Minutus

And PS: If your homeopath is *not* a beginner as are you, you would be, um,
rash to assume that your new knowledge on this particular point should
outweigh hers...
Shannon
on 8/1/02 9:24 PM, Maria Hristova-Kazmierski at MariaSweets@msn.com wrote:

But this is a discussion that should take place with the *homeopath*, not
with the patient. Unless you are taking over the case.

Because now she is faced with being (analogy alert) afraid to leave her
house in case a truck jumps the curb and hits her (i.e. paralyzing fear over
an unlikely occurrence -- check out the *statistics* of where dry dose works
fine vs. where there are problems).

While I agree that (probably) one pellet would be better than 6, and quite
possibly (tho my own experience doesn't give me any opinion one way or ther
other) water dose might be better than dry, it's still a fact that (from 150
years of many people's experience) even this "high-risk" multiple pellets,
single dose, 4th ed homeopathy is worlds and worlds better than most if not
all alternatives.

So you would have her chuck a good (so far as we know) practitioner in order
to shave that .05% of a risk factor? Does not seem to me like a kindness.
Unless you have something better to offer her.

Shannon
on 8/2/02 5:35 AM, Dave Hartley at dave@localcomputermart.com wrote:

PS to Dave,

But I guess I should have asked first, What do you suggest she *do*? Treat
herself? Accept part of her homepath's instructions but edit them to suit?
Argue with the homeopath?

Okay, ideally she will *discuss* it with the homeopath, who will quickly get
up to speed on 6th ed procedures and give her new instructions based on
that. But if this fails, or takes a longer time than the patient wants to
wait before beginning treatment, what are you suggesting that she do?

Shannon
on 8/2/02 7:45 AM, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Dear Minutus,

My only suggestion in regards to the Silica 1M dose is (in general) to
use less pills. 6 to 8 pills of any size is a bit large for a child. Too
many homoeopaths still think that the number of pills makes no difference
so it doesn't matter if one gives 1 or 1000 pills. Unfortunately, this is
NOT the case. This was Kent's biggest mistake. The number of pills has a
direct impact on the primary action of the remedy and is a key factor in
the production of aggravations and accessory symptoms. Hahnemann suggest
the average dry dose should be of 1 or 2 tiny pills with good reasons. He
aggravated and disrupted to many cases by using larger numbers, especially
in high potencies. The higher the potency and the accurate the prescription
- the more critical the size of the dose becomes.

As to the liquid vs dry dose. This is little doubt that the medicinal
solution offers one much more options related to posology and case
management. Nevertheless, it is very foolish to think just because one uses
the liquid dose the remedy can be repeated daily or on alternate days in
some mechanical fashion. This also leads to too much primary action just
like too many pills of a dry dose and will cause aggravation and accessory
symptoms. I would rather be in the hands of a careful dry dose wait and
watch 4th Organon homoeopath than to surrender my vital force to some
mechanist who gives the medicinal solution to everyone daily or on
alternate days without assessing sensitivity. Nevertheless, one should
remember that the medicinal solutions is suitable of high and low potencies
as well as the single dose and repeating the remedy at suitable intervals
to speed the cure, *when necessary*. If a single dose causes a striking
response repeating the dose (wet or dry) will be counter indicated.

As to the specific case that was posted, I can only say to wait and
watch. If there are no problems and the case improves - no changes are
needed at the moment. If there are problems the larger dose should be
adjusted in a manner that suits the circumstances. This must be discussed
with the prescribing homoeopath. Sometimes a larger number of pills does
not seem to cause any trouble while at other times it can be very
disruptive. I normally suggest starting with the smallest possible dose and
working the size of the dose upward if and when necessary. In this way, we
produce the least amount of aggravations, accessory symptoms and
antagonistic counter actions of the vital force. It is much less painful
and disruptive to increase the dose as needed then to suffer aggravations
caused by using too large a dose in the beginning. It is also harder to
correct an over dose then to correct too small a dose.

Sincerely, David Little

I have been watching the discussion on the number of pills for the dry dose
and I realized that no one has asked the SIZE of the pills #10, #20, #30,
#40? I doubt 6-8 number 10 pellets is a concern to anyone on the list, for
example.

just a thought

russell swift, dvm

Unless there is a complicated case, why cant this person work with someone
over the phone who does not live in NC?
Almost all of our patients are out of town by referral, family members of
former clients etc. To be honest, I do not refer cases unless I know the
Homeopath personally or their history. I made that mistake several years ago.
If the person is going to take a good case, has photos or a video, or is good
at eliciting the proper answers, this should never be an issue.
Just another opinion.....
CG

Hi Cindee,

I'm curious, do you find your results are as good with telephone cases? In
my experience most prescribers (am I wrong?) are reluctant to work without
face-to-face contact at least for the initial interview. What's your
experience with it been?

Shannon
on 8/2/02 5:45 PM, CindeeG@aol.com at CindeeG@aol.com wrote:

Hi Shannon,
At the beginning of my Homeopathic career, it was best to see people in
person. It took many years to develop the case taking art, even after years
of study, several Homeopathic certifications and sitting in live case
analysis with my instructors. (Those of you who know me will remember me as
the one DR. Eizayaga yelled at most of the class!) You really need the
working knowledge of Homeopathy..trying to use the person's words to fit the
terms of the repertory language, getting out the pertinent info, sometimes in
a round about way, a general knowledge of many of the remedies, the ones to
use as backups, and of course, an understanding of the Organon.
After many years of practice, I watched as clients moved to other cities,
sent relatives and friends, because they were comfortable with me, and out of
necessity, started doing cases after sending an 18 page health history in the
mail, letting the person fill it out and then scheduling a time to talk with
them on the phone. I also ask for photos, recent lab tests, drug sheets etc.
After the interview, and after working up the case, I have had many good
results using Homeopathy, sometimes adding a supplement or herbal tincture in
drop doses, dietary recommendations, or whatever the case might call for in
addition. Then after four to six weeks, we have another conversation to
adjust the doses or remedies according to what is going on with them at the
time. When I have any questions, or would like to see something, I simply ask
for a video.
A large part of my practice is working with vaccine damaged children, most of
them out of state, many with epilepsy. In these cases, I insist on videos.
This has worked very well for me. I really rely on seeing something for those
types of cases. I was also tricked by a couple of skin problems until I got
the video, because of poor descriptions. Other than that, have had no
problems.
Although I supposed some would cringe at the idea of "phone consults". I
believe that healing has no boundaries. Believe me, I have tried ti send
people to other Homeopaths, several when I felt they weren't improving fast
enough and a fresh perspective would be helpful, and they eventually came
back again.
Maybe it's because we hit it off and established a good working relationship.
Who knows? I also am mentoring some people who live in Europe currently. They
have had people sent to them, they send me the cases, I write a bunch of
questions after reading it and they take the case from there. It gives them a
chance of doing practical Homeopathy without having to be in my city.
Look at the help many of the readers are getting from the internet?
I have stuck around to glean some of David L.'s philosophy. He arouses
something in me and brings back the student feeling. I have a full time
practice, usually til 8pm every night. Sorry to say, most of the posts, I
have to delete without reading, but every now and then, one catches my eye!
Bottom Line.......I'd rather have a person sit across from me with a cup of
tea, but it's not always the way it happens in real life. And my in office
consults and over the phone consults get the same love and attention!

Thanks, Cindee,
I am so pleased to hear that phone consults can work well if the h'th is up
to it, and appreciate your explanation of what it takes!

Because it's a point I'm very unclear on, could you say a bit about how you
use lab tests -- if that's a "say a bit" sort of topic?

Thanks!
Shannon
on 8/3/02 12:16 AM, CindeeG@aol.com at CindeeG@aol.com wrote:

Lab tests can be a helpful tool.
I'll give you several examples to help explain how I've used them in practice.
A woman who found out her cholesterol and her blood pressure was out of
range, told her Doctor (and her family, who were in favor of the
pharmaceutical drugs) that she wanted to try natural therapies before going
on a medication.
We used Homeopathic remedies according to her case, and alchemically
processed herbs, and a tissue salt. In three months, when she returned to be
retested, the blood tests confirmed that she was doing quite well. This gave
her confidence to continue with homeopathy, appeased the Doc and the family.
She is now an avid Homeopathic study group member. Her levels are very good,
and many of her other symptoms have cleared up as well.
I use an inexpensive saliva home test kit on women before giving them herbs
based on their estro/progest/test levels. They actually test themselves, it
comes back to them and they mail me a copy. Of course, above all, I do a long
case taking to get the proper remedies. I also cheat using some supportives.
My education was in lab sciences, so I actually enjoy getting all of the
tests and watching them change.
I have shocked several colleagues who challenged my practice using only
Homeopathics and allowing them to see the changes. Challenging cases, where
the client has no symptoms, such as Hepatitis C and the like, I can use the
tests to show the difference to the clients. Hope this answers your
questions. You can e-mail me directly for additional info....don't want to
bore the group by going too much off the main subject.

Cindee G.