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Dear Rochelle, as I have said before I like to take a case back to where it
really begins and I think that anyone who has a tendency to develop a septic
condition (which seemed severe enough to have part of her colon removed)
then this has to be an important part of the case and I would be looking at
this area very carefully - I was moving towards Pyrogen

Regards, Joy
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Hi Joy,
You wrote


Would you give Pyrogen although it is not indicated at the present time? I have never done anything like this.
These are the indications of Pyrogen that I think of :-



I did give it to the lady who had boils from the waxing because she was starting with a fever. I then followed with Gunpowder which brought the condition to cure.

Regards
Rochelle
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To GEastwood - been there , done that and it seemed to coincide with her going back to work!! Yet now she has a part time job and all she wants to do now is to work full time and bring money into the home. She has a fear of poverty.

I just wonder if she really wants to work or if she would prefer to be a housewife and have the home fastidiously clean and tidy which is want she endeavours to do now despite her tiredness.
It's all got to hinge on this somehow.

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Rochelle
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Dear Rochelle, I can see quite a bit of Pyrogen in this case, not just the
history of - mainly around the consuming anxiety and worrying state she is
in - also has a connection with money which is coming through in your case.
Also the ongoing smell about her, her love of meat (remember what Pyrogen
is) and also lovs the sun but temperature rises rapidly, so they feel both
extremes. Rolls the head around and the heart is also affected, plus
appendicitis and chronic complaints from septic conditions.

Fear of poverty, desires to be at home (which you wrote in another post) -
you think of Bryonia which is complementary to Pyrogen and which brings us
back to the Nat Mur link.

It is possible (but we mustn't assume anything) that the simillimum will
bring out that old fever, i.e. take you back to that point of the case. You
can only prescribe it now if you feel it is completely indicated.

I also feel that when she says "the children are a burden" that this is the
reality which is creating her depression - a sort of chicken and egg
situation - she says they were planned and is happy but then one would, most
of the time because it is awful to admit to it being otherwise. She admits
to guilt and maybe this is at the core but she can't actually say it - this
is her silent grief. Careful questioning mght be necessary. She also hints
at there being more by saying she is concerned about others reading too much
into it - this, to me, means there is more to it. But I don't want to get
into amateur psychology.

When you do decide on a remedy I also would keep the potency low.

Can I ask what her voice is like, how does she actually speak and does her
'nerviness' show in any other physical expression?

Hope this helps, best wishes, Joy
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Thanks for your thoughts Shannon. She does seem to have been in this exhausted state for 6 years. Her kids are healthy from what I gather and the birth was fine. I will enquire about this wanting to help stuff when I see her next.
Since she has been seeing me she has improved in that a couple of times she has had a good 3 or 4 days before she goes back down again. To her this is amazing.
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Rochelle
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Thanks Joy for your thoughts on the case. I really don't think I feel brave enough to give her Pyrogen and then have to put up with a resulting fever!!!! The smell around her I have to admit is like boiled beef. This time she came at 9.30 a.m. One time I had to get the air spray to the room before my next patient.

You wrote:-


Her voice is quiet, quite hurried and intense. It sometimes wavers. When she talks it is like someone questioning and requiring answers in a desperate manner. In fact maybe that is how she talks , in a nervous sounding desperate way. She leans forward - like Phos and has sparkly eyes, like Phos and I have to say really doesn't look ill!! She isn't restless. She doesn't talk in a weary manner, just very quietly. She doesn't want to go on anti depressants which is all the doctor will offer her. Her husband will also have nothing to do with anti depressants and I think she may be influenced by him.

I don't know if any of this helps.

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Hi Joy,

Once again your view of the remedy far outstrips the info I have! My rep
doesn't show pyrog in anything about fear of poverty or wanting to stay
home. If you have the time, I would love to hear your "expanded" picture of
pyrogen! (Do others have it in these rubrics, in what rep, for curiosity?)

Thanks!
Shannon
on 2/22/03 6:40 AM, Joy Lucas at joylucas_speaktv@hotmail.com wrote:

Dear Shannon, apologies, I think it is just the way you read this - the
poverty and home issues I inserted as a mention from another post of
Rochelle's - it was a way of bringing in remedy relationships i.e. Bry and
Nat Mur with Pyrogen.

However Pyrogen does have issues about wealth

Best wishes, Joy
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Dear Rochelle, I think this smell issue is interesting, I seem to remember
from before that she has always had this (like stew you once said is that
correct?) Is there any way that you can mention this to her to make sure if
it is either something or nothing. Pyrogen tends to be quite talkative,
sometimes very talkative and nearly always restless.

Also do you have any details about how she recovered from the colon op and
any details about how the appendix became septic etc.

The words she used to describe herself "the house is my downfall" is
extraordinary, and I would certainly be using the house/home rubrics -
House, being in >>> includes Ign and Cyclamen which I think Wendy suggested
- worth looking at - timid, nodding heads, very easily fatigued, lots of
guilt re: duty etc but they loathe meat, so how important is her craving for
meat? Cyclamen affects the digestive system and female organs. Very often
compared to Pulsatilla.

Regards, Joy
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Since I have not been following this thread closely, I apologize if I am
covering areas already addressed. But in reading over the case notes, I find
it interesting that the depression seems to have occurred after going back
to work, not after delivery. While PND can occur several months post natal,
most apparently are within the first month. If things really went down after
the return to work, I would explore that in greater detail. This fits with
the "I just want to be well enough to go back to work". There seems to be a
strong focus on work/money/duty. I believe Ignatia was suggested as a
remedy. Of course, one facet of Ign is the conflict between work and
motherhood. I would also be interested in why she avoids confrontation.

just a couple of (better late than never, I hope) thoughts.

Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
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