Minutus

Children in danger?
(Wolf at the door!)

Sounds like Lac lupinum to me!

Patricia

Hooray to this Dr Roz

There has been a lot of talk about fear and a substantial fear (and put
down) about homeopathy not being up to the job of healing someone who has
been damaged by vaccination - not enough proof, horrendous procedures,
inappropriate prophylactics etc.

Although I cannot imagine any homeopath condoning vaccination and we
certainly do need to educate our clients and infuse bravery in those
prepared to take the plunge and reject all/some vaccinations, at the end of
day we have to learn how to treat people who have been damaged - and there
are plenty of homeopaths out there doing a great job on this.

The clients I have who have chosen vaccination must outweigh those who have
rejected it 10:1, easily, but what better healing process than Homeopathy to
bring these people, mainly children, back to health.

Vaccination is not the only evil. What about long term allopathic drugs -
steroids, antibiotics, drugs for epilepsy and asthma, allopathic cancer
treatments - these are all potential killers which people 'choose' to take
on board. It seems pointless to isolate vaccination procedures in the light
of other dangerous practices.

Of course we would prefer our clients to come to us without being damaged by
allopathy but in the real world this is not the case and we have to know how
to treat those who have.

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

That's fascinating! -- no required immunizations in NZ. Has anyone actually studied the incidence of the diseases in question and their consequences in a country where vaccination is not mandatory? Seems potentially like a good argument basis for those of us stuck in countries where vaccination is the only portal to schools, etc... if the data have been compiled somewhere.

Rosemary
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At 12:53 PM 04/15/2004 -0700, you wrote:
actually studied the incidence of the diseases in question and their
consequences in a country where vaccination is not mandatory? Seems
potentially like a good argument basis for those of us stuck in countries
where vaccination is the only portal to schools, etc... if the data have
been compiled somewhere.

Which country is that ? That you are stuck in with vaccination being the
portal to schools?

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Hi Rosemary,

One of the books on immunization (can't remember whose) written maybe ten
years back, is full of wonderful charts showing numbers of cases of various
diseases before and after immunization began. It's quite interesting! What
he shows, very convincingly (to me), is that in *every* instance, numbers of
cases had declined precipitously *before* the vaccination program began.
(Anyone remember which book that is?)

Shannon
on 4/15/04 2:53 PM, Rosemary C Hyde PhD at rosemarychyde@mindspring.com
wrote:

At 04:20 PM 04/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Cases had declined in SOME cases but the KEY is that deaths had declined
greatly before the vaccines.
The incidence of disease isn't as important as the deaths

I'll send more

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Actually, as far as I know, the rate of vaccination in NZ is about 40% only and we have a population that is, in my evaluation, somewhat healthier than the people I treated while working in Europe or Canada.
We have the same type of exposure to junk food, environmental poisons, somewhat more of insecticides and herbicides but no antibiotics or homones in meat and milk, although I am not so sure about poultry.

I think the statistics of the Ministry of Health are open to the public, so it could be a study to compare the general health of different countries.

Yes, we are pretty lucky over here...

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind""

A Shot in the Dark by Harris Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher has a large
Bibliography and lots of stats but no charts.
Sue

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punitive
caused.
digest.

How to Raise a Healthy Child...In Spite of Your Doctor. by Robert S.
Mendelsohn,

has charts as you describe - and a good book to get parents to read

I get around 1 call every 2-3 weeks from parents enquiring about vaccination
issues and partilcularly asking if I do homoeopathic vaccs.-- so here in
Australia, parents are aware of the prophylactic approach and are interested
in using it.

Robyn
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Besides what I sent the list, the book I think Shannon was talking about
was Neil Z. Miller's Vaccines: Are they really safe & effective

But I sent tons

At 04:08 PM 04/15/2004 -0700, you wrote:
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