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on 11/11/04 15:13, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:

J Lucas,
I would suggest to refere Aphorisms162 to170.Most of this type of congenital
cases does not fit into one single simillimum.These are all one sided
Diseases.What ever symptoms ,mental- physical symptoms are depend on -ONE
cause ie congenital.Normal at birth ,itself is ABNORMAL. Most of time U may
have to treat on miasmatic basis depending on Family history alone .And
improvement will not be fast .Improvement comes along with growth of
individual.Deapth of disease deepest.Normal polycrests will not be able to
change any way.,if at all any change ,will not hold on .I have seen number
of cases tried on available symptoms with out considering deapth of disease
by other Homoeopaths,failed not only homoeopaths but homoeopathy itself.

I dont know what is Ur experience in treating this type of cases,but with
grace of GOD ,
I have treated number of cases of Cerebral Palsy,ADHDs,Mentally backward
children,Autistic chldren quite success fully.
***Me too and without the grace of god - just homeopathy. I believe in
prescribing the simillimum for the indicating sx, at any given time in a
case regardless of what that remedy might be and how deep the case is.

Even in so called one sided cases there will be characteristic sx if you
look hard enough.

All rx have a miasmatic influence this doesn't mean to say you can ONLY
prescribe nosodes in cases of dyspraxia for example.

Even Hahnemann said that one sided diseases are quite rare and that finding
a suitable remedy can be a problem because of the too few number of
medicines yet known to us.

"Normal at birth, itself is ABNORMAL" - what does this mean?
Best, Joy

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J Lucas wrote:
It is never wise to prescribe on theory like this - the only way is to
prescribe on the indicating symptoms and if there is only ever one single
simillimum (how could there be more than one?) then so be it, however deep
seated it may be.

Encouraging routine prescribing on 'types' of cases is misleading and
unnecessary.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

Hi Shannon
I agree,my training was also as U were trained.
Ideal cases go on as per our trainig.
But this type of diseases does need differrent techniqe Disease is deep seated ,need deep acting remedies.Carcinosi n is deep acting drug In normal disease condition carcinosin acts quite long .We may have to wait long till it exhausts its action .We expect some improve ment with in reasonable time of 10-15 days .But this type of cases we dont see improvement in short duration ,Improvement has to come along with growth only.
So how long to wait after carc 200 ? in my experience, some times long waiting has become unproductive .Some times improvement stopped after week ,some time stopped after 15 days some times little more..Reason may be poor succeptibility. My experience is it is safe to repeat after a month. By starting from lower potency to required potenciy,it antidotes the earlier remedy action(if exists by chance).
In recent times after all earlier experience this type of repeation works faster .Even though it does not fit into what we were taught ,it does not violate basic laws.
I hope it helps.
With Good Wishes
Ramachandra ,
Hyderabad,India

Hi Ramachandra,

Since my training didn't include this sort of repetition, I feel confused
when I hear it suggested. Carcinosin *is* a deep-acting remedy, and I don't
understand why these multiple repetitions of multiple potencies would be
more appropriate than a single dose of 200, let it run and see whether or
when more is needed? Do you have reason to think that a single dose of 200
would fail to act, or that this regimen will act more quickly or ?? Purely
for my curiosity and desire to understand, could you tel me--do you
*sometimes* give only single doses with a "wait and watch" approach but feel
it's not appropriate for this situation, or do you use multiple doses by
first choice?

Thanks so much!
Shannon

on 11/8/04 11:38 AM, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:
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Good ,belief is different and experience is different .If U say U have done it, nothing to dis-agree .I have mentioned my experience.
Normal at birth it self Abnormal ,I mean congenital disease.
With Good Wishes
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA

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on 11/11/04 15:13, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:

J Lucas,
I would suggest to refere Aphorisms162 to170.Most of this type of congenital
cases does not fit into one single simillimum.These are all one sided
Diseases.What ever symptoms ,mental- physical symptoms are depend on -ONE
cause ie congenital.Normal at birth ,itself is ABNORMAL. Most of time U may
have to treat on miasmatic basis depending on Family history alone .And
improvement will not be fast .Improvement comes along with growth of
individual.Deapth of disease deepest.Normal polycrests will not be able to
change any way.,if at all any change ,will not hold on .I have seen number
of cases tried on available symptoms with out considering deapth of disease
by other Homoeopaths,failed not only homoeopaths but homoeopathy itself.

I dont know what is Ur experience in treating this type of cases,but with
grace of GOD ,
I have treated number of cases of Cerebral Palsy,ADHDs,Mentally backward
children,Autistic chldren quite success fully.
***Me too and without the grace of god - just homeopathy. I believe in
prescribing the simillimum for the indicating sx, at any given time in a
case regardless of what that remedy might be and how deep the case is.

Even in so called one sided cases there will be characteristic sx if you
look hard enough.

All rx have a miasmatic influence this doesn't mean to say you can ONLY
prescribe nosodes in cases of dyspraxia for example.

Even Hahnemann said that one sided diseases are quite rare and that finding
a suitable remedy can be a problem because of the too few number of
medicines yet known to us.

"Normal at birth, itself is ABNORMAL" - what does this mean?
Best, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
J Lucas wrote:
It is never wise to prescribe on theory like this - the only way is to
prescribe on the indicating symptoms and if there is only ever one single
simillimum (how could there be more than one?) then so be it, however deep
seated it may be.

Encouraging routine prescribing on 'types' of cases is misleading and
unnecessary.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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Tell me more about what you've seen!
Can you say more about what *types* of cases, or situations you have used
this for, and any specific cases that might come to mind?

When you say,

are you speaking simply of acutes that might arise, or do you also sometimes
see reactions to the doses, discharges, etc.? How often have you used this
approach, and how smooth have you found it to be? I am very interested to
hear more details of your experience with this approach!

Thankyou,
Shannon
on 11/11/04 10:52 AM, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:

As I mentioned earlier ,this type of method I adopt when regular method fails because of incurability of case.Many times we receive cases after exhausting all type of treatment.cases are One sided or congenital.Mentally backward children,Cerabral Palsy ,degenerative diseases like Osteo Arthritis,Motor neuron disease ,in systemic diseases like DM ,HPT .Thyroid problems ,Arthritis togetherly manifestic in single individual.Atleast I find very difficult to find one SINGLE simillimum.Ther are somany cases but I will give U few examles.
Boy of 6-7 years of age -complaint is NASTYGMUS of both eyes .Parents had tried best available Allopathic establishments .Tried Homoeopathic treatment classical type only.Nothing Happened.Child was suppose to be removed from school as he was not able to see,In family history paternal grand father was DM, metarnally grand mother died of Ca of some thing.I just prescribed Carcinosin 200,and 1M as mentioned in earlier mail (he was otherwise normal in all function ).With in 15 days,eye balls became normal and vision was restored .I repeated once in month for few cycles ,now he is on same medicines ,once in three months.
A case of Motor Neuron disease, degeneraton of dorsal palm musclesand loosing grip in fingers .He was young mandoing postgraduation course ,allopathy prescribed steroids which didnot work and declared un curable .He was normal in all other function ,no family history of Dm or any other serious illness .Any amount of questioning didnot reveal any useful information.Instead of expressing my inability ,on basis of Miasm ie Tubercular miasm,Tuberculinum 200,and1M at interval 15 days was prescribed ,after 2 cycles progress of degeneration stopped .Next same medicine in same method was given once in 30-40 days(depending on his visit) for 2-3 years .Now has no complain of any degeneration of muscle .
A case of abdominal Tumor pressing on bile ducts causing sever jaundice .Surgeon opened the abdomen put stent to bile duct but left the tumor as it was big and malignant,declaring he may not lost more tha 3month(1999).All were prepared for his end and I was called to make his end as comfortable as possible .On basis of sycotic miasm I prescribed Medorrhinum 200and1M once in 15 days ,3-4 cycles ,he improve lot .now he takes once in month after every new moon He looks as normal person and going on .
Acases of boy age 2 yrs mentally back wards retarded development crying continuously cause could not be diagnosed .Had once again treatment differrent hooeopaths with out any improvement ..only guiding history is of Diabetes meletus in both sides.Carcinosin 200 and 1M as mentioned earlier ,stopped his crying and progressing in mental symptoms.
Well these cases do not fit into methods what we generally follow .It tells that what we know of Homoeopathy is not complete.
In acutes or acute exaberration of same complaint ,I prescribe the indicated remedy in lowpotency and manage I avoid sending them to allopathic treatment.
Almost 40-50% cases need this method .After some time,some cases gets cleared and indicates right simillimum which cures the individual as whole.other wise goes on and goes on with improving quality of life.
This has brought name to homoeopathy and also to homoeopath.
I hope this helps.
With God Wishes
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA

Robert&Shannon Nelson wrote:

Tell me more about what you've seen!
Can you say more about what *types* of cases, or situations you have used
this for, and any specific cases that might come to mind?

When you say,

are you speaking simply of acutes that might arise, or do you also sometimes
see reactions to the doses, discharges, etc.? How often have you used this
approach, and how smooth have you found it to be? I am very interested to
hear more details of your experience with this approach!

Thankyou,
Shannon
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Thankyou, this is very intriguing!
I am curious--in each case you continued the cycles either indefinitely, or
at least for some time beyond when the problem appeared to be fixed. Could
you explain how you decide for how many cycles to continue? Did the person
with Motor Neuron Disease have any improvement, or simply stop getting worse
(which in itself, I realize, is a wonderful result!)?

Shannon
on 11/12/04 11:30 AM, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:

Dear Ramachandra,

I am quite impressed by your prescribing method. For the cases you
presented below ,eg. Carc. 200 & 1 M , was that mean in the 1 st day :
Carc. 200 , in 3 doses : morning , afternoon and night . then 2nd. day :
Carc. 1M , in 3 doses too (in the same day ) ?

By the way , do you have any cases of AUTISM child ? What are those nosodes
covered ?

Thanks for your kind assistance.

MAY YOU BE WELL AND HAPPY ALWAYS !!!

HT. Saw
tried best available Allopathic establishments .Tried Homoeopathic treatment
classical type only.Nothing Happened.Child was suppose to be removed from
school as he was not able to see,In family history paternal grand father was
DM, metarnally grand mother died of Ca of some thing.I just prescribed
Carcinosin 200,and 1M as mentioned in earlier mail (he was otherwise normal
in all function ).With in 15 days,eye balls became normal and vision was
restored .I repeated once in month for few cycles ,now he is on same
medicines ,once in three months.
loosing grip in fingers .He was young mandoing postgraduation course
,allopathy prescribed steroids which didnot work and declared un curable
.He was normal in all other function ,no family history of Dm or any other
serious illness .Any amount of questioning didnot reveal any useful
information.Instead of expressing my inability ,on basis of Miasm ie
Tubercular miasm,Tuberculinum 200,and1M at interval 15 days was prescribed
,after 2 cycles progress of degeneration stopped .Next same medicine in
same method was given once in 30-40 days(depending on his visit) for 2-3
years .Now has no complain of any degeneration of muscle .
.Surgeon opened the abdomen put stent to bile duct but left the tumor as it
was big and malignant,declaring he may not lost more tha 3month(1999).All
were prepared for his end and I was called to make his end as comfortable as
possible .On basis of sycotic miasm I prescribed Medorrhinum 200and1M once
in 15 days ,3-4 cycles ,he improve lot .now he takes once in month after
every new moon He looks as normal person and going on .
continuously cause could not be diagnosed .Had once again treatment
differrent hooeopaths with out any improvement ..only guiding history is of
Diabetes meletus in both sides.Carcinosin 200 and 1M as mentioned earlier
,stopped his crying and progressing in mental symptoms.
tells that what we know of Homoeopathy is not complete.
indicated remedy in lowpotency and manage I avoid sending them to
allopathic treatment.
cleared and indicates right simillimum which cures the individual as
whole.other wise goes on and goes on with improving quality of life.
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Dear HT.Saw,
Carcinosin 200 on 1st day ,2nd day 1M(3 doses on same day,it amounts one dose only )
In one Autistic child family history of DM ,Iam giving Carcinosin ,child is improving slowly.
With Good Wishes,
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA
HT_Saw wrote:
Dear Ramachandra,

I am quite impressed by your prescribing method. For the cases you
presented below ,eg. Carc. 200 & 1 M , was that mean in the 1 st day :
Carc. 200 , in 3 doses : morning , afternoon and night . then 2nd. day :
Carc. 1M , in 3 doses too (in the same day ) ?

By the way , do you have any cases of AUTISM child ? What are those nosodes
covered ?

Thanks for your kind assistance.

MAY YOU BE WELL AND HAPPY ALWAYS !!!

HT. Saw
tried best available Allopathic establishments .Tried Homoeopathic treatment
classical type only.Nothing Happened.Child was suppose to be removed from
school as he was not able to see,In family history paternal grand father was
DM, metarnally grand mother died of Ca of some thing.I just prescribed
Carcinosin 200,and 1M as mentioned in earlier mail (he was otherwise normal
in all function ).With in 15 days,eye balls became normal and vision was
restored .I repeated once in month for few cycles ,now he is on same
medicines ,once in three months.
loosing grip in fingers .He was young mandoing postgraduation course
,allopathy prescribed steroids which didnot work and declared un curable
.He was normal in all other function ,no family history of Dm or any other
serious illness .Any amount of questioning didnot reveal any useful
information.Instead of expressing my inability ,on basis of Miasm ie
Tubercular miasm,Tuberculinum 200,and1M at interval 15 days was prescribed
,after 2 cycles progress of degeneration stopped .Next same medicine in
same method was given once in 30-40 days(depending on his visit) for 2-3
years .Now has no complain of any degeneration of muscle .
.Surgeon opened the abdomen put stent to bile duct but left the tumor as it
was big and malignant,declaring he may not lost more tha 3month(1999).All
were prepared for his end and I was called to make his end as comfortable as
possible .On basis of sycotic miasm I prescribed Medorrhinum 200and1M once
in 15 days ,3-4 cycles ,he improve lot .now he takes once in month after
every new moon He looks as normal person and going on .
continuously cause could not be diagnosed .Had once again treatment
differrent hooeopaths with out any improvement ..only guiding history is of
Diabetes meletus in both sides.Carcinosin 200 and 1M as mentioned earlier
,stopped his crying and progressing in mental symptoms.
tells that what we know of Homoeopathy is not complete.
indicated remedy in lowpotency and manage I avoid sending them to
allopathic treatment.
cleared and indicates right simillimum which cures the individual as
whole.other wise goes on and goes on with improving quality of life.
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Shannnon,
I dont continue these cycles indefinitely.May be few cycles till patient shows some improvement and points to certain remedy .Even otherwise the moment improvements starts I increase the gap between the repeation.It is not blind formula.It is my experience ,initially it is difficult to find right simillimum,but after few ,few only cycles indication to single remedy develops .My method ,differrence is every one try first polycrest and when it does not improve ,then go to nosode .But I dont want to waste that period .I start with nosode .Where cure is not possible (as in case of abdominal Tumor ) I stick on to " helping " nosode only.
Regarding Motor Neuron Case he is young man with Tuberculinum his degenerated muscles are coming back
With Good Wishes
Ramachandra,
Hyderabd,INDIA

Robert&Shannon Nelson wrote:
Thankyou, this is very intriguing!
I am curious--in each case you continued the cycles either indefinitely, or
at least for some time beyond when the problem appeared to be fixed. Could
you explain how you decide for how many cycles to continue? Did the person
with Motor Neuron Disease have any improvement, or simply stop getting worse
(which in itself, I realize, is a wonderful result!)?

Shannon
on 11/12/04 11:30 AM, indu masoor at indu_masoor@yahoo.com wrote:

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