homeopathic vaccinations

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Amity,

I think you should definitely read Isaac Golden's (two?) books, and also see http://homeopathyplus.com.au/category/immunisation/

An interesting topic!!
Shannon

[comdyne2002]

No No No! The concept of vaccination is totally wrong. The Pasteur 'Germ Theory' by which the concept originated was proven wrong at the time it was announced to the world. The pride of France was at stake and we all know how patriotic the French are even marching with their hands over their heads.

The body recognizes foreign protein because they are different, not because of antibodies which only indicates the fact that a battle against something was won or remains in progress. One only needs to look at AIDS the see the fallacy in this concept. Obviously in AIDS antibodies has an entirely different meaning to our scientists.

It is not possible to 'vaccinate' against disease; the body does not need anything to support a strong immune system which will respond on its own when foreign proteins are detected. It is when the immune system is weak that the germs take over and vaccinating a person or animal only compromises the integrity of the body making it more susceptible to disease.

The drug companies are remnants of Nazi Germany that experimented upon concentration camp prisoners to perfect dosages of their nostrums so as to achieve world domination without having to force people at gunpoint into concentration camps for eventual extermination. Now they voluntaruily roll up their sleeves believing that they are being protected from doom, not realizing the evil being done to them. Bayer is so brazen that they didn't bother to change their name. The others, BASF, GAF, Hoechst et al, conspired to control the population through the proliferation of disease thus achieving their objectives without having to use force.

Germs do not cause disease, they are the result of it. Germs arrive from the body itself via the pleomorphic process to become scavengers intended by the Creator to boost the immune system by using such entities to remove infection. If you wish to remain healthy, avoid medical doctors.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHAR ... dustry.htm

No my friends, forget the brainwashing, vaccination is nothing more than an attack on your longevity. Hypodermic needles are the true weapons of mass destruction.

Learn about SIDS and Shaken baby Syndrome known to be caused by vaccination as is Autism. Read 'Every Second Child' by Dr. Archie Kalokerinos.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/every_second_child.html

Carmi Hazen

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[Gail A]

Just a language thing really but for some reason it matters - when you
use homeopathic remedies to protect against a disease, you can call it
immunised but you shouldn't call it vaccinated. Vaccination is reserved
specifically for the vaccines.

Gail
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wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Carmi,
Remember the question was about *homeopathic* "vaccination", which is a different thing in many ways. As far as its effects and effectiveness, you'd be well advised to look at Golden's work, see what his method is (NOT the same as conventional vaccination), and see his 20-year study to see the long-term outcomes--it's quite interesting. I'll say to you what Sheri keeps (quite justifiably ) saying to me on the subject of "the fallacy of germ theory": to argue meaningfully against a theory, you should read some of the material you are arguing against. I do think you will find Golden's *results* interesting!

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Gail, that sounds very reasonable to me--I'll try to remember to use more appropriate terminology.
Shannon

[MM]

Homeopathic nosodes may be considered equivalent to vaccines.
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[Paul Booyse]

Hi Rachel,
but if you use it sparingly, then surely there must be an issue.....?
Regards,
Paul
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[Paul Booyse]

Hi Shannon,
according to homeopathic principles, a remedy could only prevent a natural illness from taking place if it imposed a stronger disease state, similar or dissimilar, than the natural disease. That was Hahnemann's observation of the interaction between natural diseases, if for example someone had a disease and was exposed to similar or dissimilar disease , you read about it in § 36 .
Of course the stronger disease state may be in the dynamic state, as happens when a person takes a potentized remedy, in other words no gross pathology has had chance to develop yet, and if they are lucky enough not to be sensitive and lucky enough not to take prolonged doses of remedy, they might get away with it. But the mechanism is that "homeoprophylaxis" only works if it imposes a stronger disease state on the person.
Now I know Kent spoke about using Tuberculinum is ascending potencies for the child susceptible to TB, but we must be careful not to take what is read as gospel and that he meant this to be a routine guide. Kent was never "routine". We also cannot ask if he really meant this as a general guide for homeoprophyllaxis. I also know Hahnemann spoke about using e.g.. belladonna if scarlet fever was going around, but once again, we cannot take one statement and propose a whole theory from that.
Having said that, there is a place for prevention. I have had good results with malaria prevention. I weigh up the pro's and con's, the detriment of contracting malaria even on allopathic prevention, the allopathic side effects and the patients state of health. I encourage patients to report on any symptoms they might experience. And the feedback is very positive.
The childhood illnesses are another matter and I don't believe they should be prevented, provided the child is constitutionally strong or has had successful constitutional treatment, and that the parents opt for homeopathy with a professional as first option should the child get one of these diseases. I believe they are important developmental opportunities, physically and emotionally. TB, polio etc are too broad to discuss in an email.
Regards,
Paul

[Rachel]

issue?
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From: Paul Booyse
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:14:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] homeopathic vaccinations

Hi Rachel,
but if you use it sparingly, then surely there must be an issue.....?
Regards,
Paul
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[Paul Booyse]

You mentioned you have no issue using it sparingly. But using it sparingly means that there is some reservation, an issue. I was wondering what that was?
Regards,
Paul
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