Minutus

Irene and Maria: My two do not get carbs (veggies or kibble). They eat raw meat, bones and organs only, so I know about the power of "ripping and tearing" the meat off the bone. This year I've been struggling with $$, so they have not been getting the variety of meat and bones that they got since they started raw.

I'm getting meat soon from a local farmer, and I'm getting all bones, organs, ears, tail and more! So a > variety of bones will be back in their diet next week. Thanks for that Maria. It awakened my perspective and I know it will help. Meanwhile, I'll just have to keep up the cleaning and scaling. If $ arrives I'l get it done w/o anesthesia, but I'm not counting on a big DROP of cash showing up!

They have been getting a lot of non-GMO chicken and eating the bones becasue I could afford it... but they never get ground, and they don't eat veggies or kibble EVER! So you're right about the bones.... but the chicken bones haven't been helpful. It's not the chewing from what I understand. It's just ripping it off the bone and the jaw action... moving the head around. Some raw feeders say the meat they're working on s/b bigger than their heads to get the full benefit of the dentals from the meat.

Anyway, I will continue using the fragaria vesca on my teeth after I have another discussion about it w/my homeopath to make sure it's not interfering w/my healing!

Thanks all... you guys are wonderful!
Vicki

Just in case I was unclear - I favor appropriate diet always, and think that under conditions of systemic health the normal diet would keep teeth healthy. I surely could not condone or understand brushing the teeth with fruit, in any case:) - worst possible thing for dental health in a carnivore. I'd like it best if Vicki quit with the Fragaria for Walter and Katie, and relied upon systemic resolution instead of localized band-aid solutions that are inappropriate by definition. I know that in my own case, as well as that of the dogs closest to me, dental problems have resolved along with all else when treating the entire case. This is the most authentic solution, I feel.

I am not going to second-guess your h'pth, but I don't like this diversion. If your body becomes systemically healthy, your gut will work correctly, and your oral health will come right along. And it's no different for the pups.

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm

You mean if I were to use the fragaria in tea form? I was asking my homeopath a question about potentization. His response was was to explain to me the x potency vs the c potency! He said "...fruit water" but he was not recommending fruit water or even telling me to use the fragaria or any remedy on the dogs.

So then Ginny, both you and Maria suggest that I find a pet homeopath to take the case again, right? You're saying that the health of the gums and teeth would be part of the new case, where it was not before? I just checked Dr. Dodds' book on hypothyroidism. She says to include a teeth and gum check weekly and to brush w/dog toothpaste from vet or pet store...and to check for gums that are inflamed, red or bleeding. He's tricolor PBGV. I sent a message w/pic of his gums to ask a good PBGV Breeder to ask about the black skin of the gums... she said that is the norm for PBs, and for tri-colored... so I think all of that is okay.

So... let me ask one more question Ginny... do you recommend that I start w/the T5 test first to make sure his thyroid is ok... and then save up the cash for the non-anesthetic cleaning and Maria..... more big bones for ripping and tearing?
Ok. I officially QUIT Ginny!! Now what? T5 testing or teeth cleaning for Walter, Fseries sulphur (I'm sure of the remedy) and teeth cleaning for Kate and more BONES for both? I think I have to do all of that. But seriously, I am still looking for a REAL homeopath who works with dogs and people... a good one Ginny, not like the friend we shared in common. I know you told me you thought the vet in Austin would be great. I agree, but I can't afford him unless I could get him to give me a poor people's discount and work via Skype.

Anyone with dogs .... please help me find someone AND someone willing to learn Fseries... no dry doses of anything here.


Thanks for the help ladies. I apologize if I've disturbed things here... for love of my pups!

Vicki

I don’t have personal experience but you can check here:
http://www.holisticcareforanimals.com/index.html
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Just in case I was unclear - I favor appropriate diet always, and think that under conditions of systemic health the normal diet would keep teeth healthy. I surely could not condone or understand brushing the teeth with fruit, in any case:) - worst possible thing for dental health in a carnivore.
You mean if I were to use the fragaria in tea form? I was asking my homeopath a question about potentization. His response was was to explain to me the x potency vs the c potency! He said "...fruit water" but he was not recommending fruit water or even telling me to use the fragaria or any remedy on the dogs.
So then Ginny, both you and Maria suggest that I find a pet homeopath to take the case again, right? You're saying that the health of the gums and teeth would be part of the new case, where it was not before? I just checked Dr. Dodds' book on hypothyroidism. She says to include a teeth and gum check weekly and to brush w/dog toothpaste from vet or pet store...and to check for gums that are inflamed, red or bleeding. He's tricolor PBGV. I sent a message w/pic of his gums to ask a good PBGV Breeder to ask about the black skin of the gums... she said that is the norm for PBs, and for tri-colored... so I think all of that is okay.
So... let me ask one more question Ginny... do you recommend that I start w/the T5 test first to make sure his thyroid is ok... and then save up the cash for the non-anesthetic cleaning and Maria..... more big bones for ripping and tearing?
I'd like it best if Vicki quit with the Fragaria for Walter and Katie, and relied upon systemic resolution instead of localized band-aid solutions that are inappropriate by definition. I know that in my own case, as well as that of the dogs closest to me, dental problems have resolved along with all else when treating the entire case. This is the most authentic solution, I feel.
Ok. I officially QUIT Ginny!! Now what? T5 testing or teeth cleaning for Walter, Fseries sulphur (I'm sure of the remedy) and teeth cleaning for Kate and more BONES for both? I think I have to do all of that. But seriously, I am still looking for a REAL homeopath who works with dogs and people... a good one Ginny, not like the friend we shared in common. I know you told me you thought the vet in Austin would be great. I agree, but I can't afford him unless I could get him to give me a poor people's discount and work via Skype.
Anyone with dogs .... please help me find someone AND someone willing to learn Fseries... no dry doses of anything here.


Thanks for the help ladies. I apologize if I've disturbed things here... for love of my pups!
Vicki

OMG... Sherill, where did you find this person? It's a few miles from my house.... and I would have never known about this person if all of this STUFF hadn't come up here on minitus!

I will definitely do the follow up. This feels like a good one from reading the sight a bit.

Thanks so much,

Vicki, the woman who was (past tense) convinced that their wasn't a lay homeopath in the country who might work for my dogs! Power to the universe.

Herbs are not suppressive if you use them properly, in the way traditional herbalists used to do it, not the more "modern" version using phytopharmacology and "green allopathy"....although pharmacology goes a long way to explain the mechanism of action of a traditionally prescribed herb.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Yes, briefly, I would recommend you follow up on his thyroid levels. This is customary whenever prescribing supplementation. He should be somewhat stable on any level - i.e., if he needs a change as indicated by the test - before starting a new course of homeopathic treatment, since thyroid levels have such a far-reaching metabolic effect.

And yes, I think it's best to strike up a new relationship with someone about whom you feel comfortable. I read the site provided, and see nothing yet that sticks out as poor. You should know enough by now to recognize the red flags of poor prescribing and management. When you are ready, go interview her.

Bear in mind that relatively few homeopaths are facile with Fibonacci as yet, and many simply do not want to distract from their protocols at this time. My own feeling is that the Fs may work very well, but that choosing the right remedy is the main point, and - Irene may disagree here - in most cases much can be accomplished with 6th Organon practice. I would look to Fibonacci if a case seemed intransigent, but you may have trouble finding a worthy accomplice in this. And you very definitely should NOT go this alone, choosing remedies on the basis of what has been told you in the past.

Good luck with all this.

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm

Except strawberries are not suitable for carnivores due to saponins and pother toxins for them.
Feeding a proper carnivore diet - no carbs - bu plenty of protein and good fat, will lead to heathy gums and teeth.
..Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I feel the same as GInny here.

Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Are you an owner of a Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen? I have the breed and treat them with homeopathy. You may contact me off line please. No charge for PBGV owners.

Dr, Carol Stuart