Minutus

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 02:16:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:

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14.7.4.
This could be a theoretical way of proceeding but in preventing the
appearance of new stones, the ones already there will not disappear. A big practical
field-study would make sense here in the risk groups like women before/after
bearing a child or people with high cholesterol levels or so, using these
remedies.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 02:16:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:


14.7.4.
How did they know that the stones went away, then? They SUPPOSED ... Many
stones go spontaneously away, if they are small, sometimes only with low or even
no pain. This has nothing to do with homeopathy. It is just BELIEVED it might
have something to do with it. No way.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 02:16:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:

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14.7.4.
The youngest patient I have seen was 18, a women with already 3 children, she
was operated and she is doing great. Satisfied?
Ethiology of gall stones is complicated and not fully understood, as the case
with kidney stones. This is a large area.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

I can think of at least 6 cases of gallstones over the past few years - they
had the stones before homeopathy but they didn't have them after homeopathy
- satisfied?

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 14/7/04 10:27 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 02:16:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit
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hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:

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14.7.4.
The youngest patient I have seen was 18, a women with already 3 children,
she
was operated and she is doing great. Satisfied?
Ethiology of gall stones is complicated and not fully understood, as the
case
with kidney stones. This is a large area.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
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Dr.Bucur-
I have a feeling that there is much more to Homeopathy than what you
and I know about. The medicines I quoted were all USED BY ME in
ACTUAL cases and not theoretical; I am not reading them off from a
repertory. If we say that the stones that went away did so because
they are small we can use the same argument to say that of any cure
we make using Homeopathy. In fact isn't it said of Homeopathy that
what we are making are only placebo cures? I have seen Gall stones,
Renal stones, Tuberculomas, Hydatid cysts all going away after
Homeopathy. I have even seen swollen legs of elephantiasis respond
to homeopathy. I picked up Homeopathy 23 years back while still being
a medical student in a regular medical school. I did not do so
because Homeopathy was good enough for treating "Hands in trousers"
with Medorrhinum.I am not saying that I would give Homeopathy in ALL
cases of gall stones. THere are situations where I might advice
Surgery - sure because it is ultimately the patient's welfare we are
talking about. But there are plenty of situations where the "small
gallstones" which never went away on their own accord did so after
the medicine. Obviously you seem to think Homeopathy is good enough
for treating the whole person only - for functional cases and for
personality problems. In India we have exposure and experience in
treating much more advanced pathology and we have done so
successfully all credit to Homeopathy. Sorry if I sounded abrupt but
you spoke out of turn when you said something cannot be done using
Homeopathy which even now countless doctors are doing all over the
place.

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children, she
as the case

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 13:09:26 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
j.lucas@ntlworld.com:

<< I can think of at least 6 cases of gallstones over the past few years -
they
had the stones before homeopathy but they didn't have them after homeopathy
- satisfied?
Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
14.7.4.
Not enough. How was the diagnosis proved - before and after?
Even sonography, although the gear is fantastic meanwhile, might not be
enough due to physical factors. However, in the past the error quota was very big.
Now reduced due to better training and especially good technique, however
still not 100%. Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

In einer eMail vom 14.07.04 13:13:28 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:

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children, she
as the case
14.7.4.
Don' t get nervous about this. Of course, there is a lot to come for all of
us, no doubt. I am not saying that the stones went away because they are small
- this IS so in practice, there is not me trying to bother you or whatever.
This happens much more frequent than one may think.
I also do have much respect about Homeopathy worked out in India, I know what
happens there, I use some books and a repertory myself from there. This is
not the point. I respect this country out of several reasons very much and
unfortunately could not visit it so far, lack of time. Can not miss my office for
more than 2 weeks or so. There is so much to be seen there ...
I have a problem believing that proven existing gallstones proven disappeared
after homeopathic treatment with whatever remedy was required.
Maybe as somebody else pointed out here, a acute cholecystitis with stones
got better under homeopathic treatment - this, yes, I fully accept.
As I told you, I think that for 100% chemical cholesterine stones (there are
many sorts of them, usually mixtures), there might be a theoretical chance
that they can be prevented if this remedy is given. This would make sens
homeopathically.
(I repeat : "Hands in trousers" was Stramonium mainly, not Medorrhinum).
Homeopathy works energetical and therefore functional state-of the-art in the
first place. Why do you have doubts about this statement - please comment.
You did not sound abrupt. I am already used to everything, no problem. Just
arguing on a common base, no passion or so in the stuff, nothing personal, no
reason for that. As homeopathy teaches us, we are all very different persons. I
am a person arguing like THIS. Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur
(www.dr-bucur.com).

Now this is interesting...
If "many stones go spontaneously away", why on earth could homeopathy not
help that to happen? I assumed you were saying that homeopathy could not
remove stones because the body had no way to remove stones, but now you are
saying the body *can* sometimes remove them on its own, but remedies cannot
help. This I don't understand at all! Or are you saying that *large*
stones cannot be removed??

Interesting discussion, thanks!
Shannon
on 7/14/04 4:20 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:

Hooray, actual *experiences*!
Did you have need of "organ remedies" and acute remedies, in addition to
"constitutional" treatment? Any observations/generalizations about
treatment of gallstones?
on 7/14/04 5:51 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

In einer eMail vom 15.07.04 04:52:00 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:

<< Now this is interesting...
If "many stones go spontaneously away", why on earth could homeopathy not
help that to happen? I assumed you were saying that homeopathy could not
remove stones because the body had no way to remove stones, but now you are
saying the body *can* sometimes remove them on its own, but remedies cannot
help. This I don't understand at all! Or are you saying that *large*
stones cannot be removed??
Interesting discussion, thanks!
Shannon
15.7.4.
There is sludge=some sort of pre-stone, small stones and big stones, each
ones of the last two being sinlge or multiple.
Small stones, due to MECHANICAL reasons which can be particular from person
to person, do slip away very often, sometimes even without symptoms or
unspecific ones and so they do disappear. The big ones stay, being to big to pass the
channels. So this is very frequent and definitely has nothing to do with
homeopathy.
Nor can it be induced by homeopathy or allopathy or something else, so far at
least.
It just happens as other mechanical phenomena, similar, do happen in nature.
I have doubts that the initial diagnosis of stones and the controll diagnosis
after homeopathic therapy were suitable to GUARANTEE that the stones did
disappear.
I believe they SUPPOSED due some other symptoms or disappearing of certain
symptoms, that the stones must have gone and concluded that this was due to
homeopathy. It is very improbable, speculation nothing more.
With homeopathy, the prevention of creating stones in the bile/conditions of
bile production in liver-cell (because there is the fault, in the fine
chemistry of bile production), could eventually be prevented with such remedies as
the ones mentioned by this doctor from India.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).