ADVICE PLEASE

[andyh]

Dear Joy,
Thanks for writing a kind response to my post re: Jill's interesting case. Hydrogen would seem to be the front runner, after a couple of cycles of contributions by List members.

((((((())))))) Quick survey of this rubric:
===========
MIND; PHILOSOPHY; ability for: anac., dream-p ("dreaming potency"), halo., hep., hydrog., lach., nit-ac., olib-sac (olibanum sacrum; (Boswellia carteri; (frankincense?)), sulph (2), vacuum, verat..

Subrubric:
reveries, great inclination to philosophic: dream-p, hydrog, sulph, vacuum

Sources:
Complete Repertory: anac., halo., hep., hydrog., lach., nit-ac., sulph.
Synthesis Repertory: anac, "dreaming potency", hep, hydrog, lach, nit-ac, olibanum sacrum (frankincense?), Sulph(2), verat
Addition from proving of Vacuum (Nuala Eising): Vacuum
===========

Left in this wonderful rubric to look at (see *)

**anac-abusive stuff is sketchily in the case, and a feeling of somehow being abused
--dream-p- dont know anything about this remedy, and dont yet have synthesis on computer to analyze-anybody?
--halo-assume this is halothane, the anesthetic; may be worth a quick check
--hepar-not too much for this
**hydrogen-Delusion old provides a second strong peculiar symptom
--lach-not much
*nit-ac- she has a resentment of the husband and the in-laws. Dont know if this can be equated with the nit-ac picture; the analysis of fulfillment (and lack therof) given by Joy is some evidence
**olib-sac- Russell repertorization sounds really suggestive, but need someone with radar to provide all the
rubrics for this one, and any other info
--sulph(2)- not much
*Vacuum-great new proving--It is a cynical person with longing for harmony, delusion immortal, del being watched, del. contaminated, cant support injustice, aversion company, averse responsibility,
etc. - a bit like a Pessimistic Fl-ac with a larger perspective and a conscience. I dont see the cynicism in this woman (aside from the thought to terminate pregnancy, but this has to do
not with cynicism about the world, but regarding her personal situation, if I recall correctly). Vacuum also has a variety of other symptoms that she doesnt have, and does not have delusion old. Vacuum seems to also have the global perspective (Like from surrounding space, which is evacuaated) but is intensely dissatisfied/disappointed with this particular world of conflict.
--Veratrum-not much

Quick analysis

Hydrogen
Philosophy, ability (which Joy aptly introduced)
Delusion old MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; old, being: adam., ars., bor., gink., haliae-lc., hydrog., lap-c-b.
as 2 incontrovertible symptoms are very suggestive of Hydrogen
Case:Delusion old, and philosophizes with astronomical star (hydrogen) and moon "icons" indicating a kind of "off-planet" overview perspective, which is charateristic of Hydrogen, even though her actual concerns are more personal (abuse, baby decision, probs with husband, probs living with in-laws). (Luna, as Joy suggested in passing, -my little experience with this one sees more romantic fantasy instead of philosophical ramblings--interested in peoples experience with it). Hydrogen remains a strong candidate, and the following rubrics from the proving (Mnd section)
somewhat support Hydrogen further with issues about pregnancy, husband, moving from parents house,
paranoia (could be correlated with her feeling of being watched by in-laws).

Excerpts from Hydrogen Mind (Sherr Proving):

I can honestly say I'll never be the same again — a bit like having a baby.
Moved from parent's house. [24, 30C, XX:XX:XX]
Three months after starting the proving the prover moved house. [04
Feel like a crippled old man. [38, 200C, 18:XX:XX]
Don't want to move at all — want to be still and warm and lie around in a heap all day. like what it must feel to be old. I do feel old. [16, 30C, 02:XX:XX]
Paranoid feeling with cold perspiration. [16, 30C, XX:XX:XX]
Feel I can't trust anyone — 'paranoia'. [24, 30C, 100:XX:XX]
I felt mistrust, suspicion and paranoia. [16, 30C, Letter]
I feel people are playing games with me. Everything is out of balance. [16, 30C, XX:XX:XX]
While sitting in a restaurant, felt progressively more cut off from friends at the table. I began to feel detached and paranoid. I felt disliked by people.
Felt isolated in the shop. Feeling unacceptable, 'as if I was a marked person' — but later felt better on my own. [12, 6C, 19:XX:XX]
Very worried that people don't like me and can't cope with me — that they will think I am insane. I think maybe I am insane. This is frightening me. [16, 30C, 25:XX:XX]
Thought someone was telling someone else that I was mad and asking what should be done about it. [16, 30C, 25:XX:XX]
Feeling suspicious all day. Anxious and conscious of vulnerability. (Asked husband to move out if he was thinking of being unfaithful). [12, 6C, 06:XX:XX]
Felt cut off from people and suspicious. [22, 12C, 06:XX:XX]
Fear and desperation about being pregnant — period 16 days late — felt terrible all day. So despairing. [08, 30C, 50:XX:XX]
I can honestly say I'll never be the same again — a bit like having a baby. [08, 30C, 100:XX:XX]
Almost the impression that I am pregnant — many old sensations and emotions from previous pregnancies recurred. Like having another person inside of me.
All physical symptoms of pregnancy. Went for a test. [08, 30C, 01:XX:XX]
Greatly increased tendency to theorize and philosophize, especially concerning esoteric matters. [16, 30C, 05:XX:XX]
ANACARDIUM
The existence of anac in the Philosophy ability rubric is also interesting, considering both in the couple can be ABUSIVE
(V. Rozenberg (seminar 1988) said that anac's often come in couples, and I can confirm that).

Anac also has sense of ISOLATION/forsaken (note below in Jill's addl sx of client
++Fear is of abandonment, not being appreciated --but hydrog also has isolated feeling. And anac has the need
to create order (fastidious (rest, cannot unless there is order), like the patient does, which Hydrogen does not
seem to have.

However, Anac does not have delusion old. And the classic "split feeling" is missing (although person does seem detached, and expresses great dissatisfaction with her internal state). The
symptoms for hydrogen seem overwhelming and so hydrogen may also have the abuse thing (sketchy info we have on the abuse).
Anac confirmatories , many of which not present:
OLIB-SAC- (Frankincense)
From Russell:
The remedy olib-sac came up a lot in repertory although I don't know the
remedy at all. Seems to have lots around philosophy, meaning of life, etc.,
feels old, delusion spied upon/watched.

This rem seems like a possibility, can someone provide more information?
NIT-AC- Please see Joy's earlier post.

VACUUM-A long shot but possible (Big perspective, delus watched, philosophizer, but no delusion old (does have delus. immortal).
=============================

Here is Jill's additional info. I have highlighted a few things (+) but not really included many of them in analysis:

No major surgeries, traumas, illnesses. Father deceased d/t aneurysm,
mother alive.

Client has been on and off the pill for years, so bleeding time, duration
and flow are fine, sometimes clots size of finger tip since birth of second
child. She had been supplementing with a natural progesterone product on
the advise of her mother-in-law and husband who feel her it necessary due to
her emotional instability (hormonal). No complaints of PMS. Pregnancies
good, no tearing from second pregnancy "I could have had the baby all
alone". Severe nauseas and fatigue with this pregnancy lasting first in
first trimester...better now.

Most of her symptoms are on an emotional plane.
She describes tons of stress, fatigue, exhaustion, wake up nervous, feeling
like three days jammed into one, "I have endured so much in my life that my
body is beyond its time (again this theme of life in fast momentum and she
is aging quickly).
She describes herself as emotionally fractured, living in the shadow of her
husband, feel I am not myself.

Sleep
is not good over the last year, feels worse in the morning, tired, groggy.
Nightmares which she would only describe as based on emotion, issues.."
carry emotions into my dreams". In general a poor quality of sleep, not
insomnia. Sleeps on stomach to derive relaxing a letting go solar plexus
are protected, although it is not comfortable and difficult now being
pregnant. "I do so much in the day that I get to bed exhausted".

Bowel
She goes to the washroom "more now often due to the fear in my life"
implying she has a

++nervous bowel that responds to emotional upset.

++At one
point she experienced painless rectal bleeding not related to bowel
movements.
This has subsided and medical test yielded nothing. a bit more
constipations now, but on prenatal sup with iron.

Sensation as if...

++I get a sensation in my heart that it feels like it misses a beat, not in
relation to anything or any event...no pattern

Food
cr: sweets, fruits (that's a really tough questions), lately wanting some
kind of fish (usually don't eat fish because vegan), roasted vegetables

++Humans have reached state of revolution that we don't have to kill creatures
anymore, it more sympathy really.
av. pork or beef (been off it for so long couldn't imagine eating it and
enjoying it), spinach

Temperature:
I've thought that I am neither hot or cold...prefer fall and spring
++Fear is of abandonment, not being appreciated
((((()))))) so the Hydrogen, (or possibly anac followed by hydrogen (a bit of a stretch)?) could be seen as the front runner at the moment unless there are better ideas forthcoming; , with some question about
Olib-sac, but lacking further info, Hydrogen may be the first choice? What is your take on the case so
far Jill, others?

SOFTWARE
(((((()))))) Jill-re: software, here is one strategy for lowest cost and most coverage. Note that the necessity to have both platforms seems to be a price of living on a dual plane of existence (the Darwin-Wallace phenomenon- everything comes in twos;).
KENT PROGRAMS
*Macrep basic (or Macrep Pro if want to spend exstra 400-500 that way)
*Complete repertory
*Macrep full library (includes Murphy rep and 1600 keynotes, most other repertories in existence)

*Referenceworks (610 volumes) (and see if can get 0% financing from Kent Associates ) (Encyclo Homeoapthica is another option-dont have experience with it , it might be comparable
with rfworks, but will have to research. )
ARCHIBEL PROGRAMS
*Radar pkg #1 (includes Synthesis and Kunzlis repertory plus radar keynotes)
*Radar Families module (extra $100) (or get Macrep Pro instead of Basic)
This is just one way to go--it forgoes the Macrep Pro version, which is a disadvantage (less search capability, cant add rubrics or rems, no family analysis, etc (cost-cutting measure, which folks with more money may want to get).

But getting Macrep basic instead frees up about $400-$500 to get (current sale) Radar pkg #1 and (additiona $100 purchase) its families module.. Altogether, this allows repertorization of all 3 modern repertories
(Complete, Synthesis (these two complement each other nicely, and are both essential in my opinion), and Murphy (alphabetical (can be useful at times in finding stuff), Very useful compilation chapters (Like Emergencies, for example), and has material not in the other two, though no author refs). Other repertories that might rarely be useful are Kent original, Boger- Boenninghausen, Knerr, Kunzli, Boericke, etc and these all included in this purchase strategy).

Can buy Radar families module to get family analysis, and Synthesis covers more remedies than Complete, although many of the additional remedies in Synthesis have scanty info; still it might cure some cases sometime to have those additoinal rems included in family analysis (if all rems are indeed encompassed in the family analysis).. If get macrep Pro instead, that has built-in family analysis feature.

Note that for Macintosh users, have to use Virtual PC to get radar to run on mac, a big disadvantage because may have to reboot computer to switch between Archibel and Kent pgms.. If
Radar is bought using USB copy pro device, then it can be installed on a USB PC or USB Macintosh, which gives
some flexibility in case want to run a mac and a PC in the office to get the best performance from radar
and be able to easily repertorize in both Synth or Complete/murphy repertories without rebooting mac or other gyrrations necessary when using Virtual PC. Or run 2 USB macs, one with Kent programs, the other Archibel programs using Virtual PC.

For PC users, then the PC versions of the Kent programs can be used, and should make for easy toggling
between Radar/ (and EH if chosen) AND Macrep/and RFW if chosen) on the same computer.
This is just one way to go. I have had macrep since '87 but now see the need to be able to also repertorize
Synthesis (Scholten additions, other additions (maybe more from Vithoulkas clinical practice?), plus remedies (polychrests and important remedies) here and there that the Complete rep researchers missed; also a different slant on rubrics and different subrubrics), so am going to take part in the current sale with good prices on Radar.

Note that one reason to have the Complete as well as Synthesis (amid others like much greater breadth, and good organization/cross referencing of the Complete (not that Synthesis is not well organized, cause it is)) is COMPOSITE MAIN RUBRICS, which contain all the remedies in all the subrubrics. This lends itself well to initial repertorizations in difficult cases without missing any remedies. Maybe Synthesis can do this in the computer version, but it doesnt appear to be the case (someone please correct me if I am wrong).

Please also see the other posts by other List denizens with their suggestions which cover areas in which I have no experience (Like CARA and other programs, which I'm sure are useful, but I have no experience with them).

Best to all
Andy

[andyh]

(reposted to try to get rid of lapsed carriage returns)
Dear Joy,
Thanks for writing a kind response to my post re: Jill's interesting
case. Hydrogen
would seem to
be the front runner, after a couple of cycles of contributions by List
members.

((((((())))))) Quick survey of this rubric:
===========
MIND; PHILOSOPHY; ability for: anac., dream-p ("dreaming potency"),
halo., hep.,
hydrog.,
lach., nit-ac., olib-sac (olibanum sacrum; (Boswellia carteri;
(frankincense?)), sulph (2),
vacuum, verat..

Subrubric:
reveries, great inclination to philosophic: dream-p, hydrog, sulph,
vacuum

Sources:
Complete Repertory: anac., halo., hep., hydrog., lach.,
nit-ac.,
sulph.
Synthesis Repertory: anac, "dreaming potency", hep, hydrog, lach,
nit-ac,
olibanum sacrum
(frankincense?), Sulph(2), verat
Addition from proving of Vacuum (Nuala Eising):
Vacuum
===========

Left in this wonderful rubric to look at (see *)

**anac-abusive stuff is sketchily in the case, and a feeling of somehow
being
abused
--dream-p- dont know anything about this remedy, and dont yet have
synthesis on
computer
to analyze-anybody?
--halo-assume this is halothane, the anesthetic; may be worth a quick
check
--hepar-not too much for this
**hydrogen-Delusion old provides a second strong peculiar
symptom
--lach-not much
*nit-ac- she has a resentment of the husband and the in-laws. Dont know
if this can be
equated with the nit-ac picture; the analysis of fulfillment (and lack
therof) given by
Joy is some evidence
**olib-sac- Russell repertorization sounds really suggestive, but need
someone with
radar to provide all the
rubrics for this one, and any other info
--sulph(2)- not much
*Vacuum-great new proving--It is a cynical person with longing for
harmony, delusion
immortal, del being watched, del. contaminated, cant support injustice,
aversion company,
averse responsibility,
etc. - a bit like a Pessimistic Fl-ac with a larger perspective and a
conscience. I dont see the
cynicism in this woman (aside from the thought to terminate pregnancy,
but this has to do
not with cynicism about the world, but regarding her personal situation,
if I recall correctly).
Vacuum also has a variety of other symptoms that she doesnt have, and
does not have delusion
old. Vacuum seems to also have the global perspective (Like from
surrounding space, which
is evacuaated) but is intensely dissatisfied/disappointed with this
particular world of conflict.
--Veratrum-not much

Quick analysis

Hydrogen
Philosophy, ability (which Joy aptly introduced)

Delusion old MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; old, being: adam., ars.,
bor., gink.,
haliae-lc., hydrog., lap-c-b.
as 2 incontrovertible symptoms are very suggestive of Hydrogen
Case:Delusion old, and philosophizes with astronomical star (hydrogen)
and moon "icons"
indicating a kind of "off-planet" overview perspective, which is
charateristic of Hydrogen,
even though her actual concerns are more personal (abuse, baby decision,
probs with husband,
probs living with in-laws). (Luna, as Joy suggested in passing, -my
little experience with
this one sees more romantic fantasy instead of philosophical
ramblings--interested in peoples
experience with it). Hydrogen remains a strong candidate, and the
following rubrics from
the proving (Mnd section)
somewhat support Hydrogen further with issues about pregnancy, husband,
moving from
parents house,
paranoia (could be correlated with her feeling of being watched by
in-laws).
Excerpts from Hydrogen Mind (Sherr Proving):

I can honestly say I'll never be the same again — a bit like having
a baby.

Moved from parent's house. [24, 30C, XX:XX:XX]

Three months after starting the proving the prover moved house. [04

Feel like a crippled old man. [38, 200C, 18:XX:XX]

Don't want to move at all — want to be still and warm and lie
around in a heap all day. like what it must feel
to be old. I do feel old. [16, 30C, 02:XX:XX]

Paranoid feeling with cold perspiration. [16, 30C, XX:XX:XX]

Feel I can't trust anyone — 'paranoia'. [24, 30C, 100:XX:XX]

I felt mistrust, suspicion and paranoia. [16, 30C, Letter]

I feel people are playing games with me. Everything is out of
balance. [16, 30C, XX:XX:XX]

While sitting in a restaurant, felt progressively more cut off from
friends at the table. I began to feel detached

and paranoid. I felt disliked by people.

Felt isolated in the shop. Feeling unacceptable, 'as if I was a marked
person' — but later felt better on my own.

[12, 6C, 19:XX:XX]

Very worried that people don't like me and can't cope with me —
that they will think I am insane. I think
maybe I am insane. This is frightening me. [16, 30C, 25:XX:XX]

Thought someone was telling someone else that I was mad and asking
what should be done about it. [16,
30C, 25:XX:XX]

Feeling suspicious all day. Anxious and conscious of vulnerability.
(Asked husband to move out if he was
thinking of being unfaithful). [12, 6C, 06:XX:XX]

Felt cut off from people and suspicious. [22, 12C, 06:XX:XX]

Fear and desperation about being pregnant — period 16 days late —
felt terrible all day. So despairing. [08,
30C, 50:XX:XX]

I can honestly say I'll never be the same again — a bit like having
a baby. [08, 30C, 100:XX:XX]

Almost the impression that I am pregnant — many old sensations and
emotions from previous pregnancies recurred. Like having another person
inside of me.

All physical symptoms of pregnancy. Went for a test. [08, 30C,
01:XX:XX]

Greatly increased tendency to theorize and philosophize, especially
concerning esoteric matters. [16, 30C, 05:XX:XX]
ANACARDIUM
The existence of anac in the Philosophy ability rubric is also
interesting, considering both in the
couple can be ABUSIVE
(V. Rozenberg (seminar 1988) said that anac's often come in couples, and
I can
confirm that).

Anac also has sense of ISOLATION/forsaken (note below in Jill's addl sx
of
client
++Fear is of abandonment, not being appreciated --but hydrog also has
isolated feeling.
And anac has the need
to create order (fastidious (rest, cannot unless there is order), like
the patient does, which
Hydrogen does not
seem to have.

However, Anac does not have delusion old. And the classic "split
feeling" is missing
(although person does seem detached, and expresses great dissatisfaction
with her
internal state). The
symptoms for hydrogen seem overwhelming and so hydrogen may also have
the abuse
thing (sketchy info we have on the abuse).
Anac confirmatories , many of which not present:
purchases,
OLIB-SAC- (Frankincense)
The remedy olib-sac came up a lot in repertory although
I don't know the
remedy at all. Seems to have lots around philosophy, meaning
of life, etc.,
feels old, delusion spied upon/watched.

This rem seems like a possibility, can someone provide more
information?
NIT-AC- Please see Joy's earlier post.

VACUUM-A long shot but possible (Big perspective, delus watched,
philosophizer,
but no delusion old (does have delus. immortal).
=============================

Here is Jill's additional info. I have highlighted a few things (+) but
not really
included many of them in analysis:

No major surgeries, traumas, illnesses. Father deceased d/t
aneurysm,
mother alive.

Client has been on and off the pill for years, so bleeding time,
duration
and flow are fine, sometimes clots size of finger tip since birth of
second
child. She had been supplementing with a natural progesterone
product on
the advise of her mother-in-law and husband who feel her it necessary
due to
her emotional instability (hormonal). No complaints of PMS.
Pregnancies
good, no tearing from second pregnancy "I could have had the
baby all
alone". Severe nauseas and fatigue with this pregnancy lasting
first in
first trimester...better now.

Most of her symptoms are on an emotional plane.
She describes tons of stress, fatigue, exhaustion, wake up nervous,
feeling
like three days jammed into one, "I have endured so much in my life
that my
body is beyond its time (again this theme of life in fast momentum
and she
is aging quickly).
She describes herself as emotionally fractured, living in the shadow
of her
husband, feel I am not myself.

Sleep
is not good over the last year, feels worse in the morning, tired,
groggy.
Nightmares which she would only describe as based on emotion,
issues.."
carry emotions into my dreams". In general a poor quality of sleep,
not
insomnia. Sleeps on stomach to derive relaxing a letting go solar
plexus
are protected, although it is not comfortable and difficult now
being
pregnant. "I do so much in the day that I get to bed exhausted".

Bowel
She goes to the washroom "more now often due to the fear in
my life"
implying she has a

++nervous bowel that responds to emotional upset.

++At one
point she experienced painless rectal bleeding not related to
bowel
movements.
This has subsided and medical test yielded nothing. a bit
more
constipations now, but on prenatal sup with iron.

Sensation as if...

++I get a sensation in my heart that it feels like it misses a
beat, not in
relation to anything or any event...no pattern

Food
cr: sweets, fruits (that's a really tough questions), lately wanting
some
kind of fish (usually don't eat fish because vegan), roasted
vegetables

++Humans have reached state of revolution that we don't have to
kill creatures
anymore, it more sympathy really.
av. pork or beef (been off it for so long couldn't imagine eating
it and
enjoying it), spinach

Temperature:
I've thought that I am neither hot or cold...prefer fall and
spring
++Fear is of abandonment, not being appreciated
((((()))))) so the Hydrogen, (or possibly anac followed by hydrogen (a
bit of a stretch)?)
could be seen as the front runner at the moment unless there are better
ideas forthcoming; ,
with some question about
Olib-sac, but lacking further info, Hydrogen may be the first choice?
What is your take
on the case so
far Jill, others?

SOFTWARE
(((((()))))) Jill-re: software, here is one strategy for lowest cost and
most coverage.
Note that the necessity to have both platforms seems to be a price of
living on a
dual plane of existence (the Darwin-Wallace phenomenon- everything comes

in twos;).
KENT PROGRAMS
*Macrep basic (or Macrep Pro if want to spend exstra 400-500 that
way)
*Complete repertory
*Macrep full library (includes Murphy rep and 1600 keynotes, most other
repertories in existence)

*Referenceworks (610 volumes) (and see if can get 0% financing from Kent

Associates ) (Encyclo Homeoapthica is another option-dont have
experience
with it , it might be comparable
with rfworks, but will have to research. )
ARCHIBEL PROGRAMS
*Radar pkg #1 (includes Synthesis and Kunzlis repertory plus
radar keynotes)
*Radar Families module (extra $100) (or get Macrep Pro instead
of Basic)
This is just one way to go--it forgoes the Macrep Pro version, which is
a disadvantage
(less search capability, cant add rubrics or rems, no family analysis,
etc (cost-cutting measure,
which folks with more money may want to get).

But getting Macrep basic instead frees up about $400-$500 to get
(current sale) Radar pkg
#1 and (additiona $100 purchase) its families module.. Altogether, this
allows repertorization
of all 3 modern repertories
(Complete, Synthesis (these two complement each other nicely, and are
both essential in my
opinion), and Murphy (alphabetical (can be useful at times in finding
stuff), Very useful
compilation chapters (Like Emergencies, for example), and has material
not in the other two,
though no author refs). Other repertories that might rarely be useful
are Kent original,
Boger- Boenninghausen, Knerr, Kunzli, Boericke, etc and these all
included in this purchase strategy).

Can buy Radar families module to get family analysis, and Synthesis
covers more remedies
than Complete, although many of the additional remedies in Synthesis
have scanty info; still
it might cure some cases sometime to have those additoinal rems included
in family analysis
(if all rems are indeed encompassed in the family analysis).. If get
macrep Pro instead, that has
built-in family analysis feature.

Note that for Macintosh users, have to use Virtual PC to get radar to
run on mac, a big disadvantage
because may have to reboot computer to switch between Archibel and Kent
pgms.. If
Radar is bought using USB copy pro device, then it can be installed on a
USB PC or USB
Macintosh, which gives
some flexibility in case want to run a mac and a PC in the office to get
the best performance
from radar
and be able to easily repertorize in both Synth or Complete/murphy
repertories without rebooting
mac or other gyrrations necessary when using Virtual PC. Or run 2 USB
macs, one with Kent
programs, the other Archibel programs using Virtual PC.

For PC users, then the PC versions of the Kent programs can be used, and
should make for e
asy toggling
between Radar/ (and EH if chosen) AND Macrep/and RFW if chosen) on the
same computer.
This is just one way to go. I have had macrep since '87 but now see the
need to be able to
also repertorize
Synthesis (Scholten additions, other additions (maybe more from
Vithoulkas clinical practice?),
plus remedies (polychrests and important remedies) here and there that
the Complete rep
researchers missed; also a different slant on rubrics and different
subrubrics), so am going to
take part in the current sale with good prices on Radar.

Note that one reason to have the Complete as well as Synthesis (amid
others like much greater
breadth, and good organization/cross referencing of the Complete (not
that Synthesis is not well
organized, cause it is)) is COMPOSITE MAIN RUBRICS, which contain all
the remedies in
all the subrubrics. This lends itself well to initial repertorizations
in difficult cases without
missing any remedies. Maybe Synthesis can do this in the computer
version, but it doesnt
appear to be the case (someone please correct me if I am wrong).

Please also see the other posts by other List denizens with their
suggestions which cover areas
in which I have no experience (Like CARA and other programs, which I'm
sure are useful,
but I have no experience with them).

Best to all
Andy

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Andy, thanks for this excellent write up and fabulous contribution. All
very interesting. And doesn't Hydrogen have some connection with 'ghosts'
which was mentioned in the first presentation.

I am still interested in the so called abusive behaviour (can't remember
where that word came from now) and how that will figure in the final case
analysis.

Two other points (for Jill) - this client is on the pill. To what extent is
that having an impact on the symptom picture. What were the menses like
before? Some Homeopaths wouldn't even consider taking on a client that was
taking the pill, so I am interested to read your comments. And also the
bleeding from rectum - what may that have been about.

Anyway an interesting case all round - thank you for sharing.

Best wishes, Joy
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[andyh]

Joy Lucas wrote
Referenceworks search yields only that ghost is listed as a theme in Mirrillis Theme Repertory:
MIRILLI'S THEMES.
Abroad. {0> 23> 0} [222]
Accidents. {0> 125> 0} [222]
Accused. {0> 14> 0} [222]
Alive. {0> 19> 0} [222]
Ambition. {0> 116> 0} [222]
Anger. {0> 328> 0} [222]
Animal. {0> 186> 0} [222]
Antagonism. {0> 165> 0} [222]
Anticipation. {0> 159> 0} [222]
Betrayed. {0> 91> 0} [222]
Burn. {0> 21> 0} [222]
Busy. {0> 133> 0} [222]
Censorious. {0> 170> 0} [222]
Censured. {0> 62> 0} [222]
Child. {0> 121> 0} [222]
Clairvoyance. {0> 55> 0} [222]
Clothes. {0> 79> 0} [222]
Company. {0> 222> 0} [222]
Compassionate. {0> 75> 0} [222]
Conduct. {0> 13> 0} [222]
Confidence. {0> 213> 0} [222]
Conscience. {0> 162> 0} [222]
Conscientious. {0> 129> 0} [222]
Contemptuous. {0> 131> 0} [222]
Corpse. {0> 76> 0} [222]
Criminal. {0> 99> 0} [222]
Crowd. {0> 104> 0} [222]
Damage. {0> 32> 0} [222]
Danger. {0> 102> 0} [222]
Dark. {0> 132> 0} [222]
Death. {0> 286> 0} [222]
Despair. {0> 167> 0} [222]
Despised. {0> 87> 0} [222]
Dirty. {0> 85> 0} [222]
Disease. {0> 337> 0} [222]
Distances. {0> 41> 0} [222]
Divided. {0> 62> 0} [222]
Doomed. {0> 56> 0} [222]
Double. {0> 97> 0} [222]
Doubtful. {0> 171> 0} [222]
Duty. {0> 99> 0} [222]
Dwells. {0> 137> 0} [222]
Eating. {0> 121> 0} [222]
Egotism. {0> 62> 0} [222]
Empty. {0> 76> 0} [222]
Enemy. {0> 42> 0} [222]
Energy. {0> 108> 0} [222]
Escape. {0> 83> 0} [222]
Family. {0> 119> 0} [222]
Father. {0> 9> 0} [222]
Fearful. {0> 266> 0} [222]
Fearless. {0> 98> 0} [222]
Feigning. {0> 61> 0} [222]
Fight. {0> 214> 0} [222]
Fly. {0> 62> 0} [222]
Forsaken. {0> 112> 0} [1058]
Forsakes. {0> 69> 0} [222]
Fragile. {0> 58> 0} [222]
Friend. {0> 93> 0} [222]
Friendless. {0> 30> 0} [222]
Friendly. {0> 138> 0} [222]
Future. {0> 134> 0} [222]
Ghosts. {0> 194> 0} [222]
Great. {0> 89> 0} [222]
Greatness. {0> 149> 0} [222]
Grow. {0> 72> 0} [222]
Half. {0> 17> 0} [222]
Haughty. {0> 80> 0} [222]
Heart. {0> 167> 0} [222]
Height. {0> 93> 0} [222]
Hell. {0> 13> 0} [222]
Helpful. {0> 42> 0} [222]
Helplessness. {0> 135> 0} [222]
Himself. {0> 128> 0} [222]
Homesickness. {0> 96> 0} [222]
Hurry. {0> 152> 0} [222]
Hurt. {0> 163> 0} [222]
Identity. {0> 121> 0} [222]
Impatience. {0> 130> 0} [222]
Indifference. {0> 263> 0} [222]
Inexpugnable. {0> 19> 0} [222]
Injustice. {0> 37> 0} [222]
Insanity. {0> 316> 0} [222]
Integration. {0> 24> 0} [222]
Isolation. {0> 113> 0} [1058]
Lack. {0> 151> 0} [222]
Lascivious. {0> 233> 0} [222]
Liberty. {0> 50> 0} [222]
Loathing. {0> 312> 0} [222]
Lost. {0> 66> 0} [222]
Love. {0> 78> 0} [222]
Meditation. {0> 142> 0} [222]
Miserable. {0> 50> 0} [222]
Misfortune. {0> 224> 0} [222]
Money. {0> 51> 0} [222]
Mortification. {0> 118> 0} [222]
Mother. {0> 27> 0} [222]
Movement. {0> 166> 0} [222]
Murdered. {0> 91> 0} [222]
Music. {0> 147> 0} [222]
Nature. {0> 48> 0} [222]
Negligence. {0> 127> 0} [222]
Noise. {0> 203> 0} [222]
Nostalgia. {0> 39> 0} [222]
Observed. {0> 58> 0} [222]
Obstinate. {0> 179> 0} [222]
Obstructed. {0> 134> 0} [222]
Offensive. {0> 203> 0} [222]
Old. {0> 28> 0} [222]
Others. {0> 88> 0} [222]
Paralysis. {0> 66> 0} [222]
Passionate. {0> 144> 0} [222]
Past. {0> 94> 0} [222]
Perfection. {0> 46> 0} [222]
Persecution. {0> 149> 0} [222]
Philosophy. {0> 7> 0} [222]
Planning. {0> 24> 0} [222]
Pleasure. {0> 220> 0} [222]
Poisoned. {0> 159> 0} [222]
Poverty. {0> 48> 0} [222]
Pure. {0> 17> 0} [222]
Religious. {0> 124> 0} [222]
Resentment. {0> 89> 0} [222]
Reserved. {0> 174> 0} [222]
Restless. {0> 280> 0} [222]
Ridiculous. {0> 28> 0} [222]
Robber. {0> 83> 0} [222]
Rotten. {0> 20> 0} [222]
Ruined. {0> 85> 0} [222]
Sadness. {0> 335> 0} [222]
Sarcasm. {0> 79> 0} [222]
Seized. {0> 82> 0} [222]
Sensitive. {0> 229> 0} [222]
Sexual. {0> 319> 0} [222]
Shame. {0> 123> 0} [222]
Small. {0> 54> 0} [222]
Solitude. {0> 189> 0} [1058]
Storm. {0> 82> 0} [222]
Strange. {0> 137> 0} [1058]
Suicidal. {0> 149> 0} [222]
Suppressed. {0> 106> 0} [222]
Suspicious. {0> 214> 0} [222]
Talk. {0> 217> 0} [222]
Tedium. {0> 169> 0} [222]
Theorizing. {0> 23> 0} [222]
Time. {0> 106> 0} [222]
Timidity. {0> 168> 0} [222]
Touch. {0> 144> 0} [222]
Travel. {0> 127> 0} [222]
Ugly. {0> 89> 0} [222]
Union. {0> 35> 0} [222]
Unreal. {0> 137> 0} [222]
Vanity. {0> 61> 0} [222]
Vexation. {0> 121> 0} [222]
Violence. {0> 194> 0} [222]
Water. {0> 166> 0} [222]
Wild. {0> 126> 0} [222]
Work. {0> 261> 0} [222]
Wrong. {0> 117> 0} [222]
Yielding. {0> 219> 0} [222]
Young. {0> 68> 0} [222]
((((()))))) something about abusive behavior in which both spouses had police run-in. Sketchy. Prob
should be clarified to see if anac can be put to rest or to illuminate situation.
Andy

[Jill E. McChesney]

Dear Joy and Andy:

Thank you both for your interest in this case, it has been an all around
challenging case that ultimately brings much learning. I really can not
stress enough how difficult it was to get a straight forward answer from
this client.

A question, direct, such as "what happened that resulted in police charges"
yielded a vague symbolic picture of "disharmony beyond scope of her heart".
There is no "he said" or "she did" in this case at all. All I could
ascertain (from the father-in-laws information) things got out of hand,
there was much yelling and pushing, shoving, threatening (on behalf of both
parties).

The in -laws think she is very unstable.

To answers Joy question, she is not on the pill anymore and hasn't been for
several years...she was on the pill for before she was married as a means of
birth control...though she didn't agree with "it" (the Pill). She described
her periods as being uneventful, regular. She also said her husband got
her where he wanted her, in his parents home and pregnant (referring to her
second pregnancy). Now she is pregnant again (5 months along). She very
much believes in natural health and healing.
In terms of her rectal bleeding... it was about 5 months ago, when she first
discovered she was pregnant. It had not happened before or since. Perhaps
is was an implantation bleed (bleeding was not in relation to bowel
movements) so perhaps the source of blood in her underwear was vaginal and
not rectal?
In terms of the case overall-
I must say I was thinking anac when first looking at this case. She does
present as so sweet, soft, kind, (looks almost care-worn). But there is a
side that is strong, opinionated, wont tolerate injustices, and that lashes
out (obviously in a law enforcement demanding way). She is aware of this
"split" and perhaps this is why she doesn't like her thought
process......kitten and the lion
however....
I would totally describe her as way out there... finding her strengths and
beliefs not rooted on the ground but rather extra-terrestrial. She could
very well be the lone single hydrogen atom out there in a world of others
(in-laws ) that she perceives to be wanting/taking her free electron.

Is there something that combines these two pictures.....ah the question and
thus why I need a good computer program.

Andy

Thanks for providing me with the great info re programs. I would very much
appreciate being able to talk to you live some time, I have lots of
questions and you seem to have the answers I seek. My direct e-mail address
is jillt@globalserve.net
I wish happiness to all,

Jill

[andyh]

Another way to look at the case (Preg Philosopher):

If we ignore the philosophy angle (as wonderful and rich as that is, and compelling) and assume she is
just highly intellectual in background and quite detached,

arsenicum covers the delusion watched and the delusion, old, and much of the other sx. Ars can kind

of "lose it" from anxiety, and can be quite vehement about concepts. She's got a little bit of the health priority

it seems. The global perspective mayt be a red herring here? Maybe she is just an arsenicum

with background that has her into philosophical reverie, but that is not what is to be cured?
Ars of course such a big poly that can make it fit almost anywhere, but it can feel abandoned, mistreated, can
be abusive, have palpitations, rectal bleeding, and feel like they need to put everything in order to
be able to function.

What is to be cured here? Is the Global perspective peculiar and strong enough to be characteristic?

Sure she may be circumlocutory, but can a detached, anxious, and very intelligent arsenicum
do that? All questions for the cyber - practitioners.

Just another idea for the hopper, Jill, coming off your thinking (which we all probably share) that

neither hydrog or anac seem to quite fit.. Any ars

confirmatories? Not wanting to let go of the new remedies we have been looking at, but maybe the

solution is from "pre-1862 remedies", as it were. And Thuja is sometimes the chronic of ars;
in a case

where
hard to get anything from the client, like thuja often does. Thuja confirmatories?

top honors in rambling,
Andy H.

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REP:

+MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; watched, that she is being (K29, K30, K35, SRI-318, SRI-334, SRI-381,
G23, G24, G28): adam., aq-mar., Ars., bani-c., bar-c., calc., choc., falco-p., hyos., kola., med., meli., ratt-n., rhus-t.

+MIND; PHILOSOPHY; ability for (SRI-795): anac., halo., hep., hydrog., lach., nit-ac., sulph.

-MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; old, being: adam., ars., bor., gink., haliae-lc., hydrog., lap-c-b.
elim: adamas, arsenicum, hydrogen
a few other sx, only to show that ars can cover the case.

-MIND; FORSAKEN feeling (K49, SRI-546, G39): allox., anac., androc., ange-s., anh., arg-n., arist-cl., ars.
, asar., Aur., bamb-a., bani-c., bar-c., bar-s., bell-p., brass-o., bros-g., calc., calc-s., camph., cand-a., cann-i.,
cann-s., carb-an., carb-v., carc., chin., chin-b., choc., coca, cortico., corv-c., cycl., dros., ephe., falco-p., gels., germ.,
haliae-lc., hell., hura, hydr-ac., hydrog., hyosin., ip., kali-br., kali-c., keroso., kola., lac-d., lac-del., lac-h., lac-leo.,
lac-lup., lach., lact., lam., lap-c-b., lap-gr-m., lap-mar-c., lar-ar., laur., lil-t., lith-c., lyc., lyss., m-aust., mag-c.,
mag-m., mand., med., Meny., merc., nat-c., nat-m., neon, op., ozone, pall., pip-m., pip-n., plat., plb., pseuts-m.,
psil., Psor., Puls., rhus-t., sabin., sac-alb., sanic., sars., sec., sep., sil., spig., stram., sulph., tab., thuj., til-c., valer.,
verat., wye.

elim: arsenicum, hydrogen

MIND; ABUSIVE, insulting (K1, SRI-7, G1): abies-n., acon., agki-p., alco., am-c., am-m., anac., arn., ars., atro.,
aur., bell., bor., bufo, camph., canth., carc., caust., cere-s., Cham., chin., cic., con., cor-r., croc., cub., cupr-ar., der.,
dulc., elae., ferr., gall-ac., hep., hist., hydr., hydr-ac., hyos., ign., ip., kali-ar., kali-i., lac-c., lach., lap-gr-m., lil-t.,
Lyc., lyss., m-aust., mag-c., mangi., med., merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., ozone, pall., petr., plat., plb.,
raja-s., ran-b., sarr., seneg., sep., sil., spong., staph., stram., sulph., syph., tarent., thuj., tub., verat., viol-t.
elim: arsenicum

RECTUM; HEMORRHAGE; anus, from (K619, G529): abrot., acal., acet-ac., Acon., aesc., agar., all-c., aloe,
alum., alum-p., alum-sil., alumn., am-c., am-m., ambr., anac., ant-c., apis, aq-mar., arist-cl., arn., Ars., ars-met.,
asar., aur., aur-ar., aur-m., aur-s., bac., bamb-a., bapt., Bar-c., bar-m., bar-s., bell., berb., bism., bor., bufo, Cact.,
cadm., cadm-s., calad., Calc., calc-f., calc-hp., calc-p., calc-s., calc-sil., camph., canth., caps., carb-an., carb-v.,
carbn-s., carc., card-m., carl., Casc., caust., cham., chel., chin., chin-ar., chin-s., chlor., chr-ac., cinnam., cob.,
cocain., cocc., coff., colch., Coll., coloc., con., croc., Crot-h., cupr., cycl., cymbo-ci., dios., echi., elaps, elat., erech.,
erig., eucal., eug., eupi., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-m., ferr-p., fic-v., fl-ac., graph., grat., Ham., hep., hydr., hyos., ign., iod.,
ip., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-chl., kali-i., kali-m., kali-n., kali-p., kali-s., kali-sil., kola., kreos., lac-d., Lach.,
lam., led., lept., lipp., lob., Lyc., lycps., lyss., manc., mand., mangi., med., meny., merc., merc-c., mez., mill., morg.
, morg-g., morph., mur-ac., nat-c., Nat-m., nat-s., neon, Nit-ac., nux-m., Nux-v., op., oper., ozone, paeon., petr.,
ph-ac., Phos., phyt., pitu-a., plan., plat., podo., prot., prun., Psor., puls., pyrog., rat., rheum, rhus-g., rhus-t.,
rhus-v., ruta, sabin., sang., sanguis., sanic., sars., sec., sel., sep., sil., spig., spong., stram., sul-ac., Sulph., syph.,
tama., tarax., tela, ter., teucr., thuj., trif-p., tub., ust., valer., verat., vib., visc., zinc., zinc-p.
MIND; CONSCIENTIOUS about trifles (K16, SRI-180, G13): aeth., ambr., ang., anh., apis, arg., ARS., ars-s-f.,
aur., aur-ar., aur-i., bac., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-s., bry., calc., calc-s., carbn-s., carc., caust., cham., chin., chin-ar.,
cocc., cupr., cupr-acet., cycl., dig., dys-co., ephe., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-i., graph., ham., helod-c., hep., hura, hyos.,
Ign., iod., ip., kali-c., lac-d., lac-del., lac-f., lach., lil-t., lyc., m-p-a., med., mez., mur-ac., nat-ar., Nat-c., nat-sil.,
nit-ac., nux-v., ozone, petr., ph-ac., pip-m., plat., plb., puls., rhus-t., sarr., sec., sep., Sil., spig., spirae., Staph.,
stram., sul-i., sulph., syc-co., tax-br., Thuj., tub., verat., verat-v.
CHEST; PALPITATION heart; irregular (K875, G739): acon., adam., alum., Ars., aur-m., aur-m-n., cadm-i.,
chel., cocc., cyt-l., hydro-c., kali-c., kola., lar-ar., lyc., mang., merc., nat-m., nit-ac., ox-ac., ozone, sang., sumb.,
tab., zinc.

RECTUM; DIARRHEA; general; excitement, emotions, from (K612, G524, G525): acon., agki-p., aloe, ant-c.,
arg., Arg-n., arist-cl., arn., Ars., asar., bamb-a., bry., calc-p., camph., carb-v., carc., caust., cham., chin., chlol., cina,
coch., coff., coloc., corn., crot-h., dys-co., fago., ferr., ferr-n., gels., hyos., ign., ip., kali-p., lach., lyc., mag-m.,
merc., op., petr., ph-ac., phos., podo., prot., puls., pyrog., rob., Sep., sil., staph., sul-ac., syc-co., tab., thuj., verat.,
zinc.

MIND; FORSAKEN feeling; beloved by his parents, wife, friends, feels is not being (SRI-547): ars., calc., lyc.,
mag-c., sep., sil., sulph.
elim: Arsenicum
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"Jill E. McChesney" wrote: