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Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:38 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
It helps by telling desperate people that some practitioners have been able to treat this kind of labeled disease and that there is hope for them if they get to an appropriate practitioner.

Although evident for professionals, the simple sentence "see a qualified practitioner" does not have any positive meaning for people asking for help.
Minutus is not restricted to professional homeopaths, patients are asking if something can be done.
That is how I see those answers.
Nothing else.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:06 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 28.06.04 08:43:17 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
homeopathycures@tesco.net:

<< From VBLUES@aol.com
(www.dr-bucur.com).
now that was so helpful.......good grief
Raza ali - can you find a classical homeopath in Bangkok? Can anyone help?
You need to see a homeopath to work up your case and find the one right
remedy that fits your symptom picture.
Yes, it is possible to be helped but there is NOT one remedy for a disease
name such as MS. The remedy is found that matches your individual symptoms
Sheri
29.6.4.
I am sorry but obviously you did NOT understand. My remark was as helpful as
it could be ... There are no symptoms of MS, because - I repeat it for the
10-th time or so - in homeopathy you never treat diseases but patients! This is
the ABC one should start with.
So returning to the first point of view, only Ph-Aurum patients
constitutionally (very closely related) are susceptible to get MS. MS IS a phosphoric
disease. Did you understand now?
Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:32 am
by muthu kumar
Sheri-
I know that though you meant well it sounded a little harsh...
And I do feel that there are many different kinds of homeopathy
being practised. There are constitutional prescribers, miasmatic
prescribers, symptom coverers, Drainage prescribers, Low potency
people, LM practitioners, Nosodopaths, Sequential therapists. All
claim to be homeopaths and one way or other all seem to work if not
in all at least in many cases. Which of these makes you ill? And who
makes the final call? Do we trash Richard Hughes just because we are
Kentians. Do we criticize Kent because we are fond of Burnett? Are
Neo Classical masters who spin their web of delusional mysticism any
more true to the Spirit of homeopathy than the barefoot village
practitioner who treats successfully the acutest of acute maladies
with whatever Key note prescription he or she is capable of.Starting
from Boenninghausen,Hering, Lippe, Kent, Dunham, Farrington till
Edward Whitmont, Richard Hayes, MLTyler every one of them practised
what THEY understood as their form of Homeopathy. Each one had
emphasized on what he or she had thought would lead to the simillimum
or remove an obstacle to cure. There is one argument that more than
the bastardization of homeopathy it is the schism in homeopathy (
where the purists high brow the lowly mongrels) that caused its down
fall in US 80 years back. Let us be tolerant and "vaccinate ourselves"
against falling ill in the face of mixed-up homeopathy practice.
Selecting a remedy is different from matching the symptoms of the
patient with the medicinal symptoms. Gathering all the symptoms of
the patient or just the key notes or the generals or the state of the
patient are all attempts to increase the probability of getting a
hit. But they are all NOT necessary. If by looking at a patient you
can arrive at a remedy diagnosis ( no one can do that but just
imagine if it were so) then you do not need to take all these
symptoms into account- right. It is arriving at the correct remedy
that is important and not HOW. Much as I admire your enthusiasm for
homeopathy still I wanted to clarify these.
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Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:48 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 28.06.04 14:12:15 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
homeopathycures@tesco.net:

>
29.6.4.
Only people of Ph-Aurum constitution are sussceptible to getting MS. Is this
all right? Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viroel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:53 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 28.06.04 14:37:44 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
joy.lucas@ntlworld.com:

>
29.6.4.
Well, as far as I know, there was a theory about measles vaccine leading to
long term damage of MS type and to the disease in the way of dormant virus,
etc., etc. I am not sure if this still is actual allopathical.
Homeopathically, only people of Phosphoric-Aurum constitution get the disease.
Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:07 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 28.06.04 15:30:22 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
homeopathycures@tesco.net:

>Phosphoric disease. Kind regards,
Dr.medic Viorel V. Bucur
How has this helped this person who is an individual and needs to have his
individual case looked at and also seems to be looking at homeopathy as a
newcomer and who we can help teach quality homeopathy which I thought this
list was about. >>
29.6.4.
Well, this is no university but homeopathic Hyde Park - free speech and
opinion in a short and dense way. There have been many books and dissertations
written about this subject. I told you what I know about it, it was actually a
good and very valuable piece of information if given a second thought, coming
from cumulative experience, etc. So, would you mind doing that? It is a matter of
fair-play - let us stick to it.
On the other side it fully confirms that old classifications do not hold any
more.
Ph, as classical tuberculinic, gives a lot of cancers and not only of bone
marrow - so it IS luesinic too or the discussion we had about Lycopodium and its
"trimiasmatic" character ...
This is very important for people starting with homeopathy now. It has to be
understood that "Chronic diseases" in 6 volumes is medical history, to be read
and known but not be learned and applied any more at least in some parts of
it. There are no such things any more but only the remedies as such. Period.
New systems and classifications have to be found.
I repeat : Ph- Aurum constitutions (closely related between them and also
with Ipecacuanha, which is but very superficial, or as someone put it = Aurum can
be found between the lines of Phosphor=very good!) are the ones sussceptible
to get MS. MS is located HERE. So MS is a phosphoric disease. What else do you
want?
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:04 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 28.06.04 16:46:01 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
ruby@industryinet.com:

<< Personally, I think the reason someone would come to a Homeopathic Site
and beg for help and ideas is that mainstream medicine has NO ANSWERS, and the
prognosis is very bleak. If it were me, I'd be desperately looking at
alternatives to find anything and anyone who could offer hope and experience with this
dread disease.
Sure, one should go to a qualified homeopath, but as this is a homeopathic
list, to ask for ideas and help from the best of the best...... is sensible to
my way of thinking.
I know when I've gone to "medical doctors", some of the research I've
recently read on the internet is not even anything that the busy doc is familiar
with... Perhaps Raza felt that the newest research and the best experienced
homeopaths would be represented here on this list. If I had MS, I know I'd be
pretty aggressive in looking for help from the best.
Raza, by the way, there are a couple homeopaths on this list who have had
success with MS, using homeopathy, minerals, essential fatty acids, and the
SCENAR biofeedback device.
Just my two cents...
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
30.6.4.
If this was the case, he got the wrong allopaths too. There are meanwhile
also allopathic ways to deal with this severe and mysterious disease. Take a look
at copaxone for example, not to mention the great interferone progress.
Homeopathy can also be tried, of course. Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V.
Bucur. (www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:38 am
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 29.06.04 01:40:37 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
jroz@ihug.co.nz:

<< How has this helped this person who is an individual and needs to have his
individual case looked at and also seems to be looking at homeopathy as a
newcomer and who we can help teach quality homeopathy which I thought this
list was about.
30.6.4.
Well, this was a piece of good and essential information. MS is nothing for
newcomers. He was offered the answer or the known answer so far, at least.
I fully agree with the remarks of Dr Rosenzweig, from top of this mail.
"Less is usually more". Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V. Bucur
(www.dr-bucur.com).

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:11 pm
by Paul Booyse
Hello,

the
experience with this

homeopathic
sensible to

Umm, I don't know if we represent the "best of the best". In fact we do
not. We do have some very good homeopaths on the list, but there is no way
of moderating who gives the answers. So we often get a question for advice
and it ends up in a bun fight. People just need to know what homeopathy is
capable of and who they can see in their area as a good reference. They
should not be told what treatments to take. Conditions such as MS need a
good understanding of the case, good prescribing and good follow-up - long
term.

As far as phos-aurum constitution, I am just remembering Alize Timmerman who
has done extensive work with MS patients and some of her cases she
presented. I did not get the feeling the remedies she had success with were
in any category of aurum-phos. One good case was Causticum. Does that fit
in or is it "inimical"?

Is the phos-aurum idea part of the Jouanny School of teaching? If so that
is a purely clinical approach.

Regards,
Paul

PS Pleeeeze (for the umpteenth time) could people edit their replies? I get
confused as to who is saying what and the excess is not necessary.

Re: Please Please Please Help Me

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:54 pm
by VBLUES
In einer eMail vom 30.06.04 13:12:47 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
pb000014@pixie.co.za:

<< As far as phos-aurum constitution, I am just remembering Alize Timmerman
who
has done extensive work with MS patients and some of her cases she
presented. I did not get the feeling the remedies she had success with were
in any category of aurum-phos. One good case was Causticum. Does that fit
in or is it "inimical"?
Is the phos-aurum idea part of the Jouanny School of teaching? If so that
is a purely clinical approach.
Regards,
Paul
30.6.4.
The Au-ph thing is no school but fact, acomplished in many years of hard and
acribic work, a lot of experience put together and confirmed in day-to-day
practice. However I would not dismiss other results or conclusions, of course.
To me, Causticum is a different story. It is by far not that deep. Than for
Causticum it is not integrity the main idea, but political idealism way up to
anarchism, revolution, bombing of all sorts, stuff like that. We have so many
examples, even today, in the news, there is no day HIS name is not in the news.
Best Causticum case ever. Every child on earth knows his name and face. You'
ll know whom I mean, however I will stick to the rules - no particular names.
Causticum is tall and thinn, has always severe heartburn with severe
oesophagitis and may die from hunger, if old, due to scarring of oesophagus. They get
dilatations or tubes inserted or stuff but not much can be done.
Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V. Bucur. (www.dr-bucur.com).