When is a single remedy not a single remedy?

[Julian Winston]

At 10:11 PM +0000 3/7/04, Anna de Burgo wrote:

You are missing the big picture. And it is NOT just semantics. What
Joe says below is simple: it is PROVED as one.
That means that it has a proving, and, therefore, can be prescribed
upon the basis of similia similibus.
A remedy such as Anas Barb. although a lysate of duck liver and heart
HAS BEEN PROVEN (by Dr. Roy in the 1930s) and the symptoms of the
provings lead to is common use now to treat upper respiratory
conditions.
Most plants, no mater how many constituents they have, have been
PROVEN as a whole plant.
JW

[Hennie Duits]

It seems you overlooked some rather essential points in the Organon. Some
reading might help. All of us.

Hennie

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yes that is the idea.

Explain...........I could use words like synergy or whatever else, the truth of the fact is I do not know. What I do know is that the totality is bigger than the sum of the parts, and that applies to almost everything.
But how and why, a real explanantion, I cannot give you. It exists and I use it. If somebody can explain it, I am all ears.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

We see that in herbalism where there is chemical precipitation but 2 substances reacting to each other.
I doubt it would happen even at low potencies, chemically; as for energetical interaction, we are again in the realm of hypothesis with no objective way to prove it, as far as I know.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

[Shannon Nelson]

I think that both herbalists and makers of some of the mixed remedies talk
about "synergistic" effects; I think that any time you have a "combination",
you have the possibility of the parts affecting (modifying or enhancing or
cancelling) each other, and thus the combination becoming either more or
less than the sum of the parts.
on 3/7/04 5:35 PM, Anna de Burgo at annadeburgo@hotmail.com wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Oop, sorry, I just sent another saying basically the same thing (didn't
realize this had gotten sent)... Some e.g.s: Since nux-v antidotes certain
(many?) remedies, what happens if you make a combo of nux-v *and* a remedy
that it antidotes? Does each still act separately, or does the nux modify
or cancel the effect of the other remedy? Etc. It's not an area I know
much about, but I know that "synergistic effects" are sought after and used
by some folks. Maybe someone else can add more.

Shannon
on 3/7/04 5:40 PM, Anna de Burgo at annadeburgo@hotmail.com wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

My thought/understanding was more to do with energetic interaction, and I
don't know enough about any of it to defend the idea, but thought it was
well-accepted in herbalism. E.g. (digging thru my memory banks) I read that
adding a small amount of cayenne to an herbal mixture "enhances" the effects
of the other components. Which I guess takes me beyond the bounds of what I
actually know (smile), so I should probably leave it at that!

Shannon
on 3/7/04 6:13 PM, Dr.J Rozencwajg at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

In herbalism it is based on known physiological effect; in the example you gave, cayenne pepper is a circulatory enhancer, increases the blood flow to all organs, hence increases the delivery of the other herbs to the target organs.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

[Julian Winston]

At 1:19 AM +0100 3/8/04, Hennie Duits wrote:

Indeed.
If more people would read this book, and then operate by it, we would
save lots of argument.

The word Homeopathy was coined by Hahnemann to describe a system of
therapeutics.
Since the system was based upon giving ill people a substance that
can, in a well person, cause similar symptoms to the illness, he used
the word that is made of two words: Homoeios (can't get the digraph
ligatures!) = similar and Pathos= suffering.

Inherent in the system is the fact that the medicinal substances used are:
PROVEN (to ascertain the symptoms)
MATCHED TO THE SUFFERING (the similia principle)
GIVEN SINGLY (the single remedy in the minimum dose)

These are the basic tenets of the system. They are spelled out
clearly in the Organon. They define HOMEOPATHY.

A substance prepared by serial dilution and succussion, while using
the same method of preparation as advocated by Hahnemann, is NOT
homeopathic in and of itself.
The homeopathicness exists ONLY when given in accordance to the law
of similars.
Giving Sulphur 12c for a case of contused injury is NOT homeopathy.

The problem arises when those who ARE homeopaths, begin to step
outside this definition (because some understand health and disease a
bit differently) and they begin to use potentized substances in
non-homeopathic ways (isopathy, tautopathy as two examples). Some of
these experiments work (i.e., the patients get better) and the method
is then used by other. Because the shingle on the door says
"Homeopath" they make the error in logic and decide that if THEY do
it, it must be "homeopathy."
And THAT is the error.
A homeopath using non-homeopathic tools is not using homeopathy.
I am not saying it doesn't work and achieve cures. I am saying that
it does NOT fit the definition as laid down in the primary source--
The Organon.
Lets have some intellectual honesty here!

JW

[Sheri Nakken]

You keep missing the aspect of proving

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