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Dr. Roz,
No, I did not dose the Oscillo either time as prevention, but rather as treatment, (as is suggested on the package.)
Ah, now I see what you are explaining . . . if I had dosed it as prevention, it would not have added fuel to the flu symptoms fire.
Ok, thank you for repeating that part of the explanation - I missed that last night when I was reading. Very important. Deb
But did you take the Oscillo as prevention before you got sick or while you already had symptoms? As I wrote earlier on, if you did the latter, then you increased to load on your system and made things worse.

I am more worried about Paracetamol being OTC and cigarettes in groceries....

Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD."The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"www.naturamedica.co.nz

I'm curious to know on what grounds you seem to have used
Oscillococcinum. How/by what were you persuaded to take it?

Hennie

Op 27-2-2020 om 2:59 schreef Debra Lamana debralamana@sbcglobal.net
[minutus]:

Hi Dr. Roz,
I just emailed Oscillococcinum to ask about the bird. Will let you know what they say.
Atb,
Leilanae

Hi Hennie,
I had considered Gels first based on Hercu's recommendation but mistakenly thought I did not meet enough important criteria to dose it. I had limited remedies on hand when the flu symptoms began, and was feeling quite ill, so took what I had on hand at home which was the Oscillo. It was not a carefully measured decision but more one of needing to take 'something' for relief.
I will admit that I certainly have learned a lot during this flu illness, and if good learning came of this, that is more than you can say for many illnesses. Deb
I'm curious to know on what grounds you seem to have used
Oscillococcinum. How/by what were you persuaded to take it?

Hennie

Op 27-2-2020 om 2:59 schreef Debra Lamana debralamana@sbcglobal.net
[minutus]:

This is from Robin Murphy’s materia medica (taken from an old Minutus post):

Murphy's Materia Medica

FOLKLORE - In the year 1925 Joseph Roy is believed to have observed in
some conditions of a culture the existence of a germ animated by an
oscillating movement. He named the nosode Oscillococcinum because of
this fact.
These researches helped him to describe a remedy of which the clinical
experiments in the infections of influenza were carried out in
particular by Paul Chavanon. Oscillococcinum was developed by Boiron
Laboratory in France. Pierre Schmidt says Oscillococcinum is for
"influenza at the beginning as a preventive, as well as during
convalescence" Planets: Mercury.
MEDICAL - Influenza of all types, especially in the earlier stages.
Bursting headaches and muscle aching. Tendency to get influenza.
Anxiety, paleness, chill. Sensitiveness to barometric weather changes.
Tuberculous patients sensitive to cold. Paleness, asthenia,
hyperthermia. Eye and nasal catarrh. Bronchial congestion. Painful
congestion of the ear drum. Gastro-intestinal troubles with the
influenza. "Mastoiditis, at the beginning of a disease which does not
develop." (Schmidt)
This is a faithful remedy at the beginning of influenza, of rhinitis
and otitis. Given early it is very efficacious.
To obtain good results in a case which begins and to cut short the
manifestations of influenza, it is necessary to use one dose of
Oscillococcinum 200c every 2 to 3 hours or repeat only if necessary.
Modalities - Better by heat. Better by rest. Worse by milk. Worse by eggs.
MIND - Subjects with fixed ideas, obsessions. Agony, anxious without
any motive. Obstinate. A busy body, maniac, cannot bear disorder. Fear
of dirt. Fear of being polluted. Has the need to wash his hands very
often and is afraid of giving his hand to others for the fear of
pollution, contagion.
CLINICAL - Aches. Anxiety. Bronchitis. Conjunctivitis. Ear pain.
Fears. Headaches. Influenza. Gastro-intestinal disorders. Mastoiditis.
Rhinitis. Sinuisitis. Varicose ulcer.
Abdomen - Abdominal cramping pains followed by fetid diarrhea. Pains
in the appendix region.
Ears - Pains sometimes as if from needles in one or both ears.
Tympanum red and swollen. Diminution of hearing acuity. Mastoiditis.
Eyes - Conjunctivitis of influenza. Yellow conjunctiva. Eye catarrh.
Face - Pain in the frontal and maxillary region.
Food - Can digest neither milk nor eggs.
Head - Bursting headaches. Headache with considerable throbbing.
Kidneys - Turbid urine, less abundant, deep color. Sometimes painful
urination.
Lungs - Muco-purulent expectoration with humid cough.
Mouth - Tongue white.
Nose - Nasal voice. Nasal catarrh. Stuffed nose, nasal obstruction,
sneezing. Serous discharge from the nose, then muco-purulent.
Rectum - Constipation.
Skin - Varicose type of ulcers of the legs.
Stomach - Swelling of the stomach. Putrid regurgitations. Vomiting of
water or food.
Temperature - Bruised sensation, chill, hyperthermia.
Throat - Aphonia, dry painful cough.
COMPARE - (1) Eup-per., Gels., Pyrog., Bapt., Ars. Influ. (2)
Gaulphimia glauca - Hypersecretion of the nasal and ocular mucous,
sneezing, hypersensitivity to change of weather. (3) Gelinsoga
purviflora - Morning headache, makes mistakes when writing numbers and
letters, stuffed nose, augmentation of diuresis, joint pains,
lassitude, feels as if bruised. (4) Ginko biloba - Pale face, drawn
traits, numbness and chill. Laryngeal irritation with cough, frontal
and left supra - orbita pain. (4) Luffa operculata - Frontal-occipital
headache, acute or chronic inflammation of the mucous membrane of the
nasal fossa, lassitude and bodily fatigue.
RELATIONS - Eup-per. is to be associated with it.
Peace,
Dale

Thanks very much for sending this, Dale.
Deb
This is from Robin Murphy’s materia medica (taken from an old Minutus post):
Murphy's Materia Medica

FOLKLORE - In the year 1925 Joseph Roy is believed to have observed in
some conditions of a culture the existence of a germ animated by an
oscillating movement. He named the nosode Oscillococcinum because of
this fact.
These researches helped him to describe a remedy of which the clinical
experiments in the infections of influenza were carried out in
particular by Paul Chavanon. Oscillococcinum was developed by Boiron
Laboratory in France. Pierre Schmidt says Oscillococcinum is for
"influenza at the beginning as a preventive, as well as during
convalescence" Planets: Mercury.
MEDICAL - Influenza of all types, especially in the earlier stages.
Bursting headaches and muscle aching. Tendency to get influenza.
Anxiety, paleness, chill. Sensitiveness to barometric weather changes.
Tuberculous patients sensitive to cold. Paleness, asthenia,
hyperthermia. Eye and nasal catarrh. Bronchial congestion. Painful
congestion of the ear drum. Gastro-intestinal troubles with the
influenza. "Mastoiditis, at the beginning of a disease which does not
develop." (Schmidt)
This is a faithful remedy at the beginning of influenza, of rhinitis
and otitis. Given early it is very efficacious.
To obtain good results in a case which begins and to cut short the
manifestations of influenza, it is necessary to use one dose of
Oscillococcinum 200c every 2 to 3 hours or repeat only if necessary.
Modalities - Better by heat. Better by rest. Worse by milk. Worse by eggs.
MIND - Subjects with fixed ideas, obsessions. Agony, anxious without
any motive. Obstinate. A busy body, maniac, cannot bear disorder. Fear
of dirt. Fear of being polluted. Has the need to wash his hands very
often and is afraid of giving his hand to others for the fear of
pollution, contagion.
CLINICAL - Aches. Anxiety. Bronchitis. Conjunctivitis. Ear pain.
Fears.. Headaches. Influenza. Gastro-intestinal disorders. Mastoiditis.
Rhinitis. Sinuisitis. Varicose ulcer.
Abdomen - Abdominal cramping pains followed by fetid diarrhea. Pains
in the appendix region.
Ears - Pains sometimes as if from needles in one or both ears.
Tympanum red and swollen. Diminution of hearing acuity. Mastoiditis.
Eyes - Conjunctivitis of influenza. Yellow conjunctiva. Eye catarrh.
Face - Pain in the frontal and maxillary region.
Food - Can digest neither milk nor eggs.
Head - Bursting headaches. Headache with considerable throbbing.
Kidneys - Turbid urine, less abundant, deep color. Sometimes painful
urination.
Lungs - Muco-purulent expectoration with humid cough.
Mouth - Tongue white.
Nose - Nasal voice. Nasal catarrh. Stuffed nose, nasal obstruction,
sneezing. Serous discharge from the nose, then muco-purulent.
Rectum - Constipation.
Skin - Varicose type of ulcers of the legs.
Stomach - Swelling of the stomach. Putrid regurgitations. Vomiting of
water or food.
Temperature - Bruised sensation, chill, hyperthermia.
Throat - Aphonia, dry painful cough.
COMPARE - (1) Eup-per., Gels., Pyrog., Bapt., Ars. Influ. (2)
Gaulphimia glauca - Hypersecretion of the nasal and ocular mucous,
sneezing, hypersensitivity to change of weather. (3) Gelinsoga
purviflora - Morning headache, makes mistakes when writing numbers and
letters, stuffed nose, augmentation of diuresis, joint pains,
lassitude, feels as if bruised. (4) Ginko biloba - Pale face, drawn
traits, numbness and chill. Laryngeal irritation with cough, frontal
and left supra - orbita pain. (4) Luffa operculata - Frontal-occipital
headache, acute or chronic inflammation of the mucous membrane of the
nasal fossa, lassitude and bodily fatigue.
RELATIONS - Eup-per. is to be associated with it.
Peace,
Dale

Good one, thanks Dale!

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Would you say that either Oscillo. or influenzinum could be used prophylactically — and do you (or anyone) have any preference for one or the other?

Actually, there’s an article in the BMJ Case Reports (2015) about a supposed anaphylactic reaction to Oscillococcinum with angioedema and a tongue so swollen the patient couldn’t close his mouth. Apparently some reports to the FDA (3) also list angioedema as an adverse effect.

Naturally, there was no exploration of other potential causes. Since there’s no proving of Oscilloc. we don’t really have a full symptom picture, only symptoms drawn from a handful of cases years ago.

Peace,
Dale

Is there any problem to give out this information about taking oscillococcinum to general public? It is sold as otc.
Actually, there’s an article in the BMJ Case Reports (2015) about a supposed anaphylactic reaction to Oscillococcinum with angioedema and a tongue so swollen the patient couldn’t close his mouth. Apparently some reports to the FDA (3) also list angioedema as an adverse effect.
Naturally, there was no exploration of other potential causes. Since there’s no proving of Oscilloc. we don’t really have a full symptom picture, only symptoms drawn from a handful of cases years ago.

Peace,
Dale