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Lots of times you do not know if we are curing or "suppressing".Cure
is always just an ill defined word. Cure assumes that health and
disease are black and white. Oh we wish everything were so clear -
right. Regarding suppression or becoming better- from the way
symptoms change you can evaluate the progression or regression of the
condition and but herings law and other observations - as long as
they are present and operative- can guide us- but are not always
present. Just because a remedy has been prescribed on mentals and
generals does not mean it is the elusive similimum - prescribing in
this way improves your chances of hitting the right medicine. the
body is always in a dynamic state, the body and "vis medicatrix
naturae" is always trying to maintain a balance. It would use
anything that is available to it to improve its condition. It is not
just looking for homeopathy and the similimum to get cured. That is
the reason there are spontaneous remissions in conditions and there
are so many therapeutic modalities in the world. Hey even in
homeopathy there are so many different ways of prescribing. In Kent's
Lesser Writings there is an eczema case where he prescribes based on
just the characteristics of the eczema - all local symptoms - and he
uses this case to demonstrate how to prescribe!! Is that a
suppression. No - because what is important is giving something that
is close to the similimum and not how it was found.
What if the condition improves after an initial aggravation but 2
years later the patient ends up with a worse condition? Do we know if
we suppressed the original condition or "cured" it. Realistically
for me "cure" is improving the interaction of the person with what
life throws up - that's all - no body can be protected against
everything and we do not have control over alot of things including
environmental pollution which itself can drag people down.
Sorry for the soap box.
Thanks

to
wonders-
cured and

This is an interesting question:

on 6/19/04 8:01 AM, hahnemannian2002 at hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com wrote:
To answer I think we need to know what happened in between, Perhaps the
original response was indeed curative but in a somewhat local way, and the
central disturbance has continued to worsen?

I had a long, drawn-out experience of what *might* happen when a good, close
palliative is given. After each high-potency dose I got a definite
improvement--tho never quite convincing, seemed to leave some little corner
untouched. But my homeopath was "married" to the idea that this was "my
remedy", and was of the "you don't need to know what it is, just take it"
school of thought so I didn't get to tell him that remedy had already had a
good run in the past. But it was educational in the end: each time a dose
wore off (potencies from 200 to 10M over a period of a year or so), I was in
a little worse shape than before the dose (tho while the remedy was actually
acting, I felt okay, complaints were manageable tho didn't feel to me like a
"simillimum response"). Each wore off rather suddenly, sooner than it
"should" for the circumstances (couple of months for a 200, few months for
1M), but it took him (argh) a year to have to admit that the remedy just
wasn't working out. (And how chagrined was I when he told me what it
was...)

And BTW I do *not* think this was a matter of suppression, but simply "the
natural course of the disease" which was picking up just where it left off
each time (and perhaps even progressing a bit underneath). This is a
distinction that I think Kent made(?), and worth considering -- sometimes
what looks like "suppression" (because the patient has become worse) is
simply the progress of the disease, and has not been worsened by a remedy,
merely failed to be stopped by it.

So now that is something I look for -- when a dose "wears off", does it
leave the person improved (good sigh!), exactly the same (could still be
okay) or worse (change the remedy!)? (This assumes, of course, that you're
evaluating the condition *just* as the remedy has stopped acting -- not
months or years later...)

So, while I definitely agree that one might not be able to tell in the short
run whether a remedy is being curative or palliative (or even suppressive),
as more time goes by, more clues will come up and it's important to be alert
for them.

Shannon

Bob&Shannon wrote:
777 Along these lines sometimes the following will happen as a result of the simile which does not resonate and does not result only in curative response:
"In case your former deep-acting remedy turns out to be wrong at a certain point during the course of the therapy, this may have the following result.
As Hahnemann has described in €182 of his Organon: an imperfectly chosen remedy helps us to find the right remedy by pushing symptoms to the foreground that indicate the next, more suitable homeopathic remedy." (no citation given in RW)

Hahnemann:
§ 182

Thus the imperfect selection of the medicament, which was in this case almost inevitable owing to the too limited number of the symptoms present,
serves to complete the display of the symptoms of the disease, and in this way facilitates the discovery of a second, more accurately suitable,
homœopathic medicine.

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In einer eMail vom 18.06.04 17:12:49 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
apexpreci2000@yahoo.co.in:

<< ear Viorel B Bucur,
Excellent stuff from you. Keep it up. I saw the
lycopodium in front of me ! You almost did a Kent !The
'no sports' angle is new to me. will you elaborate ?
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Venkat
20.6.4.
Well, thanks for the kind appreciation.
Lycopodium is par excellence a cerebral type of person, very strong on this
level. As I mentioned, many politicians on top levels. Lycopodium is "kind to
superiors/hard to inferiors" type of person, very lazy on the physical level,
very arrogant, slippery and aggressively fighting to reach his goals by ALL
means. In this feature it is close to Nux vomica, which is also a career-making
type going over corpses, completely unscrupulous, to reach his position or a
position of command. Nux is but more impulsive and explosive than Lycopodium and
loves beyond everything anal sex (also) with women. Both do have dyspepsia,
Nux really stinking out of his mouth due to fermentation processes in the
stomach due to lack of enough gastric acid in the composition of the gastric juice.
Lycopodium arrogance is enormous, close to Platinum, it just transpires out
of him, just lies in the air, almost to be touched. Central feature however is
cowardness.
It is a person that can not be trusted, like Thuja, while speaking to him one
gets the genuine and unmistakable impression this person lies to him, is not
earnest, tries to hide something all the time. Thuja however is pure luesinic
and gives a lot of cancers like urinary bladder (even polyps, in the first
place benign) and others, quite often cancers developing at borders where 2
different epithelias meet like lipps, anus, cardia, etc. Also Argentum nitricum
gives this kind of tumors.
The standard Lycopodium case is Ca-ca at birth and as a small child, than
gets Ca-ph as a school child and becomes Lycopodium as a teen-ager. Lycopodium
can be given also in small children but seldom, they usually are Ca-ca. Pure
Lycopodium children talk to their parents from upside down, commanding them
around at home and usually answer very unpolite and also in a commanding tone when
asked or told to do something(here also Platinum very close).
Babies may also profit from Lycopodium in some cases of inguinal dermatitis
due to very acid urine and not getting their nuppies changed in time. This
dermatitis is very read, almost burning red, extensive and has clear-cut borders.
Dyspeptic phenopmena in the belly are: upper belly (epigastric) Lycopodium
(males usually must open their trousers due to the pressure-typical feature),
lower belly Carbo vegetalis and whole belly, China.
Lycopodium can eat no oysters - ALWAYS gets sick the next morning after
having oysters the evening before. And they like to drink liquors, liquor in our
sense of the word - made out of fruit and slightly alcoholic - apple, prunes,
lemon, stuff like this. No other drinks.This liquour he drinks even when alone
at home, he enjoys it. he pours a glass, than sits down reading the local
newspaper and especially the gossip column seeking to know which friend or
acquintance got what position where, etc. You understand.
Lycopodium also has a craving for sweeties especially chocolate when tired or
overworked and has headaches when hungry in general, headaches disappearing
immediately after starting to eat. The craveing for sweeties is borrowed from
the Sulphur/Ca-ca line. Kind regards, Dr. medic. Viorel V. Bucur
(www.dr-bucur.com).

In einer eMail vom 19.06.04 02:16:39 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
lalor@ozonline.com.au:

<< dosage is surely worked out on the basis of how much the patient has used
up
the remedy, presrcribe on the basis of need and if you assess he needs
another dose repeat it?

In einer eMail vom 19.06.04 09:45:49 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
christine@dogsonholiday-uk.com:

<< Yes, I've heard similar. But, how do you know the remedy actually cured
and
didn't merely suppress the symptoms?
Christine Wyndham-Thomas
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
20.6.4.
In homeopathy the level of control is the well-being of the patient. If
he/she feels all right than he is healthy in other words, because we do not have
other means of control - at least so far. The rest is deduction work.
Allopathic methods have been used ocasionally to check on homeopathic results
but with mixed conclusions and not convincing enough for "scientific"
criteria. Still the "weak" point of homeopathy today.
There are many patients coming in the first place, getting some remedy and
than disappearing forever. There 2 possibilities : the remedy did not work,
patient was not satisfied, kept on feeling bad out of whatever reason and searches
for another doctor - or - the remedy worked on the spot, patient felt good
and he had no need to come again, at least for a while.
In my experience, the second possibility occurs much more frequent than one
might believe in the first place.
In some cases one can also appreciate the objective situation, how it changed
if it changed to the better/to the worse, the signs together with the
symptoms. The symptoms are always to be appreciated very critical (an old tibetan
saying advises the doctors to believe no patient, because the patient always
tries to trick the doctor out) due to its exclusive subjective character. It is
also a question of mood - patient mood/doctor mood, like in sports, the moment,
the day plays an important role. Tomorrow, it might look different.
Difficult cases must sometimes be worked on twice with a space of 4-6 weeks
in between. Astonishing things do surface sometime. One may think he does have
another person in front of him the second time ...
Kind regards, Dr. medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).