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Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:39 pm
by Shannon Nelson
What is glandular fever, and what were the symptoms of your milder case?
How was it treated and all that?
Shannon

on 11/17/04 4:47 AM, Peter Graham at freshash@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:00 pm
by Dale Moss
A dipstick test, primarily for proteinuria and microhematuria. There's an
immunologically-mediated disease called IgA Nephropathy that often presents
in much the way your son appears. For info, see my website,
www.igansupport.org

Not to scare you -- it probably isn't IgAN, but it's still a good idea to
check. Docs rarely do urine tests routinely any more, which is a shame,
because a lot of kidney problems are going missed in the early stages when
it's still possible to minimize their damage.

Peace,
Cinnabar

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:25 pm
by Rochelle
Glandular fever is the common name for mononucleosis

Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:39 pm
by J Lucas
It seems to obvious to ask, but has he had all the usual childhood illnesses
as the incubation period for these can be anything up to a month. So many
ailments comes to mind, it could be something or nothing but 3 weeks is a
long time and it seems he can't shrug this off. Apart from doing a really
thorough case taking and examination yourself I would be inclined to opt for
a blood test.

Best, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 17/11/04 14:34, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Nope, not at all sure! I've just been trying to think what could knock a
previously healthy kid down for three weeks (with no sign of real let-up
yet), and that's a possibility that someone suggested. Do you (or anyone)
have any other thoughts?

Shannon

on 11/16/04 11:36 PM, Rosemary C Hyde PhD at rosemarychyde@mindspring.com
wrote:
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Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:42 pm
by Rosemary C Hyde PhD
Generally with mono you have some swollen glands somewhere along the
line. As a couple of folks have suggested, you could also try a
different remedy based on the symptoms. The symptoms I gleaned from
your description were: weakness, lethargy, dark circles around eyes,
pale face, recuurrent illness, prolonged convalescence. They do make
one wonder whether he might be in a Gelsemium or Phosphoric acid state,
although Tuberculinum comes up also if only the symptoms above are
analyzed. Any other minor changes in his state that you might have
noticed could be the differentiating factor that tells you which
exhausted remedy he needs. I'd definitely focus on the exhaustion as
the major indicator, based on what you've told us.

The disease we call "mono" ("glandular fever" in UK???) is caused by the
Epstein Barr virus (EBV), and one form of it is common in children,
although the symptoms tend to be much milder in kids than in
adolescents. The four major symptoms of infection are: a) extreme
fatigue, b) then after a week or more a high fever (around 103F) peaking
in the afternoon or early evening. c) The throat is very sore. d) And
finally,a perceptible enlargement of lymph glands develops; this can be
anywhere, but most commonly occurs in the neck.

The spleen may be enlarged.

The fatigue can continue for 6-8 weeks.

In any case, homeopathically, it doesn't matter what the illness' name
is, just what symptoms your son has and what remedy is indicated.

Homeopathically, too, a symptomatic EBV infection in the past is one
indication that a person may need Carcinosin at some point, often as a
simillimum, and it can be considered here, although that's not
necessarily the remedy needed during the acute phase of the disease.

With an EBV infection, a blood test usually shows elevated white cells,
and with the above symptoms, that would be firmly diagnostic -- but you
probably don't need the blood test if all the symptoms are present, and
the blood test is irrelevant homeopathically.

Statistically more than 50% of 12 year olds have had an EBV infection,
and almost 100% of adults have had one, as measured by antibodies, so
this is a common disease. It's often relatively asymptomatic, however,
so we don't know when we had it. The production of noticeable symptoms
is, however, an important homeopathic indicator of a person's
"constitution."

Hope that's helpful to you in deciding how to proceed. :-)) Rosemary
Shannon Nelson wrote:

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:07 pm
by Shannon Nelson
He had chicken pox years ago (a sheer stroke of luck!!!!), uneventful. He
hasn't had measles or mumps, but I literally don't know *any* children who
have! (And very few have had chicken pox.)

Yesterday they took blood for a blood test, but the doctor was just talking
about cell counts to check for anemia and high/low/malformed WBCs. Do you
have anything else in mind?

Thanks,
Shannon

on 11/17/04 11:34 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:21 pm
by J Lucas
There are so many factors I don' think it is fair to second guess. You could
make sure he's eating lots of food with Vit B12 and folic acid if its early
stages of anaemia (I think he would have other sx as well if was more
advanced).

I've already mentioned a few ideas re rx but if you think there is a
lingering acute that cannot be expressed a dose of sulphur might help - the
desire for warm drinks, especially tea and sour (vis the other presenting
sx) suggests Arsenicum and I would keep this in mind as well as other rx
suggested if you prefer to leave alone any dx and just treat the sx.

Best wishes, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 17/11/04 18:07, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

He had chicken pox years ago (a sheer stroke of luck!!!!), uneventful. He
hasn't had measles or mumps, but I literally don't know *any* children who
have! (And very few have had chicken pox.)

Yesterday they took blood for a blood test, but the doctor was just talking
about cell counts to check for anemia and high/low/malformed WBCs. Do you
have anything else in mind?

Thanks,
Shannon
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Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:52 pm
by Rosemary C Hyde PhD
That seems like a sensible thing to do, given the symptoms. Rosemary

Robert&Shannon Nelson wrote:

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:24 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Joy,
I'll have all that in mind, and should find out soon whether he's anemic (I
doubt!). For now I'm in "wait mode" to see whether his recently given
"constitutional" is going to help, but am leaning heavily toward carc if it
doesn't. But I'll re-consider the whole list first, and thanks again!

Shannon

on 11/17/04 1:18 PM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Mononucleosis? (or maybe not...)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:55 pm
by Peter Graham
Glandular fever is mononucleosis. It's a long time ago now....hard to
remember but the mild case tested positive (blood test) and in those days I
only knew about naturopathy. I found a good book on nutritional medicine
(this is nearly 20years ago) and halved the dosage of all the supplements
advised.
Have still got the book, so can look them up if you want .
Just let me know.
Michele.