Minutus

On that principle (small trouble goes away, and replaced by a worse one) I
certainly agree. The issue is whether it was "replaced", or not... The
situation as given doesn't seem to make it certain whether these two things
(one getting better and the other getting worse) were causally related, or
only temporally (i.e., coincidence of timing).

And, in the context of the "teaching" that comes out of this sort of case, I
guess I feel more comfortable about using it to "introduce issues", and
explain the concerns, e.g. the concept of suppression (and let the dog's
owner draw her own conclusion, or not), rather than saying, Yep, looks like
you gave your dog cancer!

Maybe she did, but as I said, I think it unlikely that a combo remedy would
do that. Perhaps not impossible, but unlikely; and I prefer to let her draw
her own conclusions about what may have happened *in this particular case*.
Without more info about e.g. the dog's prior state of vitality, how that
changed (or didn't) during the course of dosing with the combo, and
(importantly) for how long and how frequently the dosing was done...
Without all that at a minimum, I don't think we really have a basis for
coming to a decision, and I personally would prefer not to play "judge and
jury" on an issue such as whether a "parent's" (albeit different species!)
good intentions led to cancer. I just don't feel comfortable going there,
and I think we have done the necessary "teaching" already, without adding in
the level of guilt and blame.

Okay, there's my objectivity out the window...

Best wishes,
Shannon

---Thank you Dr. Swift for your candid reply...I was worried about
just this thing. Aileen. In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. R. Swift"
wrote:
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I am not a veterinarian. However, if this dog contracted hip dysplasia at
the age of two (as deduced from the message below), it would appear to me
that there are many hereditary problems going on here. The German Shepherd,
unfortunately, is notorious for having many common congenital defects,
including heart problems and kidney and bladder disease as well as HD. Given
that the dog was chronically ill and on a pain relief program from such an
early age, how realistic is it to assume that the current state of affairs
is attributable to a homeopathic combination, and would not have happened in
any case? It is a simple fact that many pedigree dog breeds are riddled with
chronic disease and cancer is increasing all the time.

George A. Kaplan
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I am not a veterinarian. However, from the message below one quickly deduces
that the dog in question suffered from hip dysplasia from a relatively early
age (2 years). German Shepherds are notorious for developing a range of
hereditary conditions, of which HD is one of the most common, but also
including heart disease, bladder and kidney problems, and so on. Based on
the fact that this unfortunate dog was evidently suffering from quite
serious chronic disease from a young age, how realistic is it to attribute
its subsequent development of cancer and other problems to a recently-given
homeopathic remedy? Is it not more probable that, like so many other dogs
that are the victims of poor breeding standards, the dog developed this
problem irrespective of any treatment?

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Aileen, from all that I have read on this thread so far, it sounds more likely that the "homeopathic" vet who dispensed the combo remedies may have misdiagnosed the dog, mistaking a tumor on the spleen for a "swollen and misplaced liver." In other words, the combo remedy for arthritis did not cause the tumor by suppressing the arthritis but a pre-existing tumor was permitted to grow larger because it went undetected. (I know zip about animal anatomy, so any veterinarians out there, please feel free to correct me!)

Having said that, I'll add that many years ago a dog of mine, elderly to be sure, died of a heart attack a month or two after receiving butazolidin for her arthritis. That's an Abrotanum picture, but I didn't know then about homeopathy or the disease metastases characteristic of that particular remedy.

I wish you the best in treating your dog. Dr. Ramakrishnan's technique of alternating an organ-specific remedy with a nosode is very powerful, but his plussing method requires a daily commitment from the patient of 2 and a half hours, and I'm not sure how you'd adapt it to a dog. Any vets out there with experience treating according to Dr. Ramakrishnan's methods?

Peace,
Cinnabar

--- Cinnabar! I tend to agree with you as well about the
'misdiagnosis' of the swollen and misplaced liver. Sad, as I would
have been given 6 months of a 'jump' on it had it been correctly
diagnosed..and we have confirmed at this point the liver is completely
unaffected. Still I wonder, did I 'cause harm' by keeping up with the
12-combo hip dysplasia remedy? I don't think I will every positively
know that answer for sure. Thank you for your generous input here,
Blessings, Aileen.
In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "DMH" wrote:
more likely that the "homeopathic" vet who dispensed the combo
remedies may have misdiagnosed the dog, mistaking a tumor on the
spleen for a "swollen and misplaced liver." In other words, the combo
remedy for arthritis did not cause the tumor by suppressing the
arthritis but a pre-existing tumor was permitted to grow larger
because it went undetected. (I know zip about animal anatomy, so any
veterinarians out there, please feel free to correct me!)
elderly to be sure, died of a heart attack a month or two after
receiving butazolidin for her arthritis. That's an Abrotanum picture,
but I didn't know then about homeopathy or the disease metastases
characteristic of that particular remedy.

--- ###Hello Shannon & Marleen! First, I must thank you so very
much for your thorough & kindly responses. Your generosity of spirit
is overwhelming to me I have indeed found and have been
corresponding these past few days with a highly recommended, very well
respected(wonderful Classical Homeopathic Vet who hails from
California. After several days of a very thorough case-taking,(by
phone & email) tonight the good Dr. has come up with his choice of
remedy...Guesses??Guesses???(first let me add I too came up with
ceanothus Americanus(the 'spleen' connection) and also Arsenicum
Alb(the vital force connection)BUT The Dr.'s 'chosen' remedy is to
be : SULPHER 12C(single dose in water, twice diluted)and I will be in
touch with him in 3-5 days with an update(sooner if I deem it
necessary) I am not entirely surprised as Shane has in the past been
called a 'Sulpher Boy'...but was never prescribed sulpher before. I
truly believe that Shane's problems began long before I was blessed to
find him at 16 months as we found he was vaccinated if you pardon
the expression, up the wazoo since he was only 6 weeks old. Even my
own allopathic vet actually 'whistled' when he first saw Shane's
vaccination schedule upon his arrival to me. I am almost certain he
has suffered most of his life from his various ailments due to this
travesty of over-vaccination. I ask you, what insanity demands you
vaccinate YEARLY, starting at 6 weeks of age,for almost every
possible disease known to that particular species for their entire
life? A species which life spans aprox. 10-15 years only? My heart
breaks for those pets who's custodians still believe this is a 'good
thing'for their beloved pets. As for Shane,he is a very easy going,
happy guy. if he didn't have that little marble sized lump on his tail
I wanted checked out, I would have never known what was going on
inside him(spleen tumour, enlarged heart)as he has showed absolutely
no slowing down, no sign of illness whatsoever(except that tail lump
and of course, his severe hip dysplasia) I am a fine oil 'animal
portrait artist' and highly intuitive, so I tend to notice the
slightest differences in the 'face'(and body) of my furkids and he
showed me nothing out of the ordinary. My studio is in my home so I am
here and watch them 24/7. As for his 'wellness' in other areas,I live
far out into the quietude of the countryside, 7 of our 32 acres fenced
for the dogs which they have free access to as much 'playtime'as they
wish. They are on a biologically appropriate raw food diet,(breed
specific) with supplements, though now, I will need to look into a
more specific diet for Shane's 'recovery':-)) To this end, again, I
must thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time to pose
thought-provoking questions and suggest sites for me to peruse for his
care. I am a stranger, who came here vulnerable and more than just
a little 'afraid' with Shane's diagnosis and you have reached out and
made me feel welcome and steered me well. In the Spirit of the
Holidays, God Bless you and may 2003 bring you and your families
Health,Peace,Joy,Love and Prosperity. Sincerely, Aileen W. Donovan.
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