killing cancer with viruses

[Irene de Villiers]

Only someone blindly ignorant about virology can make such a flat-earth claim
How do you ever expect anyone to consider homeopathy valid if you make up fiction about very well known facts?
Namaste,
Irene

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[Irene de Villiers]

You mean eyes closed:-)

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[Irene de Villiers]

You also need to study virology and cpome out of the dark ages about it:-)
Viruses are very uch alive, can replicate and most definitely move about.
How else do you thinkt ey choose whether to live i a gut cell or a macrophage:-)
And how do you think they get inside the cell?
By magical methods?
I assure you the methods are very real and well known.

Different viruses use different techniques
Just because you failed to study them, does not mean they are not in existence:-)
Not that you should spread such misinformation.

It always works better to study the subject and use facts .... instead of invented myths.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[comdyne2002]

Alas Irene, we once again but heads in the unscientific area of modern day allopathic medicine. Who can argue that our present medical system is but a colossal failure. For all the monies wasted in worthless research such as in sequencing the genome in only two dimensions; yields results for which have yet to be rationally understood not to mention even useful. Billions after billions disappear down a rat hole while our population patiently awaits any major breakthrough that results in an actual cure for anything. The etiology of cancer has long been known to be deranged mitochondrial metabolism brought on by hypoxia yet our scientists still insist at looking inside the cell for the causative factor of malfunction. Ridiculous IMHO.

You decided to nitpick at my position regarding virions as being lifeless inert protein segments lacking motile apparatus. In fact, I have doubts as to the existence of virions in toto. Isn't interesting that all pictures we find are nothing but artistic renditions from the imaginations of their creators. When we are offered up photomicrographs stated to be same, the images are always blurry and resemble grapes that have been stepped on, the samples having been obliterated by the electron beam of the SEM. No two photographs of the same organism are ever the same after such a violent bombardment. All detail is lost rendering the high resolution worthless. Hummmm......

You state rather emphatically that these entities (virions) are alive, however, according to the professor from Columbia University of the below listed lecture, a so-called expert, along with the majority of experts polled in a survey, are aligned in my thinking that they are, in fact, lifeless. Not everyone polled agreed, of course, once again confirming that modern medicine is anything but scientific. If it were so factual then how come no cures have been forthcoming? Politics aside.

I have no issues with our ongoing disagreements as that is healthy, and those sitting in the armchairs are developing their own opinions which is stimulating and healthy. I would find these discussions more enjoyable if you would refrain from the pompous insults that you hurl at those whose thinking isn't in alignment with your own, however. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

[comdyne2002]

Ooops.... Forgot the link:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Vir ... 06446A964A

[Ginny Wilken]

Definitely the latter:) I like taking the unaccustomed viewpoint, in any case. After all, it has stimulated an interesting discussion. We used to blame "germs", then we blamed viruses, and now there is - to my mind at least - another viewpoint which comes even closer to blaming the terrain for its expression of disease.

The ultimate cause of disease may be as simple as the old teaching that "No man is your friend, no man is your enemy, every man is your teacher...." Or, as dear Hilary says, "At this point, what does it even matter?"

ginny

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[Irene de Villiers]

I found your original email which for some reason I missed when you sent it.
Not exactly.
They do use a virus for infectious disease but not the way it comes., They genetically change it.
So it is essentially a GMO virus, not a natural one.
It has added genes which are intended to reprogram the T cells of the body. This is what causes the tumor attack, the reprogramming,. (It also is a violent treatment, the patient is near death from the effects, including high fever ad coma and it is "90% effective" for example in children with ine specific cancer. They imply - but so not say - that the other 1 in 10 children dies?)

They have to genetically engineer a virus for each type of cancer.
Basically a virus comes with some genes to do certain things. They piggyback on those genes and whether they add genes or also remove genes to make a virus do what they want it to do instead of what it normally does, they are keeping secrret.

Once the body's T cells are changed to attack the tumor, it is not clear what those T cells do after the tumor is gone.
ie The longterm effects. T cells are replaced, so maybe they die out but this is all new research and they are not sharing the gory detals that woudl be interesting - no doubt they will patent their genetically engineered viruses.
The choice of virus to be engieered has nothing to do with the original illness caused by he virus. They are selecting viruses for the specific genes they contain which code for specific activities, such as the mechanism of cell entry.
Yes but they are not being used for anything to do with HIV or a cold. They are just using the genes involved in those viruses due to their cell entry mechanism mainly, and adding more genes to chahge the action of T-cells into which the virus will enter. HIV always attacks T-cells. HIV has one or more genes to direct it to enter T cells. So the choice of HIV virus is specifically becasue they already know how to enter T cells.
The scientists are adding extra genes to go into action inside the T cells to "teach" them to attack cancer cells - they must be displacing the HIV genes that usually cause HIV with the reprogramming.

SO the reprogramming genes - whtever new genes tey manufacture and insert - are the ones that are telling T cells to target tumor cells. The virus is essentially a carrier for the genetic manip[ulatoi to go where they want it.
Much like Monsanto puts genes for insecticide into plants so the insects eating them die (and we are supposed to be unaffected, yeah right.)
No. This is a genetic engineering feat. They have manufactured some genes to force T cells to target cancer cells.
The use of a virus is merely a delivery mechanism and the virus is chose accordig to what kind of delivery genes it has.
For example HIV virus genes send it to T cells.
FIP virus genes send it to macropage cells.
SO they choose a virus that goes to the cells they want to manipulate, and add NEW genes to do stuff there.
It is unrelated.
This is unknown. The GMO T-cell genes will be lost into the environment to do what?
Or spread about in blood transfusions
Or?
Do they ever think ahead?
It is made from lab strains of HIV virus.
What they are missig is that they would be better off to try FIV virus for humans and HIV virus for cats, so as to be similar and not identical - Law of Similars.
Interestingly: Back in 1996 or so, there was an attempt to make a HIV vaccine. They tested it in cats and claimed it helped against FIV in cats. But that it did not help in humans.
(I question how it "helped" in cats, as the immune system cannot kill FIV with antibodies.)
There is zero correlation with homeopathy.
This is purely genetic engineering at work. The natural virus aspect is only being used as a targeted cell entry mechanism to enter a specific type of cell - a door opener - not for the action to take place inside - not for its disease related activity at all.. The disease related activity is from manmade genes.

By the way - homeopathy is gentle. The manmade genes are violent!
To chase cancer by homeopathy - you NEED to use the Fibonacci potencies.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."