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Rosemary,

thanks for the response. without rereading the case myself, i am talking in
the dark. but i would think that her concerns about changing
society would be evaluated in terms of how extreme her response it and how
detrimental it was for her life. for example, rx like causticum might come
to mind--depending on the remainder of the case, of course. but as an old
activist, i dont know that i would necessarily think she was delusional for
wanting to see society change bigoted attitudes. actually, that might
reflect a very healthy attitude. now if she thought she could personally
change it all
with the wave of a magic wand--well then, i would have to concur that there
might be a fantastical side to her nature. No?

tanya

Finally, I found the sentence I was responding to -- it was Ellen's summary of the situation. She wrote:

Obcession with sexual identity confusion results in depression because she can not "fix" the world so that her perspective will be appreciated.

That perspective struck me as being a bit unusual, as most people in my experience would not think they could fix the world and hence make others accept their perspective. More individuals, I suspect, would be depressed not because they couldn't change how the world sees them but rather because of not being able to fix themselves. It struck me that the difference could be useful in finding a remedy. It wasn't couched as social activism but as personal disappointment leading to depression.

The question of how to interpret this reminded me of my patient who declared she was evil -- as it turned out because she wasn't perfect. I think both cases provide examples of how we really do need to get the patient's own explanation of the words they use if we are to analyze the case accurately.

Rosemary

*** I'm so very late coming into this discussion, Rosemary, so
please excuse if I offer anything incongruous. You wrote:

in my experience would not think they could fix the world and hence
make others accept their perspective. More individuals, I suspect,
would be depressed not because they couldn't change how the world
sees them but rather because of not being able to fix themselves.<

*** The above comparison fails to identify an important
differentiating feature between two separate schools of thought.
Many people embrace an idealism (inability to support injustice,
indignation) that wishes to educate others or illuminate issues to
the end that society will expand its thinking and become more
accepting. These are the people who are *not* discontent with
themselves, but rather with the attitudes that reject them. The
other school of thought -- the one that wishes to "fix" oneself --
must first involve a sense of being "broken". These are the people
who may feel "abnormal" or are unhappy with themselves and their
differences and who want to conform in order to be accepted
(discontented with oneself, hiding oneself, reproaching oneself,
desiring to please others). Much of this is a matter of self-esteem
and self-image. There is a fundamental difference between the two
groups as far as which is considered in need of repair: Themselves
or society.

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
Ellen's summary of the situation. She wrote:
because she can not "fix" the world so that her perspective will be
appreciated.
in my experience would not think they could fix the world and hence
make others accept their perspective. More individuals, I suspect,
would be depressed not because they couldn't change how the world
sees them but rather because of not being able to fix themselves.
It struck me that the difference could be useful in finding a
remedy. It wasn't couched as social activism but as personal
disappointment leading to depression.
who declared she was evil -- as it turned out because she wasn't
perfect. I think both cases provide examples of how we really do
need to get the patient's own explanation of the words they use if
we are to analyze the case accurately.
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I agree. This wasn't totally clear so far in this case. Rosemary

Are the two categories mutually exclusive in remedies? Often when there is an opposition like this, remedies that are at the extreme edge tend to contain both ends because they overshoot their reaction to their sensitivity.
Ellen

Cerrtainly they are likely to co-exist at different times in a remedy "cycle." They do seem kind of contradictory, although as you've added to your description of the case, clearly the polarity is there in her. Is it a central polarity in the case? If so, it's worth including in the remedy analysis. Rosemary

Reads like an Elaps case ­ worth reading I think. Best, Joy

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on 24/12/04 6:16 pm, Ellen Madono at ellen.madono@verizon.net wrote:
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