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hi,
i heard about carbo.veg can speed up affect of lycopodium on 14 days after taking lycopodium.
best
alireza

J Lucas wrote:
Actually Lycopodium is one rx that is often stated/advised to precede with a
related remedy first to avoid the well known aggravations that Lyc can
cause. For what its worth.

Best, Joy

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on 20/7/04 11:32 PM, DMH at igan@gis.net wrote:

Vera,

I'm not familiar with it as a general practice, but I did notice Indian
homeopaths sometimes preceding Lycopodium with Lachesis, on the claimed
basis that it speeded up the action of Lycopodium. This sounded bizarre to
me at the time, yet since then I have seen a number of patients who looked
as if they needed just this combination.

Peace,
Cinnabar
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Dear Joy,
Isn't this one of the urban myths in homeopathy. Didn't it come about because Dorothy Shepherd had an agg with a patient she gave Lyco200 to? I stand to be corrected as always.

Regards
Rochelle
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At 11:23 PM +0100 7/21/04, rochelle wrote:

Yes. One of the urban myths.
I have been searching for verification and I have found none.
I've heard the 200th referred to as "the devil's potency"--
especially with the remedies Lycopodium and Lachesis.
Old Don Lee (who managed B&T in Philly) said they used to sell lots
of "back potencies" of those two remedies-- i.e., 198 and 199-- for
those people who were afraid to use the 200!

I'm doing a presentation on "homeopathic myths" at two conferences,
and I'd LOVE to have documentation of where this problem with a 200
appeared in writing.

JW

I trained at the Australian College of Natural Medicine in Brisbane,
Australia where I did my Bachelor of Health Science (Homeopathy).
We were taught to, after finding the simmilimum, to give the lowest dose
that was appropriate, continue with that potency until it had done its job
and then move up the potencies as needed, and to change the remedy only when
a need to change was well indicated.
Here in Australia we mostly use 6C, 30C, 200C, 1M and rarely, when indicated
10M & 50M. We were not taught what I assume is a more European model of much
lower potencies, presumably because our Supervisor is/was Indian.

I hope I haven't misread the original comment/question, but that's my story.
Regards,
Michele.

I'm not sure I understand what the entry remedy is. I have just responded to
Robyn's question. Believe me there is A LOT of watching and waiting. Much
more of that than prescribing which, in my opinion, is a good thing as long
as you can educate your patients well as to the importance of the precess. I
have only had to use placebo once I think.
regards,
michele.

Don't know how urban Clarke was but he says "Lyc is very prone to cause
aggravations, especially when highly attenuated, and hence it is necessary
to give it with caution. Unless the indications are quite clear it is better
to start a case on an allied remedy."

Joy

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on 21/7/04 11:23 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Dear Joy,
Isn't this one of the urban myths in homeopathy. Didn't it come about
because Dorothy Shepherd had an agg with a patient she gave Lyco200 to? I
stand to be corrected as always.

Regards
Rochelle
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Dear Michele

Hi - What you describe (plus the watching and waiting in between) is the
standard protocol of prescribing for C Potencies.

I think you worried a lot of people because I also thought that this crazy
system of "Entry & Main remedies" was being actually and officially taught
by some college!

Good healing
Soroush
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:10:49 +1000
From: "Peter Graham"
Subject: Re: entry and main remedies

I trained at the Australian College of Natural Medicine in Brisbane,
Australia where I did my Bachelor of Health Science (Homeopathy).
We were taught to, after finding the simmilimum, to give the lowest dose
that was appropriate, continue with that potency until it had done its job
and then move up the potencies as needed, and to change the remedy only when
a need to change was well indicated.
Here in Australia we mostly use 6C, 30C, 200C, 1M and rarely, when indicated
10M & 50M. We were not taught what I assume is a more European model of much
lower potencies, presumably because our Supervisor is/was Indian.

I hope I haven't misread the original comment/question, but that's my story.
Regards,
Michele.
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do you know which form of administration was used in the 200c aggravations
you've mentioned

Dr. Guillermo Pagura
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De: J Lucas [mailto:j.lucas@ntlworld.com]
Enviado el: jueves, 22 de julio de 2004 4:37
Para: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [Minutus] entry and main remedies
Don't know how urban Clarke was but he says "Lyc is very prone to cause
aggravations, especially when highly attenuated, and hence it is necessary
to give it with caution. Unless the indications are quite clear it is better
to start a case on an allied remedy."

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 21/7/04 11:23 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Dear Joy,
Isn't this one of the urban myths in homeopathy. Didn't it come about
because Dorothy Shepherd had an agg with a patient she gave Lyco200 to? I
stand to be corrected as always.

Regards
Rochelle
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The reference is from Clarke's Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica and
when writing about this he gives examples of high potency Lyc most of which
are 1m and some are given in water. He goes on to say that cases of this
kind (i.e. aggravations from high potencies) could be multiplied
indefinitely.

Hope useful, Joy

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on 24/7/04 7:21 AM, Guillermo Pagura at guillerpag@argentina.com wrote:

do you know which form of administration was used in the 200c aggravations
you've mentioned

Dr. Guillermo Pagura
-----Mensaje original-----
De: J Lucas [mailto:j.lucas@ntlworld.com]
Enviado el: jueves, 22 de julio de 2004 4:37
Para: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [Minutus] entry and main remedies
Don't know how urban Clarke was but he says "Lyc is very prone to cause
aggravations, especially when highly attenuated, and hence it is necessary
to give it with caution. Unless the indications are quite clear it is
better
to start a case on an allied remedy."

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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IMHO probably he is right but I have never seen any aggravation with
Lycopodium that I have not seen with Nux vom or any other medicine or
that matter. In fact I would say I have seen less aggravation with
Lycopodium than other medicines. I have ALWAYS used 200 to start with
in Lycopodium, Phos etc. and have never known any idiosyncratic
aggravation with that potency.In fact I have had aggravations with
Spongia 30 ( a proving started) and Lachesis 30. I think these
aggravations are more to do with Patient- Remedy - Potency
interactions than with the medicine or Potency alone. There is
nothing magical about 200...
Medica and
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