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cause that. I certainly won't say "impossible", simply because so
much is unknown (about his case and about life in general!), but I've
surely never heard of anything like that from an LM!

That's what I wondered. Do you think this shows a sign of being
hyper-sensitive to remedies, and could this possibly be an
aggravation or even a proving?



I spoke to her before she gave it and she told me about the
instructions she was given to dilute it in water, I don't remember
the exact amounts but it was certainly along the lines of 4 oz water
then administer 1/2 or 1 teaspoon.



Absolutely, I would have too. It's sad because at the beginning of
this case, topical steroids were rarely needed and certainly oral (to
my knowledge) had not ever been used.



I think my sister is quite frightened about using homeopathy again.
I feel (without having a definite conversation with her yet) that she
will not want to try this again. I can't really blame her, it's been
a fairly horrific experience for her. She also has little faith in
the homeopath she has been using, so as to whether she will want to
try another one is very debateable at this point.

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This could be the case, however my sister has always maintained that
topical steroids were only rarely applied. I will have to ask the
question again. I also read through David Little's chapter on the
Sensitivity Scale last night, and it does sound like my nephew is a
classic hypersensitive case.

So, given the fact that Sulphur is cited for inflammation of joints,
and my nephew is likely to be a hypersensitive case with low
vitality, and had also been given steroids (and of course countless
bouts of antibiotics...) it's very likely that he aggravated on the
Sulphur LM1, and likely aggravated on the Silicea that was given
previously (and he ended up being given steroids after that too). Oh
dear!

Will the oral and topical steroids that he's now on (I assume she
means both when she says steroids, he was bad enough for the doctor
to say he should be admitted) antidote the affects of the Sulphur
aggravation?

If my sister really doesn't want to try homeopathy again, is this
current incursion into it likely to affect his body's future efforts
to shed this problem, ie if he's one of those children inclined
to 'grow out of it?' I'm just trying to anticipate questions she is
likely to ask me when I next call her.

I feel absolutely dreadful for her. She was desperate to curb this
problem before he starts school (oh and here I admit to being
completely wrong on his age, he is roughly 4 1/2, not 3 yo - I'm such
a bad auntie!) I'm truly hoping the steroids won't see the problem
come back worse than before when they are stopped.

Thanks for all your help
Becky

Hi Becky,

Probably by now you've seen my other post, saying that even LMs *can*
aggravate a patient on steroids. But if oral steroids had not been used,
maybe that's not a factor after all... I don't have experience with that,
am looking forward to others' answers! Also, re symptoms coming back when
steroids are stopped, that also I don't know.

Below:

You wrote:

Do you think this shows a sign of being

I guess first question is whether it could be, as Russell suggested, a
simple worsening, something that was brewing anyway, and the remedy merely
failed to stop it? Or am I right in my impression that the worsening was
very sudden, and definitely *did* seem connected with the remedy? If it
really *was* caused by the remedy, then I'd say that definitely would
indicate hypersensitivity. Whether topical steroids could cause this, I
don't know.
Notice my re-post from Will Taylor about the *ultra*conservative dosing he
uses for pts on steroids, and the reason...
How very sad, but yes, understandable...
You might pass on the info re double- and triple-diluting, problems with
aggs from steroids, just in case she's ready to try again in the future?

If you want to pass on nutritional suggestions I could offer some of those
for the meantime -- ask privately, if you want.

What sort of shape was he in before receiving any remedy? How old is he
now, and for how long had he had the eczema? Has he been healthy in other
ways, and how about temperament? I'm afraid I'm asking mostly just for
curiosity, wish I had more useful thoughts...

Shannon

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He became cold internally and began shivering, though felt warm to
touch, the day after the remedy was administered. The actual
inflammation of the joints rendering him incapable of walking did not
occur until 11 days after having had the remedy.



I most definitely will let her know. I plan to call her this weekend
to talk through everything.



Thanks very much for the offer, I'll take you up on it should we need
to, but in the meantime I think it would be easier for her to contact
someone in NZ. She doesn't have email and it could get very
expensive for me to keep calling 



Again, having not actually seen him for over two years (they live on
the other side of the world to me) I can't say with any level of
confidence, but from what I have been told, his eczema before the
remedy was not too bad, only requiring ocassional steroid cream –
though I know that it's difficult to remember the day to day levels
of discomfort, unless a diary is kept to jot these down. He is 4 ½
yo now, he is definitely not the healthiest of children, lots of
coughs and colds and LOTS of antibiotics, glue ear etc. A classic
case really. His temperament is emotional, very changeable,
apparently he fitted the sulphur picture very well. I'm sorry I
can't tell you more…



I was always under the impression that any steroid usage is
considered suppressive.



Yes, we're working on vitamins, EFAs, herbs. I'll have to do some
research into adrenals as I'm wasn't aware of the part they play in
skin problems. I'll suggest the other therapies as well when I call
her.

Thank you so much for your help, it's most appreciated!

Becky

Hi Becky,

on 1/7/03 10:06 AM, becklesfield at
becklesfield@yahoo.com wrote:
Yes, always suppressive. But suppression doesn't necessarily lead to
violent rebound; that's more likely if the suppression been longer.
Probably also more likely with high sensitivity, but maybe less likely from
low VF... I'm only guessing.

Like you, I'm not aware of specific connection between adrenals and skin
problems, but they have *great* relevance to the oversensitivity and general
"unwellness". Adrenals function to maintain homeostasis (aka "stability"!)
in the face of any "challenge" (i.e. "stress). This obviously has a great
bearing on his response to any treatment, homeopathic and otherwise, and
also on emotional resilience and immune system function. Any effective
treatment he receives will help out the adrenals indirectly (by lessening
stress level), but IME it can be awesomely helpful to *also* give specific
support to the adrenals (e.g. certain herbs, certain vitamins), as an
adjunct to whatever else is being done.

Once he is/if he were gotten onto his needed remedy, specific adrenal
support would presumably become unnecessary, but in the meantime it could be
very helpful.
Very welcome!
Hope things work out for them soon.
Best wishes,
Shannon