Minutus

Tanya, that is *exactly* what I'm saying, thank you!

Hello Friends, just my last comment on this.
I cannot know all the details.

My solution is to pray for what is best for humanity, what is best for our world, and for the USA.
'Insight Timer' a meditation App. has a 356 day meditation going on for world peace- if your concerned join us. Besides a daily meditation I have added prayers, started a daily rosary, that the absolute best happens for our
Country.
I think there are enough of us underneath this mess all over the world that we can turn this. I think there is a substructure of good people, no matter which side they feel is right, that can join hands in prayer with out judgement.

Hate and judgement is fueling this movement. No good can come out of those vibrations.

Warmly, Maria

Why should anyone trust "what can be found online"? This can be as much a bunch of lies as what you say is true?

Why should I trust whoever or whatever you trust? Because you say so? Because it is written in a place you trust but I do not?

Wake up!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Trusting or not trusting is one thing and everyone's choice to make. Being a carefree follower of whatever doctrine or person based solely on ideology or mental laziness is another. I have presented overwhelming evidence and statements that I claim are factual. You and others say that I am wrong but have never looked into anything I have provided.
Could you respect that? You called it being "asleep". I agreed with your claim that you are asleep.
Where's my crime?
Believe what you want - all of you. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Some day you will understand as for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Look it up.
C

How would you know anyone here has not looked into it and found it wrong?

No crime here BTW....but using "reliable sources" that you claim are factual gave use this type of "founded affirmations:
Reliable sources say that vaccines are safe; vaccine save the world; high cholesterol is dangerous; statins are good; homeopathy is non-sense, etc,.....

You can claim and believe whatever you want for what I care.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

I know because those who bother to respond, do so in a manner
inconsistent with having learned, accepted, or investigated anything
new or beond what they have been saying from the beginning. Everyone
is free to think and/or believe anything they want but, man, open your
minds. The evidence is compelling and beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Instead of even caring about such things and making the attempt to
free oneself from the control of international globalists who are
taking freedom from humanity inch by crooked inch, there are people
who actually support these people and condemn anyone whose purpose is
to stop them. Were it not so tragic, this would be terribly funny.

Also, I do not want to offend or hurt anyone so I usually pull my
punches and just let most things slide rather than even bother to
answer them. I told you all before, I am used to abuse and so I mostly
just let it pass.

There is one thing, however, that I would like to answer. You said
that "reliable sources" claim that homeopathy is nonsense and that
stains and vaccines are good, "etc".. If all the things you are
referring to are the opposite of what those "reliable sources" are
saying and you know that and can prove it, then those sources are not
reliable - are they? I will bet my life and whatever good name I have
(not much here I am sure) that whatever source I use to get my
information is reliable. In fact, I am so sure of what I say - just
as sure as I am that homeopathy works and vaccines are dangerous -
that I would bet any amount of money against anyone who thinks they
can disprove what I am saying. Of course, this will never happen but I
leave this challenge open for anyone, anywhere, any time. I also have
no problem in saying that I CAN disprove any and all of the things
that people say to me to counter my arguments such as "Racial attacks
by whites against blacks have increased greatly since Trump was
elected". Of course, those kinds of things are just invented out of
thin air and are actually the opposite of what is truly happening as
it is white and black Trump supporters who are now and always have
been under attack.

I really do not want to go on with this anymore so if anyone REALLY
wants to say anything about this thread, please write to me privately
at allen73call@gmail.com .I will not answer any more messages of this
nature on Minutus.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 4:05 PM, 'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD'
jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] wrote:

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 4:05 PM, 'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD'
jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] wrote:

I'll gladly take that as a promise.

Dear Allen
Please send me HARD evidence of what you wrote about Obama. What I mean is evidence that can be submitted to court!

If there is no real hard evidence, then you may have endangered Minutus and it could be shut down.
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:25 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RFK JR to work with Trump on Vaccine Issues
Trusting or not trusting is one thing and everyone's choice to make. Being a carefree follower of whatever doctrine or person based solely on ideology or mental laziness is another. I have presented overwhelming evidence and statements that I claim are factual. You and others say that I am wrong but have never looked into anything I have provided.

Could you respect that? You called it being "asleep". I agreed with your claim that you are asleep.

Where's my crime?

Believe what you want - all of you. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Some day you will understand as for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Look it up.
C
Why should anyone trust "what can be found online"? This can be as much a bunch of lies as what you say is true?

Why should I trust whoever or whatever you trust? Because you say so? Because it is written in a place you trust but I do not?

Wake up!

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

You have found all the hard evidence you will need contained within your question. If there is a possibility of Minutus being shut down for discussing these issues or any other issues, then you are under the control of a fascist, dictatorial, tyranny which would eventually shut you down anyway. Europeans are used to this type of thing as are the Canadians, who are all prohibited from discussing certain things that the government does not want to be discussed. Yet, the people of those nations believe this is "normal" and acquiesce. The communist Chinese do that as well. Also, the North Koreans,many Middle Eastern tyrannies, Cuba, and nations around the world who do not trust their people to make their own decisions. Oddly enough, all the nations that do these things are idolized by the "progressives" and held up as models for "workers" around the world. Brilliant thinkers,those progressives.

In the US, there is a thing called the first amendment which prohibits the government from regulating speech although they are now trying to implement such bans. That is why obama turned over control of the internet from the US to the UN on Oct. 1. That is why the feds and the CIA are trying so hard to label internet sources as "fake news" while, in fact, it is the various news operations run by the CIA deep state such as CNN, NBC, CBS, Fox, and all the rest of the fakestream media which are the fake news. They are all professional liars. This is why the federal government has come up with what they have given the Orwellian name of the "Fairness Doctrine" in which the controllers will decide what is "fair" to be said on television and radio, thus circumventing the first amendment. The same is true with the so called "Net Neutrality" which will regulate speech on the internet. Facebook and Google have also entered the fight on the side of the government and not only report what the people are searching for and saying on their sites but are working to censor their speech as well. I have noticed that some right here on Minutus throw these names and ideas around as though they are good things and support their implementation against the interests of the American people and their own freedom.
The support for encroaching tyranny comes from low information voters/citizens whom the Clinton campaign referred to as just that. Their plan, as exposed by Julian Assange and Wiki-Leaks, is to dumb down Americans and keep them fed a constant stream of high sounding disinformation so that they can always be counted on for a supportive vote. Thus, the racist Hellary Clinton will be turned into a lover of everything non-white, all to the detriment and subterfuge of not only whites, but non-whites who will be deceived by her as well. To know these things, one only has to pay attention - not to the CIA controlled fakestream media but to news sources which one might actually have to search for to find. In order to have motivation to learn these things, one must first have a love for the truth which, sadly, only a small percentage of the people are actually willing to commit to.
I have mentioned several times that the book, 1984, ought to be read by everyone, particularly those who are so sure of their own information and awareness. Those who reject out of hand the things that I am saying are intellectually lazy and dishonest and simply do not love the truth. So called "progressives" are weak and sissified for the most part, and have an emotionally based worldview in which anyone who does not engage in their version of groupthink is the enemy who is subhuman and who must be destroyed. Progressives use such words as racist, fascist, etc. without even knowing in many cases what these words mean and what they imply. Progressives are generally speaking, those who populate the ranks of the targeted low information class. The dominant emotion upon which the progressive worldview is based is fear. Of course, one must be fearful when one's god is the government and the imaginary freedom which comes from the idea that one ought to be able to do anything one wishes with one's life and body.
Now, to the request for "hard evidence" regarding th things I have said. On the surface, that would be a reasonable request but none of this is on the surface. Darkness can never be found only on the surface. What makes a person who would ask a question like that any different from one who would ask for "hard evidence" of the effectiveness of homeopathy? Such people have had every opportunity to examine the evidence regarding homeopathy for around 250 years. Have they made the first step to do so? In virtually every case, the honest answer would be no. Why will they not do so? It is because they are lazy, dishonest, and do not love the truth. Where is the proof that vaccines are harmful? Virtually everyone reading this will say that they are but show me the hard evidence? Despite the thousands of examples of children ostensibly being harmed, there is nothing beyond a circumstantial association between vaccination and neurological and/or other damage to a person. Where is the proof that the Earth travels around the sun? No one can prove that to me if I do not want to believe it. Why should I accept the word of some person who makes that claim? I, like everyone else, can choose to believe or not to believe despite whatever evidence one may present to me. In that light, the presentation of evidence of any kind would be futile as you would mock, deny, and slander anything I said to you anyway.
Where is the evidence that you have made an attempt to explore any of the issues I have raised? It is evident to me that everyone here has the ability to use a computer. Why is it that very few, if any, have taken a moment to do a keyword search on any of these things sufficient to prove, disprove, support, or deny any or all of what I have spoken of. Why have you not done that?
I told you before that I am no one's servant. If you loved the truth, the most valuable thing in the world, you would have made an effort to learn it. As you obviously have not made any such effort, that evidence tells me that truth is not important to you. The only thing that is surely important to those of you who fight against the truth is to preserve your unfounded and in many cases, delusional beliefs that you have adopted under the pressure to conform, or to fully express the hive mentality that has infested the human race.
I have submitted to you within these statements all of the "hard evidence" that I will ever need to prove my points. Those who fight the truth are what Lenin and Stalin used to refer to as the "useful idiots" who do "everything they can to destroy their own country and turn it over to us so that we can further enslave them". Don't believe me? Look it up. Today, those who help the nwo to take over the world and enslave humanity even further are called "sheeple". These are the ones who go along with whatever the "leader" is doing or whatever the government is mandating. The sheeple have no God, they have only a "god" which is the government, and the orthodoxy of political correctness from which they dare not depart. They dare not think independently or challenge the orthodoxy of their fellow slaves. To do so would raise issues that might get them branded as racists or fascists, get them kicked out of the hive, or even worse, physically attacked, beaten up, or even killed - as those who believe the LIE are now doing to Trump supporters with nary a peep in protest from the sheeple who believe these are good things.
Are you really afraid that your beneficent government which does not honor freedom of speech is going to shut you down? Let me save you the worries then. Take me off of this list. I have had enough. I have done all I can do to wake you sheeple up. There is nothing more I can do or even want to do. This will be the end for me and ironically, possibly the end for some of you.
God bless you all (the real one). Please feel free to speak freely about all that has taken place here. I promise not to turn in any of you.

Alan--you have lost much credibility. Soroush asked you to provide evidence of your accusations about Obama but you have completely ignored him and the question. This is too typical of you. Ranting and accusations from an elitist, subjective and non-factual place is your game

While there are some things you say that I can agree with, your general perceptions are confused and as lacking facts as is Trump with about 95% (and I am being generous here) of what comes out of his mouth. You speak as do many of the anarcho-libertarians having lots of criticism but no real understanding of the oligarchy or history. You can trash Clinton, either of them, all you want but they are no different than the Bushes and Cheneys with the NWO.

You clearly haven't a clue about racism and its central position in the creation of this country and its ongoing functioning today. You ignore the fascist authoritarianism of Trump who wants to declare protesting a felonious behavior. So much for your support of people like this and your inability to apply unbiased analysis of the very events and facts that are before you. You also haven't a clue of the difference between capitalism and democracy, the 2 being diametrically opposed to each other. Nor do you understand the differences between Socialism and Communism and the various ways in which these systems attempted to be created. And lastly, you seem to admire Trump simply because he is big mouth corporatist who has spent his life learning to manipulate and control people.
Personally, I am sick of your self-righteous rants, your ignorance and your total lack of respect of others who may or may not agree with you.

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