one should give a remedy just because the patient is sycotic and the
remedy is anti-sycotic. It is a method of understanding diseases of common
cause and similar symptoms in a homogeneous group and recognizing the
remedial powers found in its group of remedies. It is a method of
understanding the essential nature of the symptoms of miasmic patients and
remedies better.
This provides the healing artist with one more bit of information that
may be important all the over data collected in the totality. It is one
more angle that helps one assess the certain patients that clearly
demonstrate the characteristics associated with well recognized chronic
miasms. It offers a coherent view of the symptoms in certain cases that
can help tie all the loss ends together. I am not one that tries to put
every patient in "miasmic boxes" yet there are certain cases where the
characteristics stand out so clearly that one would have to be blind not to
notice the classic symptoms. It is also very good to understand what miasms
may be in the background just in case the case gets stuck on an obstruction
to the cure caused by a chronic miasm.
Under these conditions patients often start to offer the classic
symptoms of the related miasms and their nosode or other cardinal
anti-miasmic remedies now for this condition. These remedies are known for
symptoms like: "the effects of suppression; when well chosen remedies no
longer work or hold; constant changes in the symptoms; the appearance of
fragmented, partial pictures of a number of constitutional remedies; or one
sided miasmic pathologies or local diseases do not heal even though the
patient got a little better in general. These confused signs are often the
signs of the confused vital force. If the homoeopaths does not understand
this they also become confused at a critical time in the case.These methods
can sometimes be helpful in turning such confusion into understanding and
clearing up some of the "miasmic clouds" that block the progress of chronic
patients.
I am not directing any of this at you (Joy) as I know you understand all
this very well. I am writing this for those that may find it useful and I
am using what you wrote as the vehicle.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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Piet Guijt
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Re: PSORA
Soroush wrote:
case even though there is absolutely no infection with syphilis anywhere in
the patient's lineage? (The problem is that with mankind's history of wars,
rapes and illicit liaisons we can never be sure that there was NEVER any
syphilitic influence, but pls treat it as a theoretical question.)
Hello Soroush,
The syphilic miasm is a basic constitutional tendency, which forms the
susceptibility to the clinical disease syphilis, as well as other
potentially malignant afflictions. The disease Syphilis is almost
prototypical for the miasm, but is not its only manifestation. The miasm
proceeds the disease rather then being caused by it.
When we prescribe Syphilinum as a persons simillimum, but there are
absolutely no traces of this infection in his personal or family history,
would we regard this as a non-syphilic case, in which as a coincidence
Syphilinum was the simillimum ?
This would contradict the law of similars.
The miasmatic diseases are caused by local micro-organism, but they are not
caused by miasmatic influences that disturb the organism in its totality.
Many times we find patients with miasmatic symptoms, but without the
clinical disease, but we never find the clinical disease without miasmatic
symptoms. So it is more obvious that the miasmatic state comes first and
the infection follows. The local infection is a symptom of the miasm rather
then the cause of the miasm.
Kind regards, Piet
case even though there is absolutely no infection with syphilis anywhere in
the patient's lineage? (The problem is that with mankind's history of wars,
rapes and illicit liaisons we can never be sure that there was NEVER any
syphilitic influence, but pls treat it as a theoretical question.)
Hello Soroush,
The syphilic miasm is a basic constitutional tendency, which forms the
susceptibility to the clinical disease syphilis, as well as other
potentially malignant afflictions. The disease Syphilis is almost
prototypical for the miasm, but is not its only manifestation. The miasm
proceeds the disease rather then being caused by it.
When we prescribe Syphilinum as a persons simillimum, but there are
absolutely no traces of this infection in his personal or family history,
would we regard this as a non-syphilic case, in which as a coincidence
Syphilinum was the simillimum ?
This would contradict the law of similars.
The miasmatic diseases are caused by local micro-organism, but they are not
caused by miasmatic influences that disturb the organism in its totality.
Many times we find patients with miasmatic symptoms, but without the
clinical disease, but we never find the clinical disease without miasmatic
symptoms. So it is more obvious that the miasmatic state comes first and
the infection follows. The local infection is a symptom of the miasm rather
then the cause of the miasm.
Kind regards, Piet
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Soroush Ebrahimi
- Moderator
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Re: PSORA
Dear Piet
I am not sure I agree with you on the sequence of events.
The fact that syphilis (or any other disease) is acquired will require
SUSCEPTIBILITY and EFFECTIVE CONTACT with the micro organisms associated
with it.
What I am driving at is that susceptibility and suffering from a chronic
miasm are two separate things.
I do not think one can safely say that a person who is susceptible to
Syphilis is already syphilitic.
If I have misunderstood you, please explain more.
Rgds
Soroush
I am not sure I agree with you on the sequence of events.
The fact that syphilis (or any other disease) is acquired will require
SUSCEPTIBILITY and EFFECTIVE CONTACT with the micro organisms associated
with it.
What I am driving at is that susceptibility and suffering from a chronic
miasm are two separate things.
I do not think one can safely say that a person who is susceptible to
Syphilis is already syphilitic.
If I have misunderstood you, please explain more.
Rgds
Soroush
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muthu kumar
- Posts: 1208
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Re: PSORA
history,
coincidence
Dear Piet-
How would this contradict the law of similars? Syphilinum can be given
in a non-syphilitic person based on symptoms. You do not mean to say
that Lyssin cannot be prescribed if there has been no history of dog
bite - do you?
coincidence
Dear Piet-
How would this contradict the law of similars? Syphilinum can be given
in a non-syphilitic person based on symptoms. You do not mean to say
that Lyssin cannot be prescribed if there has been no history of dog
bite - do you?
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Piet Guijt
- Posts: 271
- Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2001 10:00 pm
Re: PSORA
Hello Soroush,
I was not my intention to start a discussion on the sequence of events.
Who really cares what comes first, the constitutional miasmatic state or the
infection?
But it must be clear that they both belong to what we define as a miasm.
Syphilis is not synonymous with the disease Syphilis. Syphilis is the whole
energetic disturbance, of which the disease Syphilis is but the material
part.
The whole picture of the corresponding miasmatic state is not limited to the
picture of the infection (nosode).
This picture is much wider and is reflected in a large group of people by
more then one complementary remedies or infections.
So Thuya is no specific remedy for the miasm Sycosis, or Merc for the miasm
Syphilis, like you said. Maybe for a recent Gonorrhoea or Syphilis disease
they are.
I hope you understand this by now and will understand that all those
involved individual constitutions contribute to this larger picture. This is
the reason we need a group of remedies to cover a complete miasm, which has
nothing to do specific germs or CEED's, like you suggested for Psora.
Kind regards, Piet
I was not my intention to start a discussion on the sequence of events.
Who really cares what comes first, the constitutional miasmatic state or the
infection?
But it must be clear that they both belong to what we define as a miasm.
Syphilis is not synonymous with the disease Syphilis. Syphilis is the whole
energetic disturbance, of which the disease Syphilis is but the material
part.
The whole picture of the corresponding miasmatic state is not limited to the
picture of the infection (nosode).
This picture is much wider and is reflected in a large group of people by
more then one complementary remedies or infections.
So Thuya is no specific remedy for the miasm Sycosis, or Merc for the miasm
Syphilis, like you said. Maybe for a recent Gonorrhoea or Syphilis disease
they are.
I hope you understand this by now and will understand that all those
involved individual constitutions contribute to this larger picture. This is
the reason we need a group of remedies to cover a complete miasm, which has
nothing to do specific germs or CEED's, like you suggested for Psora.
Kind regards, Piet
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Piet Guijt
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Re: PSORA
Hello Hahnemannian2002,
Don't you have a real name?
How can we tell the difference? When two persons have a similar set of
symptoms, one with the infection history, the other without. How can we say
this one is Syphilic, but the other one is not?
Remember how Hahnemann discovered Thuya, he thought the patient had
Gonorrhoea, but in reality this person only chewed on a twig of a Thuya!
Kind regards, Piet (for you Kentian2003)
Don't you have a real name?
How can we tell the difference? When two persons have a similar set of
symptoms, one with the infection history, the other without. How can we say
this one is Syphilic, but the other one is not?
Remember how Hahnemann discovered Thuya, he thought the patient had
Gonorrhoea, but in reality this person only chewed on a twig of a Thuya!
Kind regards, Piet (for you Kentian2003)
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Soroush Ebrahimi
- Moderator
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Re: PSORA
Dear Piet
When I mentioned the specifics of Thuja and Merc - I meant for ACTIVE Gon
and Syphilis.
Rgds
Soroush
When I mentioned the specifics of Thuja and Merc - I meant for ACTIVE Gon
and Syphilis.
Rgds
Soroush
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muthu kumar
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Re: PSORA
Piet - Giving Syphilinum to someone without syphilis is ok and not
contradicting law of similars. I thought YOU wrote that it
contradicts the law of similars, If you did not then it is my fault
to have misunderstood your post- sorry
About my name -
I guess this hahnemannian pen name of mine kind of pisses off a lot
of people... why should it do so? Have there not been authors with
pen names... I do not know nor care if your name is really Piet
Guijt - So if you want to go by Kentian or Gentian I do not mind...
This is an internet discussion group and here thoughts and opinions
should count - not names.... if I say my name is Anthony Robins -
would you know it is so or it is not so? How would you verify it?
I have no patients to impress or educate participating here, no
courses to advertise, no conferences to invite people to and no
personal or professional axes to grind -
So
My name is Nobody ;-)or Hahnemannian2002
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Piet Guijt" wrote:
given
set of
can we say
Thuya!
Namens
there are
family
given
say
dog
contradicting law of similars. I thought YOU wrote that it
contradicts the law of similars, If you did not then it is my fault
to have misunderstood your post- sorry
About my name -
I guess this hahnemannian pen name of mine kind of pisses off a lot
of people... why should it do so? Have there not been authors with
pen names... I do not know nor care if your name is really Piet
Guijt - So if you want to go by Kentian or Gentian I do not mind...
This is an internet discussion group and here thoughts and opinions
should count - not names.... if I say my name is Anthony Robins -
would you know it is so or it is not so? How would you verify it?
I have no patients to impress or educate participating here, no
courses to advertise, no conferences to invite people to and no
personal or professional axes to grind -
So
My name is Nobody ;-)or Hahnemannian2002
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Piet Guijt" wrote:
given
set of
can we say
Thuya!
Namens
there are
family
given
say
dog