Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian

[Sheri Nakken]

all I can say is dig deeper and try to let go of the programming of viruses and bacteria that has been imposed upon us.

It is not useful to me anymore.

Start with the polio issue if you want.....................................I can't tell you all the steps to take that I have taken in the last 34 years to get where I am now.

Pleomorphism
Polio never proven to be cause by a virus
and on and on.
Sheri

At 12:14 PM 8/28/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

[Irene de Villiers]

Some bacteria produce toxins for humans (like botulinum bacteria and salmonella bacteria.)
With botulism the bacterium itself is toxic, the toxins are inside them; with salmonella only the toxin they exude is toxic, not the bacteria. It matters as cooking salmonella kills the bacteria but does not remove the toxin, so you will get sick even after cooking it.
With botulism, five mins of cooking detroys the toxin. It is deadly only before cooking.

Other bacteria produce beneficial products (like butyrate, acetate and propionate short fatty acids in the gut for organ and immune system support).

A small minority of bacteria are pathogenic (disease causing), and each has a unique set of genes that determine exactly how it is pathogenic.

ANother example: Bordetella bronchiseptica - causes "walking pneumonia" in people, deadly pneumonia in cats and sheep, kennel cough in dogs. Inside the body, it destroys the alpha lipoic acid needed for properlung surface in the lungs/bronchi, which results in their destruction.

In the case of salmonella and botulinum, your immune system has no say - poison is poison. By defiitioin it is a substance the system does not know how to process the toxins and has no means to process them.

In the case of Bordetella bronchiseptica ( a cousin of WHooping cough which is Bordetella pertussis - different by one gene only) a healthy immune system will engulf the bacteria and get rid of them.

Again every bacteria or virus is individual in how it works, what it does, etc - It is all directed by their genes.
Genes code for specific proteins.
SO the gene in Bordetella B, that codes for (=makes) an enzyme (enzymes are proteins) to destroy alpha lipoic acid, is why it casues alpha lipoic acid destruction. It is not random damage that any microbe does. It is directed by their genetic material - same as humans are directed by theirs, including the variable bits of miasm/epigenes.
By contrast the whooping cough bacteria has a gene to code for a toxin that makes you cough instead of the alpha lipoic acid destruction gene of its close cousin.
Some of them eat putrefying flesh
Some of them make living flesh necrose/putrefy!
True.
If they did, I would hand out little mini-brooms and vaccuums, go into business and be a millionnaire in no time.

Namaste,
Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Apparently without learning anything about microbiology so as to know what you are "studying."
True study starts with understanding the field, hence with the basics of microbiology and virology.
You clearly have done neither.
Sorry, no dice.
Namaste,
Irene
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[Irene de Villiers]

Paul wrote
what evidence?

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[pb000014]

Hi Irene,
I don't have evidence. I said on looking on the net, I saw some info which is enough for me to study it further. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with Sheri or yourself.
The Weston Price foundation seems to have some literature showing a link between eg ddt use and reported incidents of polio like symptoms.

That doesn't mean that polio is not a virus. I believe it is a virus but possibly there have also been some cases which are reported as polio that are not. I can understand why vested interests would want to claim it is polio even if to hide any link to poisons or push the vaccine agenda.
I want to study the literature further. Until then I can't tell you what evidence.
Regards,
Paul
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Paul wrote
what evidence?

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(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

True study starts with believing that other people with a different perspective are not necessarily stupid, completely incompetent and/or corrupt, that there must be something (perhaps not everything) going on with people who have a different perspective. This is why I can never believe in the idea that microbes play no role in disease.

If Sheri or anyone else really believes that microbes play no roll in disease or that homeopathy or any other healing modality can heal everything, then I suggest that they contract the alleged non-existent rabies microbe and see what happens. But before doing that, please, oh please, buy a life insurance policy and make me the beneficiary. I will be happy to pay for the monthly premiums.

Of course I don't expect or hope that anyone would do this, but I am sick and tired of people making claims but being unwilling to back them up. But to say that all of those people working in microbiology are stupid, incompetent, or corrupt is just plain absurd beyond belief. It is psycho.
Roger Bird
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 02:08:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Man found to have been shedding virulent strain of polio for 30 years | Science | The Guardian
Apparently without learning anything about microbiology so as to know what you are "studying."
True study starts with understanding the field, hence with the basics of microbiology and virology.
You clearly have done neither.
Sorry, no dice.
Namaste,
Irene

[Irene de Villiers]

I can likely save you some time:-)

DDT and other toxins, but especially DDT, cause thymus involution even in very low dose.
The rate at which chronic diseases will occur is direcetly related to the health of the thymus. An involuted thymus results in a low to missing resistance to chronic disease includig viral diseases liek polio.
For DDT this is dose depenfent - more DDT means worse thymus efficiency.

So then you will EXPECT the rate of polio to go up in proportion with the rate of DDT used, due to the thymus damage caused by DDT. (The same applies for other thymus damaging chemicals.)

Here is a reference in that connection:

Bull Exp Biol Med. 2013 Sep;155(5):701-4.

Effects of low-dose dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane on the morphology and function of rat thymus.

Yaglova NV 1, Timokhina EP , Yaglov VV .

Author information
Abstract

The effect of low-dose dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane on the function of the immune system is a serious problem because of wide use of this pollutant. We studied the morphological and functional changes in the thymus of rats receiving low-dose dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane for 6 and 10 weeks. Histological studies detected changes characterized by lymphocyte and reticuloepitheliocyte death, progressing with increase of dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane dose, and a decrease of the thymocyte proliferative activity. The results of comparative analysis of changes in the thymuses of rats in experimental and control groups during different periods of the study indicated that low-dose dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane promoted earlier onset of age-specific involution and caused a dose-dependent acceleration of these changes.
In fact any PCBs or DDT etc, to which a woman is exposed, will cause her child to be born with thymus involution also.
Thymus damage is not properly taken into account by western medicine in any area despite that they are well aware of what cause damage to it, AND are aware of its function in prevening susceptibility to acute and chronic disease and especially as teh ONLY defense for chronic diease.
They turn a blind eye to thymus damage in favor of profits.

EVERY vaccine for example, causes some thymus damage, and most drugs do.
Steroids are worse, as one dose of glucocorticoid will destroy 90% of whatever thymus is left.
Even the magnesium stearate used to get products through machines and into capsules, is a serious thymus damaging chemical. Yet you will find it in supplements including vitamins and those to supposedly help the thymus!

Acute disease has TWO mechanisms of defence - thymus as first line of defence, and antibodies as a backup.
But chronic disease has ONLY the thymus for defence. SO if that is destroyed, then EXPECT to get a disease needing thymus defence such as cancer, lupus, arthritis, atopiy (chronic allergy), and a host of others that were less comon before thymus destruction became the norm, through vaccines and other drugs.

If you inject polio virses into an individual with an intact thymus, they will not get sick.
But introduce polio into a person with a thymus damaged by vaccines, drugs, DDT, PCB, magnesium stearate etc, and they WILL get polio.

THIS is why polio rates go up with DDT rates.
DDT does not cause polio. DDT damages the thymus.
Polio virus is welcomed by a system with a damaged thymus. Polio virus is killed by a healthy thymus, and so prevented from setting up shop and causing disease.

It matters to understand the role of the thymus, and the rate of disease when it is harmed.
It is out of date and while written in the last 20 yrs, it refers to articles from 1950s and before that show polio and DDT rates rising together wihout knowing the thymus connection, and before virology was much matured. We learned about thymus significance between 1955 and 1865, as a result of vaccine damage to the thymus being noticed (and then wel hidden by drug companies) along with the difference between natural immunity from the illness versus the horrible muckup that vaccines do.

Specifically, if you get the natural disease and survive it, eg chicken pox, mumps, measles and so forth and the disease itslef does not compromise the immuen system (so you need to exclude cancer etc to which we are unable to make antibodies for defence) then the following happens:
Thymus defences are STRENGTHENED, (and you make more TH1 thymic cytokines for defence against all diseases in future) and SOME (but not an excess) of antibodies are made as a backup, as part of the TH-2 cytokine backup system.

However if you instead get a measles etc vaccine, our thymus will go sharply DOWN in function, and be much LESS able to make TH-2 cytokines to defend agaist acute and chronic diseases, such as polio and cancer, and the antibody system will be OVERSTIMULATED, reslting in a TH-2 skewed immune system, that in future over-responds to all attacks by sendig too many antibodies, to too many things. Even pollen grains or a molecule of food getting through a compromised gut, will result in an antibody tantrum (excess Th-2 response) and immune compromise disease predisposition will result in allergy, gut issues, etc.
Only a statistical one which is due to thymus ivolution caused by DDT, thus making people susceptible and unable to defend against diseaes like polio - and NOT only polio but any disease.
Our thymus is a very wonderful organ - IF it is in working order.
Without it, we are all sitting ducks for whatever microbe comes along. And also we are sitting fucks for chronic disease. It is this latter fact that makes vaccines so dangerous.
Get vaccinated - lose thymus function - and sooner or later you WILL get cancer (or some other chronic disease).
Every vaccine puts a nail into that coffin for you.

Recovering thymus function works with the ICT matched remedy by the way.
That is, UNLESS there is a strong maintaining cause that cannot be removed.
Ironically, this is my prolem, so developing the ICT system is not saving my own self:-)
I have maintianing cause of cortisol producing tumors...
Nothing damages the thymus so thoroughly as corticosteroids or chemotherapy drugs. Next in line are vaccines and especially vaccine adjuvants, and many drugs such as methimazole and other thyroid ones for example.
It looks like this (much magnified):

compared with Influenza virus:
and HIV virus:
Every illness will be misdiagnosed to some extent by some medics.
In the case of polio, it has to be differentiated from other viruses in the same enterovirus family, which cause diseases with very similar symptoms and which are not extinct, as is polio (except for lab strais of polio spread around via vaccines - which can be identified by RNA tests as they are recombinant viruses... bits of viruses combined).
None:-)

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."