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Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:20 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
There are no test to my knowledge to check all of them, therefore ALL cereals are to be totally and completely banned. Period.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:25 am
by Rochelle
To my knowledge all those that go gluten free don’t do any cereals except maize and rice.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 07 November 2015 23:21
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Coeliacs disease
There are no test to my knowledge to check all of them, therefore ALL cereals are to be totally and completely banned. Period.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:27 am
by Rochelle
What about Quinoa?
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 07 November 2015 23:21
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Coeliacs disease
There are no test to my knowledge to check all of them, therefore ALL cereals are to be totally and completely banned. Period.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:05 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Zein and oryzein, their respective proteins can cross react. Not frequent but enough to create problems.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:06 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Can be used but should be soaked beforehand. One of my patients did react but with soaking could use it.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:07 am
by Rochelle
OK so a trial without corn and rice is on the cards when she comes.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 November 2015 00:05
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Coeliacs disease
Zein and oryzein, their respective proteins can cross react. Not frequent but enough to create problems.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:09 am
by Rochelle
OK thanks for that. I just boil the stuff straight out of the packet!!
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 November 2015 00:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Coeliacs disease
Can be used but should be soaked beforehand. One of my patients did react but with soaking could use it.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:42 am
by Elham Mohajer
You can use bread agg

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:42 pm
by Irene de Villiers
The symptoms are the same ehatever the cause for the gouten intolerance.
The physiology involves damage to the tips of the intestinal villi. If these are reduced in height due to damage at the tips, then gluten can not be digested as it is digested at the tips. There can be many causes for this inability to digest gluten due to damage of the villi, celiac/coeliac being one of them. High coritsol for extended periods also does it, due to the catabolic nature of this stress hormone, and villi tips are the first to go.
One very nasty problem is that every exposure to gluten, once the villi damage is done, actually does more damage making the condition progressively worse.
In homeopathy, the resulting symptoms should be helped whatever the cause...but like you I prefer to know the cause as it is most likey to point to other issues that are related, and which may be different for different causes, resulting in the need for a different remedy.

I have found this issue especially difficult to work with in the repertory - and also in practice - short of restricting the diet drasticslly.
It also helps to be sure your patient is aware of all the places to watch out for gluten as it takes so very little to trigger a very damaging and painful response, whether the villi damage is caused by celiacs, allergy, or stress damage.

For example:
* Glue on envelopes and stamps is gluten
* Wine is usually "fined" with gluten - and wooden wine barrels are usually sealed with gluten - you need to write to a vineyard to know which is gluten free wine. (eg. Australian YellowTail red wines are all gluten free and some whites, but not eg the chardonnay and some other whites).
* "Hydrolysed protein" in shampoos, soaps, hair conditioners, makeup, hand creams, etc, is hydrolysed gluten.
* Deep fried potato chips/crisps and other items, may be fried in the same oil as breaded chicken or whatever.
* Any "natural flavor" in food ingredient lists, may be gluten.

Most celiacs have learned these and other sources the hard way, but missing even one, is all it takes to make matters progressively worse from repeated inadvertent exposure.

As damage progresses, and the villi are worn down physically more and more, other things besides gluten become indigestile and set off reactions.

I think you are smart to address this as part of the issue, whatever the issue:-) It has a body-wide effect on the system.
As with many words, Americans have a different spelling - celiacs - search under both. I often trip up with US spelling. Radar has rubrics containing celiac and rubrics containing coeliac :-)
But look also for rubrics to do with symptoms, "after eating", in the food disagrees section, and inflammation of the small intestine.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Coeliacs disease

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:08 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Quinoa has a lot of saponins that wash off. Saponins will almost always adversely affect celiac folks.
This is also why oats is no good for many - it is very high in saponins.
Other high saponin foods include tomatoes and seeds like pumpkin seeds.
Buckwheat is neither wheat nor a grain but it also has a lot of saponins. Likewise millet which has proteases and saponins - and its goitrogens are an issue if it is eaten often.
(Saponins plus protease = leaky gut. Celiacs have enough problems without adding that one.)

A better gluten free option is teff, which is a very small seed, no gluten, from a cereal grown in Africa but now also available much more widely.
Arrowroot is an option for thickening gravies, but another option is jsyt to add some cream cheese or beaten egg instead.
For commercially available foods sorghum and rice seem most used - rice crackers can be useful when something like that is needed - and celiacs will know whether they can tolerate those as occasional snacks.

There are better foods than cereals for celiacs, but there are times one wants a little something absorbent, and it helps to know what works and what does not. I am convinced it is tricky as well as individual to be sure about any cereal.
Rochelle - that chronic fatigue is likely due to leaky gut from saponins - and not getting enough nutrients. Celiacs will have no resistance to saponin leaks.
Also the gut bacteria are supposed to make B vitamins (something most folks get from cereal) needed for energy, and those will not work properly without a suitable substrate (plain cooked pumpkin is an option about a coupe tahblespoons a day) and better gut environment in general.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."