Minutus

So Homeopathy cannot work quickly, instantaneously, in emergency
situations?? Obviously she was not my client but I beg to differ. And I
think, as far as instruction goes, that once diagnosis is correct, and the
case properly taken and a remedy decided, it could be given to the client
there and then with enough time to wait for a reaction as in many emergency
acutes. If nothing, then other action has to be taken. You yourself write
about a closed mind.

Best, Joy

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on 19/10/04 11:12 pm, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

Because as it is a mechanical obstruction that threatens the vitality of the
gut, hence the life of the patient, there is no time left to allow any type
of treatment that would remove that obstruction fast.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

You seem to be in a very bad mood, Joy.............

Who said homeopathy cannot work quickly, etc,........ ? not me?

But would it be able to remove a rock hard concretion in an artery in a few
minutes/hours? would it be able to restore circulation in an ischemic bowel?
I seriously doubt so and even if anyone could demonstrate it, I would not be
ready to take the risk.

First do no harm..............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

We were taught this sort of stuff by Dr Chris Hammond at the College of
Practical Homeopathy run by David Robertson but I can't say whether it
was taught at other colleges in the UK

regards
Simon King


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It was an ongoing part of the four year course
No idea how much time it added
I have found it useful but not because I have used the skills taught.
As a lay homeopath in the UK it is not within my remit to undertake
these kind of physical examinations. Some on the course who were
doctors probably knew it anyway and do use it. I have forgotten most of
the physical examination techniques from inability to use them. No
matter, within the scope of what I can do as a lay homeopath I find it
helps in understanding what's going on or likely to be going on in a
case.
I refer for tests a lot, not just to Allopaths though, to osteopaths,
TCM practitioners etc. I also agree with Dr J Roz. that most tests
patients have already have had are meaningless, or inaccurate. but some
aren't. Experience tells which to account for

Whenever I feel I don't fully understand what's going on in a case
then I want that kind of info before I prescribe.
I am not qualified to do the kind of tests that Dr J Roz does, nor do I
have anything like his knowledge on the subject. The course gave me the
understanding not only of what might be wrong but also of when further
investigation is needed.

This is something we all do to a greater or lesser degree already:
A very simple example; If someone has muscular tremors we need to know
whether it's because they have a temperature or a neurological
condition. Extrapolate that to chronic states. Symptoms alone don't
always give the full picture. It affects the prescription.

Or the lack of it
e.g. Male 25yrs complaining that he suffered from 'nerves' and had to
drink alcohol each evening to calm them.
casetaking revealed that he drank copious amounts of tea in the
morning. See the MM on Thea - causes agitation in the early evening.
Prescription = stop drinking tea! Cured the problem. A homeopathic
pill's not always the solution!

As cases get more complicated we need greater levels of skill - we
should always be as open to acquiring new skills, or just
understanding if we aren't be licensed to practice them, and refer
when needed.

regards
Simon King

Dear Dr R, Soroush, et al, I have no idea why you try to promote the idea of
me being in a bad mood, totally unnecessary - I merely asked you why you
stated that 'no amount of Homeopathy could cure' in this instance.

It was an excellent case and a very important reminder to us all how we have
to learn as much as we can about anatomy, pathology and disease progression,
examination of the client and what all this means to us as practitioners as
well as the client. I have always tried to promote the importance of these
issues and have always applied that consideration to my own practice.

But it irks me when I hear or read "homeopathy cannot do this or that", when
what this often means is that it is the practitioner who cannot do this or
that. It concerns me that a lot of current Homeopathic practice is tending
towards an 'avoidance' of treating serious physical pathology and moving
towards pseudo-psychology and deeply emotional cases only, almost like an
indulgence. If, over the next few decades, this happens then where do we
draw the line on what Homeopathy can or cannot do. Do we refuse to treat
life threatening fevers, brain damage due to vaccinations, concussion,
epilepsy, food poisoning, septicaemia, heart attacks etc etc.

You placed an emergency on this case and I don't disagree with that at all,
but as you sent her for more tests which took time, it would seem that there
would have been some time for homeopathy to have worked as well, if not
entirely.

Soroush, I did say that I hadn't read much of the case but what little I did
read made me think of Vanadium, the Barytas, the Calcareas, and especially
Secale. So, if the whole case can be presented then I am sure 'Team Lucas'
would love to have a go at it.

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 20/10/04 10:18 pm, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

You seem to be in a very bad mood, Joy.............

Who said homeopathy cannot work quickly, etc,........ ? not me?

But would it be able to remove a rock hard concretion in an artery in a few
minutes/hours? would it be able to restore circulation in an ischemic bowel?
I seriously doubt so and even if anyone could demonstrate it, I would not be
ready to take the risk.

First do no harm..............

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

You have got me wrong.

I certainly do not belong to a group practicing pseudo psychology and deep
emotional treatment exclusively; quite the opposite, I do attract a LOT of
physical cases, especially because of my background.

By the same token, I do know when to take a risk and when not. You keep
talking about using homeopathy for acute fever, infections etc,..... and I
am OK with that, do it all the time.
In this PARTICULAR case, although I have treated almost completely
obstructed arteries with homeopathy (essentially coronary problems), I also
happen to have an extensive experience of people with mesenteric thrombosis
and subsequent bowel gangrene, from a 9 months old baby to a few very
elderly patients.
I happen to know that even though this patient was lucky, it could happen at
any time; she was not sent for more tests, but for immediate exploration and
treatment, which was the fastest way to take her away from danger.

Not putting patients at risk, first do no harm, comes before the promotion
of homeopathy.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Hi - I am tickled by this case.

Please Joe can you give as much as of the case as possible as was presented
to you.
[We assume we do not have you diagnosis of the physical problem of the
blocked artery]

Then lets us see how Team Minutus or Team Lucas would treat it.

I think it will be a good learning exercise

Rgds
Soroush

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:35:22 +0100
From: J Lucas
Subject: Re: Qualification

Dear Dr R, Soroush, et al,

SNIP

I merely asked you why you stated that 'no amount of Homeopathy could cure'
in this instance.

SNIP
..............
SNIP

Soroush, I did say that I hadn't read much of the case but what little I did
read made me think of Vanadium, the Barytas, the Calcareas, and especially
Secale. So, if the whole case can be presented then I am sure 'Team Lucas'
would love to have a go at it.

Joy
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I gave all I had because I had the diagnosis in mind as soon as she
explained her problem, went straight to the physical exam, confirmed the
diagnosis and sent her immediately for what I deemed the most appropriate
treatment.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"