What is true?

[Shannon Nelson]

Hm, after I wrote my first reply to this, I noticed what I assume to have
been a typo of Paul's, and which I assume to have been recognized as such by
HomeoBond. The phrase "healthy patient" should presumably have read
"healthy person". Both because we are not seeking to create symptoms in a
patient (but rather in a prover) and because patients by definition tend not
to be quite healthy, else they would not be patients (generally speaking).

May I safely assume you are not asking to have the term "healthy" explained
to you, but were merely pointing out the typo?

S
on 10/11/03 8:45 PM, Homeo Bond 007 at homeobond007@hotmail.com wrote:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yeah, that is typical hair splitting from a guy who does not dare identify himself or give the URL of his alleged website.
He has consistently demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the basics of homeopathy that should be known even if he tries to debunk it (fair enough...), a cowardly behaviour and decidedly a lack of intelligence in the way he is asking the questions and reacts to the answers.
I do not think he is worth reacting to or answering, even though of course he will construe this as an inability to answer his questions.
I have debated with ferocious enemies of homeopathy who showed more brain...... don't waste your time, although he is funny in his crooked way.......

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind""

[Shannon Nelson]

on 10/11/03 8:37 PM, Homeo Bond 007 at homeobond007@hotmail.com wrote:
"Hate" would be far too strong a term, but many of us have become very
annoyed by your "ring the doorbell and run" game.
Sigh, and *why* did we start ignoring you?
Because (patient sigh) after we (several of us) put *lots* of time into
penning lengthy and thoughtful responses to your (sometimes even
interesting) questions, you made no response to us. Let's all ignore each
other -- it saves so much time! And if your questions aren't motivated by
any actual interest, it all becomes a terrific waste.
But if you behave on those forums the way you behave on these, they will
shortly realize that your credibility rating is, um, not very high.
Then why ask us? Self-fulfilling prophecies become so tedious...
Why not save your questions for people for whom you have some modicum of
respect, and whose answers would carry some possible interest or assistance
for you? You find us a useless waste of time, so why keep wasting our time?
Are you getting paid for it, or do you just so desperately need a hobby?
What earthly use is that, to anyone. IMO it is all the more reason not to
treat your questions seriously, as they are obviously *not* serious
questions! At least, not serious questions to you, the asker.
I don't understand. So you are "asking" as a thin disguise for "telling" us
things?
Dunno what you mean here. Can you explain it?
Ah, but when you say that *we* hate you, you are actually hating yourself!
Makes sense to me; *I* don't hate you (tho I find your posts awfully
annoying, it's true!), so it must be you that is hating you, since you seem
to feel that *somebody* is. Well, that seems at least as logical as
whatever you were just saying...
So you claim, tho the evidence seems to go against that, unless by "this
field" you mean not homeopathy, but something else.
You also claimed that we would all recognize your name, and offered to tell
us who you are, but have never done so.
Would you like to give us more details about any of this?
Some of your questions have been.
These latest ones, however, weren't.

If you want to be treated respectfully, then treat *us* respectfully.
You certainly haven't done so, thus far.

What is your reason for being here?
You are not learning from us, you are not teaching us; you are taking our
words to spread misunderstanding and bad feelings elsewhere, and I do not
understand why. Can you explain?

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Actually, I see it as lack of *will* to understand, rather than lack of
ability. I think he may be smart enough, but for some reason he is
determined to find the angles that *don't* make sense, instead of the ones
that do. I would love to reconcile that (true? not true?) observation with
his claim to be a practicing homeopath. Perhaps he's lying? Or perhaps
he's disillusioned? Perhaps his training was not quite up to the demands of
his practice? Perhaps he's doing just fine with his patients, but doesn't
like his colleagues? Or doesn't like people at all? Or maybe someone's
just paying him well enough to be a "fly in the ointment". Beats me... I
don't think he's a dummy, I just think he's got some really odd agenda going
on, but who knows...

Shannon
on 10/11/03 10:08 PM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg. MD. PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

[Paul Booyse]

No .... First read your organon ... and not just aphorism 9. And it WAS NOT
MY STATEMENT BUT YOURS THAT I REPLIED TO .

If you want me to teach you, I first need to know what you know and don't
know. That is part of being unprejudiced. So you tell me what is a healthy
patient.

And PLEASE stop hitting reply to all as it generates 2 posts to minutus. For
help on email etiquette, ask the people on the other lists you post to
should they be net/tech type lists.

Paul

[Paul Booyse]

Hi Shannon,

by
not

Yeah a typo, after trying to decipher the english and exactly understand the
nature of the question as it seemed so incredulous. Nevertheless, when we
intend the administration of a remedy to a person, sick or healthy, they
become our "patient" and we have a responsibility to monitor the changes in
health. And some provers experience an increase in health upon taking the
remedy.

Regards,
Paul

[Julian Winston]

At 1:37 AM +0000 10/12/03, Homeo Bond 007 wrote:

If you behaved like a decent human being-- like telling us your name
and where you are-- it might be a start.
Generally, homeopaths (this list and the homeolist list) HAVE
answered your questions-- and have answered them well. But YOU don't
seem to understand the answers. So you report that "I asked
homeopaths and they couldn't answer this" is a false statement. The
homeopaths answered it fine. YOU didn't understand it.
I have a STRONG objection to anyone using MY replies without MY permission.
Which field? Certainly not homeopathy! If you were, then you would
answer these 400 lists yourself, not to mention being an active
participant in the wonderful ongoing dialogue that happens here, only
to be interrupted by your often inane questions.
Which field are you in? Certainly not the one outside my house!
I HAVE been in the homeopathic field for about 25 years. Over that
time, I have gotten to meet a lot of people, both in person and
through correspondence. I find that we are a friendly community. We
have good talks, lots of laughs, and good parties when we get
together. We are FRIENDS-- even with the folks with whom we often
disagree.
I know them, and they know me.
I do NOT know you. I (and others) have asked for an identification,
and you refuse. Even the person who had the ID of "e14...something"
would divulge his identity when an individual asked.
I do not know many people who would be willing to dialogue with a
faceless individual for any length of time.
I think that I have given you far more than you are capable of giving me.
If you want to write to your lists that homeopaths won't answer
you... well, you got yourself to blame.
Tell us who you are or leave the damn list.
The only reason I reply to your inanities is for the benefit of those
who are lurking here who might have a modicum of brains and deserve
to have some sense made of questions you ask.

JW

[Catherine Creel]

Homeo Bond said:


** In other words, you take the original writings of people, remove their
names, and post them or part of them under your name thereby plagiarizing
their work.
Did you know that all posts sent to lists are automatically protected under
copyright law? Using these posts with the express permission of the authors
is illegal.

Catherine

[Nancy Siciliana]

People--you are giving 007 exactly what he wants....lots of your time, for
free.

Fine for you--but hell, I have to put up with him too!! I don't want to read
his letters and I don't want to open up your letters responding to his
repetitive inanities. We know he's a troll. Enough already.

Just ignore him, okay? If his feelings are hurt by this, he'll have even
more reason to pester someone else.

Nancy

[Nancy Siciliana]

We already established that Homeobond is posting and misrepresenting
individual homeopaths on different mailing lists and different bulletin
boards. He has quoted people's writings out of context in this way, and has
placed them in situations in other forums in order to discredit them. This
is bad enough...but then using their writings and representing them as his
own is just plain illegal, too.

So, once again, how about we put a stop to this nonsense and simply not
respond to his postings?