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Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:42 am
by Phosphor
mental disease as "one-sided", and why Andrew >makes the leap (or apparently
does) to the idea that it's >incurable...

??? when did i say this? i stated that in these cases it is more fruitful to
look into the past for characteristic symptoms. this is useful if the
disease is actually one of the Vf and not nutritional disturbance etc.

andrew

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:04 am
by Joy Lucas
Dear Shannon, I don't think there is any real mystery about 'one sided'
diseases - they are just cases with extremely few symptoms and they don't
happen very often, even Hahnemann says they are rare. He quotes such
examples of a headache of many years duration, or a diarrhoea of long
standing, but they can come in any shape or form, but usually chronic.

More importantly Hahnemann says there can be too few symptoms because the
practitioner cannot see them, cannot discern them - this is why it is so
dangerous to decide beforehand that some symptoms are going to be
insignificant, or the case is untreatable - this is theoretical prescribing
and is dangerous, not only for Homeopathy but for all concerned. The case is
what it is, you must individualise.

Further, Hahnemann does say that the few sx available in one sided diseases
are likely to be violent and severe (not always the case in my opinion) and
that other symptoms are indistinct but perceptible. So it just means that
your work is cut out for you. Other symptoms are and will be perceptible,
you just have to watch, listen and pay pedantic attention to detail.

Best wishes, Joy

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:31 pm
by Tanya Marquette
andrew,

I think we either do not agree or are on different wave lengths. I do not necessarily think that
counseling is the answer to cases of M/E origin as you are saying. Homeopathy is a very
powerful tool in such cases and too often is much more potent than simple counseling which
allows people to hang on to their defense mechanisms all too well.

on your second point, i have already sent a post this morning dealing with this so I will chose
not to be redundant here.

tanya

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:29 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Sh, sorry.
Dunno how I mixed that up! In that case, I'm with you...
Shannon

on 1/22/03 3:32 PM, Phosphor at phosphor@hotkey.net.au wrote:

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:33 pm
by Paul Booyse
Hello Andrew,
physical

Lets look at this closely. Its dealing with the concept of orthomolecular
nutrition and biochemic individuality, a term coined by Roger Williams.
Basically, it implies that the daily requirements for nutrients vary from
person to person. Its the basic argument against RDA's. One person needs
100mg Vitamin C daily and another person needs 10000mg daily. This is over
and beyond any errors of lifestyle such as smoking etc. Its to do with
genetic makeup. Likewise in the treatment of Schizophrenia, the patient
needs large daily doses of Niacin. (refer Carlton Fredericks etc.)

Yes a person on "starvation diet" e.g. in a 3rd world country is simply not
even getting the "RDA". But in the cases of schizophrenia, the patient may
be eating relatively OK. But not sufficient for their requirements. Now
why are their requirements more than the next persons? Individuality -
which classifies them as having a disorder, or disease. Perhaps a
malabsorption problem, perhaps an enzyme deficiency. That is still a
disease on the physical plane. Not all "physical diseases" have to manifest
on the physical plane where we can "see them:". A liver dysfunction may
show up with signs of nausea and fatigue.

The new fad is of course a "serotonin deficiency", treatable with SSRI's or
with 5HTP. The 5HTP approach would be the orthomolecular approach since it
is the serotonin precursor. Then again, haven't many SSRI patients been
treated successfully with homeopathy?

The nutrional concern you raise is only of concern in a patient who doesn't
get any amount of a certain nutrient (such as the sailors who developed
scurvy). We need food. But where the food we need is out of proportion to
what we can probably even digest, we have disease and we need homeopathy.

More to follow, but before I go, I never meant to imply blue eyes blonde
hair is a requirement for Pulsatilla. There was a typo in that it should
have said
"Same as the "blue eyed /blonde hair" which COULD be one of the factors in a
choice of pulsatilla as Rx"

I mean, you have to realize I practice in Africa :-)

Paul

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:45 pm
by Tanya Marquette
so what is the incidence of Pulsatilla cases in Africa

tanya

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:57 am
by Paul Booyse
Hello Tanya,
Just as indispensable as it probably is in Switzerland.

I use it across board. irrespective of race, and yes maybe in my "pale
faces" (quote from Tonto to the line ranger), the pulsatillas are more
blonde/blue eyed than otherwise, but one can never let that prejudice the
case.

Regards,
Paul

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:01 pm
by Tanya Marquette
that's what i thought. i find so much cultural bias in the physical descriptions of remedies that
i often find them hard to believe.

i also concur with you (from another post) that negative emotions that may arise in treatment
do not necessarily signal the "original" core personality. i think it is quite common that when
treating people who have sufferred from repressed anger, for example, there comes a period
when they have to experience the release of anger and learn how to handle living with that
emotion. I think this works just as much for feelings of tenderness in people who have never
been able to express that side of themselves. there is an awkwardness and often an
exaggeration and sometimes mis-expression (if i can use this word). it's as if they are like a
child playing dress up and trying the feeling on for size and learning to grow into it. the
exaggeration of expression of anger in no way automatically signals a core state of meaness,
but a condition that still needs monitoring and healing.

tanya

Re: mentals diseases

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:47 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I think this is a really good point, Tanya!
Deep change definitely can need a good "learning period". This might be a
good time to encourage the patient to just talk about the issues, about what
the changes feel like, give them a chance to explore verbally, and give them
the frame of reference that they are on a "growth journey"!

Shannon
on 1/25/03 4:31 AM, tanya marquette at tamarque@frontiernet.net wrote: