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Re: memory of water

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:25 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Can't remember where I saw a phrase referring to the drug/medical cabal as a cult.

This is a word that I have been using myself this year after a couple of nasty dealings with medical people.

They are incapable of hearing anything other than their own voices. Worse is their hostility to anything

that contradicts. It is called Cognitive Dissonance which means these people will literally go to war with

you if you try to insert a new/different concept. And given their power one needs to be careful as these

people will go after you legally removing your children or institutionalizing you to force compliance with

drug use!
t

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:42 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Some of us are simply curious and want to know how what they give does not, not only that it does work. To my mind, knowing the mechanism of action of something (remedy, herb, drug, manipulation) and finding out that something else works the same way more or less allows me to try that "something else" even if it is not known for a similar action and widen the scope of my practice.

I could not give a rat's gluteus maximus or minumus about what the "others" think or believe. As soon as I saw clinical results I accepted the fact that acupuncture and homeopathy "work". It took me a few months to fully understand parts of the mechanics of acupuncture and years to devise an understanding of the remedies engineering and believe it or not, that roots me a lot more in my practice than just "it works"....but that is just me, and quite a few others who are interested.

Setting aside the control by big pharma on my former colleagues, there is a lot of fear and anxiety involved when confronting "alternative" medicine; after so many years of study and specialisation, and boy do we go into minute details, you are confronted with the harsh reality that with all the knowledge and technology you still cannot provide the cures you went into medicine in the first place, then people who do not "know" as much as you do about the human/animal body tell you they can and actually do provide the cures you are hungering for...you should see the face of my GP when I come with my shopping list or when I send a patient back for testing or when a diagnosis has been missed that needs surgery for example (as reported by my patient): there is terror, fear of malpractice and also despondency...honestly I pity them and that is why I spend time explaining to the GPs and specialists why I want this or that, what lead me to this diagnosis without trying to belittle them...but without the firm backing of being able to go into deeper explanations, where they anyway would not be able to follow, I certainly would not be so confident and assertive...so there is logic in my madness after all.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:12 am
by Leilanae
Hi Tanya,

I'v had a few trips to Urgent Care and they don't ask for a lot of history.

I see a MD once or maybe twice a year for lab work (blood tests). Usually in and out of there in 10 minutes. I'm sure he's aware but doesn't ask a lot of questions. If something needs attention he points it out and makes suggestions.

Ask around, I'm sure you can find someone you can work with.

Atb,

Leilanae

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:05 am
by Tanya Marquette
I am just appalled at how the medical industry works. Even the 'best' is worst.

Yesterday I went to talk with someone about stem cells. There was no big wait at
the Ortho center but they took 2.5 hours of my time and did nothing. Why? Because

the only did sonar on certain days so I would need to come back for a second visit, second

cost, and second time expense. I saw one guy in NYC who spent about 5" with me total!

He was a small, lone proprietorship with only a receptionist/assistant. But he had somewhat

of a holistic background and knew homeopathy amoung other protocols. My trip to the City

plus visit with doctor took no more than seeing this other one who was only 1/2 hour away.

This medical center asked lots of background questions but nothing about my condition or

why I wanted stem cells. They knew nothing about most of the supplements used, including

the differences betw Vit D3 and synthetic Vit D, or Vit K1 and K2, info that should be real basic by

now. Found it very scarey being around them. But they cleaned that place real well with

toxic stuff that burned my nose and made me want to just run out of there. If I said anything,

they would have had no idea what I was talking about. They were more concerned that I
didn't have a pharmacy and gave me grief because of that. I finally told them to make one up

as they were totally stuck on that! While being a low key environment, they were horribly

controlling and had no idea how to talk with someone who knew anything about her body
or the treatment being sought. For that matter, the people working there knew nothing

about stem cells much less that they even provided that service. But this is a big place that

many people use for orthopedic treatment/surgery and it has a good reputation. All I can

figure is that reputation is based on their death rate being low!

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:31 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Unfortunately, that isn’t true. I’ve talked with (and in other cases avoided talking with) people who are so sold on the “it must not work because it can’t work” idea that they really can’t even hear anything to the contrary. Some of those people are deeply committed to the idea that it can’t / doesn’t work, but I know others who actually would be happy to explore it, if they could find it credible. (And I’ve learned the hard way that my “miracle story” is their “just another anecdote”, oh well.)
Shannon

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:36 pm
by Leilanae
Hi again,

Do you subscribe to "Medscape"? It discusses the latest topics and helps one understand the current mind-set.

It's sort of like...........if you want something they have, you have to play their game. Some are more flexible than others, ask around.
Atb,

Leilanae

Re: memory of water

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:56 pm
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
No matter what healing method is used, every single cure is an anecdotal one. But....when you collect hundreds of thousands of them, this becomes a statistically significant cohort that is valid, no matter what anyone says.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz