Minutus

Dr. Rozencwajg,

I think you have just restated what I said originally - that a nosode may be
acceptable in a true epidemic (which does not appear to be the case with
WNV) before the epidemic remedy is found and exposure has occurred (or will
very soon occur) and symptoms have not erupted. On the other hand, to give
or take a nosode long in advance of a possible exposure seems quite
irrational in terms of homeopathic principles. Since the artificial disease
is not long lived, what would be the point unless exposure was imminent. In
addition, if the individual is sensitive it could make them quite ill.
Finally, it is only presumptive that it will work. At least, I haven't seen
any conclusive data to demonstrate the effectiveness of preemptive nosode
administration.

be well

russell swift, dvm

I agree with Dr. R, especially this part - "So what?". The debate about
homeoprophylaxis has been raging for a long time and it is nowhere near
resolved as far as I am concerned. I do not at present, use nosodes as
"vaccines" but, I do not know for sure that is not possible. I WOULD like to
have the answer and I do know for sure that the way to NEVER find out is to
say that it can't be done and then never try it. Sorry, that is just not
good science in my opinion.

Allen

Russell asks a good question -
Another good question is - "How long does the artificial disease induced by
the remedy really last? I don't think anyone can answer that. Thus, we are
left to experiment and work with the remedies in any number of ways in order
to find these things out. As I see it, there may be cases where the use of
nosodes may be appropriate as prophylaxis but, I do not have a complete
understanding of when these would be. Unfortunately, I have not seen
conclusive data either way. If someone out there does have the definitive
word on the subject, I would certainly appreciate hearing it.

Allen

Peter Quenter wrote in part:
My reply: Common sense and good scientific principles have to guide us in
whatever we do or advise.
My reply: ANY remedy can stimulate the body to throw out ANY disease picture
if it the similimum or close enough to it to be effective in causing a
reaction.
My reply: This is a major consideration and a question that may never be
answered.
My reply: Actually, this may be true to some extent. Disease labels such as
tuberculosis, etc. only are useful for purposes of reference and
categorization. There is only one type of disease and it is called dis-ease.
We all react in different ways to the effects of dis-ease. The source of
tuberculosis, etc. lies somewhere in the spirit of that disease, also known
as the genus (think of genie) epidemicus. I believe it is a living spirit,
an entity that forms in the astral world(s) and which feeds off of the
astral and vital (this is a physical force) essences of humans. The disease
entity uses its corresponding vital essence to tap into the vital essence of
the host. If we do not have the vital and spiritual "defect"
(susceptibility), we will not be affected by the disease. Any remedy can
stimulate the body to throw out any disease if it is similar enough to the
disease picture.
My reply: It is too close in such a case. It is so close that the body
cannot see it as an invader in exactly the same way that it cannot see the
disease that already exists in the body as an invader. If it could, it would
have already thrown it out. The nosode will not drive out the exact disease
from the body under most circumstances as if it did, it would actually be
recognizing itself as the invader and in its own "consciousness", it is
seeking to exist just as is the host. The foot does not seek to drive out
the toe as they are of the same body and the same essence. In the same way,
the nosode does not seek to drive out the "genie" of the disease. "A kingdom
divided against itself cannot stand." Matthew 12:12. The body is susceptible
to the disease as the spirit (lower manas) has already chosen to consort
with it. Even should the body be driven to a point of discomfort sufficient
to search for relief, it will not be permanently successful in driving out
the disease unless and until the spirit has made the decision to purify
itself and to cease experiencing the essence of the disease entity. It is at
this point that one might say, "I have had enough. I am going to find a way
to get rid of this disease. I am going to change my ways and be free of it."
Unless this is done, it will be impossible to permanently eradicate the
disease. Hahnemann spoke in this regard of "maintaining causes" and he
recognized the importance of changing one's unhealthy lifestyle to a healthy
one in order to effect cure. Failure to commit wholly to a cure would result
in a deepening of our disease from psora to sycosis to syphilis, etc.. "Sin
no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." John 5:14.
My reply: I think you are correct, possibly being explained by what I have
just written.
My reply: Seemingly so. Finding a remedy which is similar, not the same will
facilitate cure, as " the foot will not drive out the toe" (except in cases
of autoimmune dis-ease which is an example of a kingdom already "divided
against itself").
My reply: It may be that the "same disease nosode" used in such cases may be
slightly different from the original disease (a variant) and thereby is a
"similar" and not a true "same" disease. It may also be that certain people
are close enough to a cure psychologically that any amount of stimulation
will push them toward that end. It may be that the person's susceptibility
is minimal and his attunement to his higher self is such that this addition
of the nosode to his already existing disease may be the straw that broke
the disease's back. It may be placebo. It may be none of these. One can
speculate forever on this. Unfortunately, there is no hard evidence toward
answers at this time.
My reply: People already do such things so what would be the difference?
They would just be digging their hole a bit deeper but, they do that every
day anyway. All we can do is to educate against it as much as possible and
use as much common sense and homeopathic awareness as we can come up with.
My reply: Maybe. Maybe they wish they could be living today at the death of
the old age and the beginning of the new. Who knows? Maybe they are already
here, trying to take up where they left off and hoping to get things a
little bit more right this time.

Allen

Hmmm ..........

to guide us in

well said !

but ... :
that disease, ........ I believe it is a living spirit,
....... forms in the astral world(s) ......feeds off of the
humans.
tap into the vital essence of the host. ...............
vital and spiritual "defect"
(lower manas) has already chosen to consort
decision to purify
disease entity
.........
(except in cases
already "divided

now here I would question -
if it is based on said principles of nature - whichever they
may be -
then what is the principle for the exception ??
a principle either is or is not - if there is what we
perceive to be an exception, then either we don't see the
whole story, or the principle is not really a principle, or
there there is/are *other* principles to be considered also,
which we may not yet have understood, or even become aware
of their existence -

If what Hahnemann wrote holds true, then we should be able
to explain symptoms of auto-immune diseases perfectly well
just as any other disease symptoms, without it being any
kind of exception --

......... It may also be that certain people
.........It may be that the person's susceptibility........
It may be placebo. It may be none of these. One can
evidence toward

now there's the point

It seems speculation does hold its place as one of the
favourite pass-times for some -

best
peter

Hi all,

It seems stunningly appropriate that Ardavan's periodic Organon posts have
reached Aphorism 56 just now, which relates directly to this issue..
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284

Yes Dave & Ardavan gave me *permission* to cross post it *as is* to my canine vaccination list too... their brains are *frying* right now I could hear the "sizzles" as people opened the mails!!! but so far no one has asked me for Sizzle Remedy... (yes I am joking!)... actually it was a good feeling to supply them with this Aphorism at this appropriate level & introduce them to Hahnemann.

Respectfully yours,

Patti Mount, President IANTD World Headquarters
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I wrote:
it (the disease) is

To which Peter Quenter replied:

My answer: There is no exception to the principle, Peter. Auto-immune
disease is a "kingdom divided against itself" by anger, fear, self loathing,
psychological and/or physical shock or any of a multitiude of negative and
destructive emotions and/or life situations which produce the auto-immune
response. It is the organism attacking itself. It is the person who says, "I
hate myself." or, "I hate the situation that I am in and can't escape it."
or, "This thing is eating me up.". It is the person who is "burning up" with
rage or jealousy, who is stiffened and paralyzed by fear and/or unrelenting
and unforgiving stress. It is the person who dares not make a move due to
indecision and/or any other concern or weakness. There is no exception to
the principle. This IS the principle.

I also wrote in part:

To which Peter replied:

My reply: That would seem to be a bit of speculation there, Peter.
Allen

I think this is the essential issue, that the artificial drug-induced
disease is short lived. When I was researching the article I wrote for
Homeopathy Today (December 2001) on homeoprophylaxis, it was very clear that
all successful homeoprophylactic interventions in our literature had
followed Hahnemann's initial protocols of repeating the remedy at intervals
of 1-3 weeks, for precisely that reason.

Rosemary C. Hyde

Hello Patti,