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Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:15 am
by Roger B
Dear Ya'all,

I "resent" having to pay for the health insurance of people who criticize my wife to her face about eating salads, and then they waddle out of the lunch room. As long as we have socialized medicine, there will be people who resent having to pay for homeopathy, which they are absolutely, positively convinced is unreal. For all of you readers who generally advocate for socialized medicine, this BIG threat to homeopathy is your chickens that have come home to roost.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:13:29 -0400
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The Big Picture

are you sure the public would revolt in Germany? Not too long ago people there went along with Hitler.
it can happen anywhere..............none of us are safe
Sheri

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:16 am
by Roger B
Next to zero Japanese-American citizens lost their lives in the so-called concentration camps in the USA. Perhaps some died of old age. All were fed properly. It was not a good thing, and when they got out of the camps, most if not all had had their property stolen. I do not know how many got their property returned thanks to the courts. Hopefully all, probably some. I do know that thanks to guilt, the U.S. Congress has paid them reparations at least more than once.

Six million Jews, one million gypsies, hundreds of thousands of gays, retarded people, elderly, socialists, communists, and etc. were deliberately murdered in and out of Nazi Germany for a grand estimated total of 9 million innocent people, all non-combatants.

I know that progressives like to think that all countries, or in this case all regimes, are morally equal, but perhaps even a progressive can see facts outside of their progressive paradigm-box now and then.

And it is the progressives love of big government that is causing this problem of our government now being able to dictate whether we all must be vaccinated and whether homeopathy will become illegal. So, I think that it is time for the progressives to think before they talk and consider the possibility that their paradigm as it has been taken too far of late is not such a great way of looking at life.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:35:38 -0500
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The Big Picture
Only 10% of the doctors approved of Hitler's plans/ human experiments. Things happen quickly.

Japanese American citizens were herded into concentration camps in America with a federal order. Things happen quickly.....

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:47 pm
by Irene de Villiers
I agree, and I do not understand it either - but I was born South African not American.
You can't even get people here to ask for GMO foods to be labelled. Travesty is a mild word.
No wonder they invented shoe laces that do not need tieing:-)
As indeed they should.
But here it is as if the lights are off. People pretend to be blind to what is going on. America is anything but a free country, yet so many still prefer to be lazy and pretend to themsleves that all is well.
Very frustrating.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:54 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Which is precicely why they WOULD revolt, they learned a hard lesson.
It can only happen if free speech is removed.

All tyrants require free speech denial first in order to impement their controls.
Americans are so naiive they sit on their hands while that free speech is robbed from under their noses.

....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:19 pm
by Gisela Ahrendt
Yeah as long as the Doctors say its ok - then it will be done - we are like lemmings letting a few lead us to destruction. However in Germany now they are demonstrating against the trade agreement proposed, and they WILL demonstrate against things that the public seems not to be beneficial for the public - the people today are very different then the people at the time of Hitler. Especially because they where raised not to question. Today they question EVERYTHING.I know I am German and was raised there after the war.
Gisela

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:35:38 -0500
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The Big Picture
Only 10% of the doctors approved of Hitler's plans/ human experiments. Things happen quickly.

Japanese American citizens were herded into concentration camps in America with a federal order. Things happen quickly.....
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:13:29 -0400
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The Big Picture

are you sure the public would revolt in Germany? Not too long ago people there went along with Hitler.
it can happen anywhere..............none of us are safe
Sheri

At 01:04 PM 4/13/2015, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:26 pm
by Gisela Ahrendt
Diana
what you are describing is exactly what the big organizations want ( the new world order)- Aldous Huxly described it very well - the broad masses are ONLY CONSUMERS - with out mind - just mindlessly consuming anything they put in front. Yeah, thank god I am old enough to have had at least some freedom of mind and choice - the newer generations are giving up their freedoms with out a fight because they have been numbed into mindlessly consuming.
Gisela

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:45:35 +0000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] The Big Picture
I agree with you all as what is happen and liklely to happen. I also believe I recognize several of the problems in regards to apathy and parazilation in the US in regards to "not acting" when needed, and not knowing how.

I experience several of them, and all are very effective in draining the energy out of people. One or two I will not mention, as most folks are not in an aware enough state to be aware such things are actually happening in America, or would used be against them as a tool to literally keep them in a stuck mind.

Many people here are mind controlled and/or brainwashed, from youth & on and ongoing daily basis. Many are on psychotropic drugs, prescriptions & otherwise that can numb them down & interfere with their thought/reasoning/acting/survival abilities.

Many feel so frightened & overwhelmed they are unable to act in their best interest, and have literally given up...some being aware of it, others, not so much.

Fluoride in the H20, foods, beverages, toothpastes, medications, etc, is taking its toll after many decades of ingestion. It is very effective in destroying the brain & thinking processes & one's internal will to act.

A lifetime of nutrient deficient/processed food/drinks or intentionally polluted foods, etc., weakens people.

Many are already very sick, weak, poor and depleted, and are barely able to function thru each day enough to keep a roof over their heads and foods in their mouths. They are already in survival mode and lack energy for anything but the very barest of essentials. Some are so broken down, inside & out, they've nothing left with which to fight.

Then again, there are many of those with their head in the sands, stuck in cognitive dissonance, are followers and not leaders, many hide/live in their chosen TV/media realities (lies) and feel safer staying so. Ignorance is bliss.

I'm sure there's more to it that these, but thought I'd through out a few ideas.

Diana
They sure do
http://edzardernst.com/2015/04/homeopat ... challenge/
Susan

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:09 pm
by Tanya Marquette
I have not been engaged in this conversation, but it is right up my political alley

If we talk about the Big Picture, it needs to expand beyond homeopathy, altho that is where
most of us here come in. In my studies and experience, no single institution works separately from
all the others. Thus, if we study the political conditions of homeopathy we will understand the Grand
Picture; vice versa, if we study what is happening on the larger scale, we will understand what the
strategies and tactics are with/against homeopathy.

A big part of this understanding has to be how people are manipulated on a mass level. We are given a belief system, a set of mythologies. Part of the mythology is that we are independent. American psyche is built in part on the image of the rugged individual who tackled the wild west all by himself, with no help from anyone. Of course every one of the historic icons always had 'their boy,' often a Native American or African American; ie, a person of color who scouted and healed and was a loyal follower. Racism being what it is, these 'side kicks' never counted as they were people of color.

People like to to see themselves as independent intelligent thinkers and actors. When was the last time you tried to tell a PhD that he/she was a sheep:a follower and a coward. Further, most people have no clue that they are bought off with carrots, particularly in the USA. As long as it was needed, the Middle Class was given lots of perks (education, loans, houses, etc). The pay for such comforts was obedience and submission to the system. If are causcasian, white skin privilege is a big piece of the package. And there is medical insurance, a very big carrot. Couple this with the conditioned believe system that doctors are educated, independent thinkers who have all the knowledge for our health and you have a very large segment of the population that will not question anything. Oh, lip service is given all the time to criticisms of "the system" but watch the behavior. Last week this women with a 13 yr old dog who was very sick took him to a vet. Vet had nothing to say regarding what ailed the pooch. Take an a.b. and return in a month! The dog was not eating for over a week. Suggestions for alternative actions were met with a cool 'thank you,' but no actions were taken. This woman is Canadian and in France right now where homeopathy is still legal, but she refused to take the dog to someone other than an allopathic vet. The chances are the dog had some viral condition and we know a.b.s will not help.

The homeopathy community likes to see itself as nice, polite middle class people. They do their work quietly, behind the scenes of the political fray. They act as if they will be left alone if they are good and don't rock the boat with protest letters or marches in the street. They are frightened of being identified.

The Codex alimentrius is never talked about. This is a major effort to institutionalize, globally, the repression of homeopathy, all holistic healing protocols, even organic foods and herbs. What the FDA is doing, is not just the bidding of the American pharmaceutical corporations, but now that of this internationally signed agreement.

And the people won't even look at this. People tell me that I am nuts to talk about this--The US would never ban herbs and supplements and are free choice for health care--if we can afford it. I have been called treasonous for stating the facts of the Codex or other nefarious steps against our civil liberties. Of course people can look up what I say for themselves, but they won't. These facts are inconvenient truths that would disturb their polite lives. Besides, they don't want to be political (as if they have a choice) as it is nasty business and disturbs their social life.

So like the good Germans who wore blinders and chose not to believe what was happening before their eyes, today we see the same situation in this country and other westerns countries. Corporate propaganda galore and no access to the mainstream media for our point of view makes for a closed information loop.

I don't know what it will take to puncture the Cognitive Dissonance and indolence of people; I have been trying for many decades now to try and influence thinking and behavior of people. It is very slow work and can take years before you begin to see any cracks in the belief system. But that is what needs to be done. We need to learn from the reactionary masters how they frame their arguments--it is a science. While we don't have to lie as they do, we do need to learn the art of mass communication skills. This is sorely lacking in our community

t
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Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:18 pm
by Diane
Agreed, Gisesla!
Diana
what you are describing is exactly what the big organizations want ( the new world order)- Aldous Huxly described it very well - the broad masses are ONLY CONSUMERS - with out mind - just mindlessly consuming anything they put in front. Yeah, thank god I am old enough to have had at least some freedom of mind and choice - the newer generations are giving up their freedoms with out a fight because they have been numbed into mindlessly consuming.
Gisela

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:45:35 +0000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] The Big Picture
I agree with you all as what is happen and liklely to happen. I also believe I recognize several of the problems in regards to apathy and parazilation in the US in regards to "not acting" when needed, and not knowing how.

I experience several of them, and all are very effective in draining the energy out of people. One or two I will not mention, as most folks are not in an aware enough state to be aware such things are actually happening in America, or would used be against them as a tool to literally keep them in a stuck mind.

Many people here are mind controlled and/or brainwashed, from youth & on and ongoing daily basis. Many are on psychotropic drugs, prescriptions & otherwise that can numb them down & interfere with their thought/reasoning/acting/survival abilities.

Many feel so frightened & overwhelmed they are unable to act in their best interest, and have literally given up...some being aware of it, others, not so much.

Fluoride in the H20, foods, beverages, toothpastes, medications, etc, is taking its toll after many decades of ingestion. It is very effective in destroying the brain & thinking processes & one's internal will to act.

A lifetime of nutrient deficient/processed food/drinks or intentionally polluted foods, etc., weakens people.

Many are already very sick, weak, poor and depleted, and are barely able to function thru each day enough to keep a roof over their heads and foods in their mouths. They are already in survival mode and lack energy for anything but the very barest of essentials. Some are so broken down, inside & out, they've nothing left with which to fight.

Then again, there are many of those with their head in the sands, stuck in cognitive dissonance, are followers and not leaders, many hide/live in their chosen TV/media realities (lies) and feel safer staying so. Ignorance is bliss.

I'm sure there's more to it that these, but thought I'd through out a few ideas.

Diana
They sure do
http://edzardernst.com/2015/04/homeopat ... challenge/
Susan

Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:25 pm
by Gisela Ahrendt
Tanja
well said - I have been in the same boat with you . The apathy is mind boggling.
But lets keep fighting - if a few get to be heard and start to make the rest understand how very dangerous political apathy is we will see change.
Gisela
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:09:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] The Big Picture
I have not been engaged in this conversation, but it is right up my political alley

If we talk about the Big Picture, it needs to expand beyond homeopathy, altho that is where
most of us here come in. In my studies and experience, no single institution works separately from
all the others. Thus, if we study the political conditions of homeopathy we will understand the Grand
Picture; vice versa, if we study what is happening on the larger scale, we will understand what the
strategies and tactics are with/against homeopathy.

A big part of this understanding has to be how people are manipulated on a mass level. We are given a belief system, a set of mythologies. Part of the mythology is that we are independent. American psyche is built in part on the image of the rugged individual who tackled the wild west all by himself, with no help from anyone. Of course every one of the historic icons always had 'their boy,' often a Native American or African American; ie, a person of color who scouted and healed and was a loyal follower. Racism being what it is, these 'side kicks' never counted as they were people of color.

People like to to see themselves as independent intelligent thinkers and actors. When was the last time you tried to tell a PhD that he/she was a sheep:a follower and a coward. Further, most people have no clue that they are bought off with carrots, particularly in the USA. As long as it was needed, the Middle Class was given lots of perks (education, loans, houses, etc). The pay for such comforts was obedience and submission to the system. If are causcasian, white skin privilege is a big piece of the package. And there is medical insurance, a very big carrot. Couple this with the conditioned believe system that doctors are educated, independent thinkers who have all the knowledge for our health and you have a very large segment of the population that will not question anything. Oh, lip service is given all the time to criticisms of "the system" but watch the behavior. Last week this women with a 13 yr old dog who was very sick took him to a vet. Vet had nothing to say regarding what ailed the pooch. Take an a.b. and return in a month! The dog was not eating for over a week. Suggestions for alternative actions were met with a cool 'thank you,' but no actions were taken. This woman is Canadian and in France right now where homeopathy is still legal, but she refused to take the dog to someone other than an allopathic vet. The chances are the dog had some viral condition and we know a.b.s will not help.

The homeopathy community likes to see itself as nice, polite middle class people. They do their work quietly, behind the scenes of the political fray. They act as if they will be left alone if they are good and don't rock the boat with protest letters or marches in the street. They are frightened of being identified.

The Codex alimentrius is never talked about. This is a major effort to institutionalize, globally, the repression of homeopathy, all holistic healing protocols, even organic foods and herbs. What the FDA is doing, is not just the bidding of the American pharmaceutical corporations, but now that of this internationally signed agreement.

And the people won't even look at this. People tell me that I am nuts to talk about this--The US would never ban herbs and supplements and are free choice for health care--if we can afford it. I have been called treasonous for stating the facts of the Codex or other nefarious steps against our civil liberties. Of course people can look up what I say for themselves, but they won't. These facts are inconvenient truths that would disturb their polite lives. Besides, they don't want to be political (as if they have a choice) as it is nasty business and disturbs their social life.

So like the good Germans who wore blinders and chose not to believe what was happening before their eyes, today we see the same situation in this country and other westerns countries. Corporate propaganda galore and no access to the mainstream media for our point of view makes for a closed information loop.

I don't know what it will take to puncture the Cognitive Dissonance and indolence of people; I have been trying for many decades now to try and influence thinking and behavior of people. It is very slow work and can take years before you begin to see any cracks in the belief system. But that is what needs to be done. We need to learn from the reactionary masters how they frame their arguments--it is a science. While we don't have to lie as they do, we do need to learn the art of mass communication skills. This is sorely lacking in our community

t
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Re: The Big Picture

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:28 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Thanx Gisela

I in no way am supporting complacency. We must all fight in every way possible.

NYS has an Atty General who was seen as 'liberal' but he is supporting forced vaccinations w/o
choice. It is only 1/2 step to see him supporting legislation or simple rullings that prevent homeopathy and
supplements, etc. Dangerous times we live in.

t
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