Minutus

Now why would you chose to sound like the hostile skeptics of homeopathy? You may

legitimately have questions but why use the same kind of hostile condescension of the very

people trying to destroy homeopathy.
t

But we know he's *not* a hostile skeptic, so let's not take it personally...
It's actually IMO a very interesting question, which leads to other very interesting questions.
Intriguing!

I did not make accusations but indicated how the question came through. And I stand by my reaction to it.

If we sound like our antagonists, then we will serve their purpose and too often homeopaths do just that.

t

Because in a way we are offerring them fodder to burn us There is a Homoeopath who takes your case writes the name of the medicine on paper and asks you to drink that as your remedy. There is another who takes your case opens up Kent pr Bpericke and asks you to read it and that becomes your remedy. Otjers do hair tranission and still others send you vobrations through the internet. Yoi are right I am a great skeptic of all theseand many others. Just because someone says something iz Homeopathic does not mean we have to blindly accept it on faith.
Sorryif I am a bot jarsh but at times we end up digging our own grave for Homoeopaty

Haha, well it would not occur to me to convert a musical instrument into a remedy; however even helios sell sound and colour remedies, so who knows. Joke aside, I do get the skepticism, I really do!

What I can say to this is that a number of years ago, I had no idea about homeopathy. My child had a health problem and I could not find help from doctors. I came across homeopathy online and was presented with both, great success stories and at the same time a huge amount of skepticism. I decided to ignore the negative comments and gave it a shot. I am so glad I did! The same approach I applied to the remedy maker. Too many people report good results with remedy makers for them to be ignored. I would like to hear experiences from others! As Shannon said the topic is most intriguing.

Regards

Jeanine
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I think you miss my point Elham.

Also, using a remedy making machine is not anything close to what you describe. The machine doesn't take the case, the practitioner does.

The machine is just a tool to make the remedy and allows the practitioner to respond rapidly and to provide remedies not easily available.

So you need to be clear on these differences. And you do not have to use a remedy maker. But if others get good results, it is their choice.
t

I think the topic is great but my criticism was for an attitude that struck me as condescending and unhelpful
t

That is why I cannot take the White Mountain machine completely seriously at this time. The others are difficult to grasp as well but there are people who say they work. At the same time, homeopathy is a bit hard to take but for some reason, I chose to try it - and it worked. I am open to most things but I do want to maintain a healthy skepticism until I have some proof that things really do work.
Thanks, Jeanine, and others for all your info. It has been most helpful. I believe I will buy the Eagle remedy maker and the Sulis mini-machine -
MK1. All I will be needing with the Sulis is a machine that can read and copy the already made remedies. If I want to make more of those remedies, I can copy them on the Eagle or make them again with the Sulis. Really, I believe the Sulis MK3 that Jeanine has is the best machine and the best deal but I do not have time to wait for delivery from England due to my travel situation. Maybe at some point in the future, I will buy the MK3.

I told this story on Minutus years ago but it may be a good time to repeat it. I noticed early on that when I "took my own case" and identified a remedy for myself, the symptoms that I had that brought me to that remedy usually disappeared. It seems that this may be evidence to support the use of nothing more than a remedy/substance name to begin the healing process as that is what was happening at these times.
Thanks again to everyone for all the info.

Hi Allen,
It's different in your situation. I might pick up flak from vitalist's, but here goes. It's long but try and bear with me. I'll differentiate what's hahnemann and what's me.

The mechanism of action of a homeopathic remedy :
We have a vital force which is given instructions and directions from the indwelling spirit. (aph 9). Based on our perception of reality, the indwelling spirit controls the vital force to best achieve "the mission".
In disease there is an inner disease state that takes control or re-directs the vital force. This produces symptoms of disorder. We divert from our mission. Our sense of reality is determined by the perception or delusions brought on by the inner disease state.
A potentized remedy can also give redirection to the vital force. We see this with provings.
There can be only one control of the vital force at a time.
If there are two attempts to control the vital force, most often, the stronger one dominates and the weaker one ceases. If the influences are dissimilar, the weaker one will return once the stronger one fades off.
If the influences are similar, the stronger extinguishes the weaker.
A similar (homeopathic) remedy is usually stronger and similar to the inner disease state. So it extinguishes the weaker inner disease influence.
Eventually the remedies influence wears off. Then the vital force comes once again under the influence of the indwelling spirit.
(This is all hahnemann - organon).

How the inner disease redirects the vital force is through a pattern of delusions that give a false sense of reality. As does a potentized remedy. This is based on the archetypal information of the remedy. When we need arsenicum homeopathically, we are in an ars alb state. Our delusions fears etc are all ars alb. Our vital force reacts accordingly. We cannot expel this inner state by ourselves. It is holds us in a delusional, dis-eased state.
If we saw someone else in a dis-eased state, we would usually see the delusions. We could advise them. "you don't have to wash your hands 10 times. Your finances are ok. Try and relax, you don't have to be so busy all the time".
We see this because we have perspective. As individuals we are apart from others and our environment. So we can have perspective. We don't need to take a step back, because we are not entrenched in the others delusions. Even if their state is similar to ours, sometimes it helps us heal. We "learn" from others experience etc.

When we take the simillimum remedy, it gives us an image of the inner state, but from the outside. ie we can have perspective of the remedy state,and therefore also of the inner disease state. So we heal on the delusional level. This is because we gain an awareness and consequently an understanding of the delusional state.
(This is my thoughts).
So now back to your statement. If you study a remedy, and then find your symptoms clear.,it might be that you learn about the delusional state. You experience a kind of therapy session and understand the archetypal state of the remedy. Maybe, - I'm not saying this happens. So you are able to work through your inner disease state and consequently it loses it's hold on your vital force. Without the vital force there can be no life. This is true for us as well as the inner disease state. When the remedy controls the vital force, the inner disease cannot exist anymore. The same if you gain knowledge of the inner disease state, on a dynamic level, it loses its delusional effect and cannot survive. But this would require you knowing the remedy on a very thorough dynamic level.
Anyway that's just my opinion.

So on to the remedy on paper for the patient. In that instance, there is no knowledge of the remedy at a dynamic level, for the patient. You could write lachesis or sepia or ddt and the patient is none the wiser. The patient will not have developed an understanding to the depth required to understand the inner state. A "remedy machine" likewise produces only frequency, not an archetypal energy such as we have with potentized remedies. Healing is not through energy, but through archetypal similarity. I don't believe the machines have that capability. They mimic some or other frequency of a remedy, but not the archetypal forces which are spiritual in nature. Definitely writing the word is even more improbable. Did the machine learn to speak?

Regards,
Paul
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