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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 04 February 2015 20:24
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Organon allopathy & palliation - was Aphorism 1
If I can interfere here.....using opposites is called "antipathy" as opposed to "Homeopathy" (same).

If I remember well, H created the term "allopathy" as a derision for the practice of what we would call "a mishmash of anything and everything without any common sense".

What needs to be eliminated, for example using a detox, is the product of the disease(s) that now creates a positive pathological feedback loop, an obstacle to cure.

Every tool is useful is you use it properly.....

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

I have it right here in front of me:

It starts with "The old school of medicine (allopathy)...." followed by a list of various "causes" and "treatments" that can be summarized in one word: mishmash...or if you prefer, "anything goes".

In the third paragraph, he writes about opposition (contraria contrariis), which is antipathy and is now included into his definition of allopathy....so my remembrance must be from an earlier text.

Later in the Organon, H uses contraria contrariis when indicated: warm the cold patient, give a rink to the thirsty, create dryness when there is sensitivity to humidity, feed the hungry, a.s.o

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Right....

Now I am still waiting for an answer/explanation about your comment.........see previous emails.....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Hi,

Will Taylor put out a shocking opinion in a recent skin class. Suppression through medication is rare. I could honestly not understand the basis for his argument, but I would not expect an empty argument from him. He and many homeopaths use remedies through drugs. For me, if the patient is used to his drug, I just try to look up the side effects and not include them in the repertorization. I don't get into stopping drugs until the patient is mentally and physically ready. In many cases, stopping a drug would be dangerous.

George Vithoukas has a long list of drug types (Levels of health near the beginning) that he regards as inimical to homeopathic treatment. But, he obviously treats through drugs because he treats seriously ill pxs.

In any case, years of drug use does not suppress symptoms? Do we know from research that they do or don't? I can't think my way through that one. Any ideas from the more biologically informed?

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

Sometimes thinking can be clarified by considering the most exaggerated kinds of cases.

• What happens when somebody takes (either internally or externally; the medicine is absorbed systemically either way) a corticosteroid for years on end in doses sufficient to overcome an eruption?

• What happens when somebody takes large doses of opium or morphine or some other opiate in order to overcome emotional or physical anguish?

• What happens when coal-tar baths or sulphur-based ointments are applied repeatedly to itching eruptions?

• What other extreme cases can we consider?

John

Consider chemotherapy and radiotherapy, same end result a lot faster....at best there is paralysis of the systems, all too often destruction.

Yes, it is possible to work through drugs but only if those drugs still leave some reactivity in the patient.

We see that a lot for example with anxiolytics and anti-depressants: as long as the patient can say "they help me, they are good crutches, but deep down I can feel everything is still there", then the deeper treatment can proceed through the drugs, as indeed it can be dangerous to stop them before having addressed, at least for a great part, the root of the problem.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Dear Paul.,

You are welcome to your opinion.
(I find it rude).

I prefer the words and principles of Hahnemann, seen in the contect of his times, and the application needed of them for 2015,
and do not agree with your interpretation of them.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I agree with what used to be done, just not with your definitions.
Nor do I wish to argue something so irrelevant.
Understandig the concepts is what we need, not argument on who calls it what:-)

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I agree. He makes his definition pretty clear in aph 37:

"So, also under ordinary medical treatment, an old chronic disease remains uncured and unaltered if it is treated according to the common allopathic method, that is to say, with medicines that are incapable of producing in healthy individuals a state of health similar to the disease, even though the treatment should last for years and is not of too violent character.1 This is daily witnessed in practice, it is therefore unnecessary to give any illustrative examples.

1 But if treated with violent allopathic remedies, other diseases will be formed in its place which are more difficult and dangerous to life.

Plus 22-1:

1 The other possible mode of employing medicines for diseases besides these two is the allopathic method, in which medicines are given, whose symptoms have no direct pathological relation to the morbid state, neither similar nor opposite, but quite heterogeneous to the symptoms of the disease,

.....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Irene,
I apologize if you take offence. I don't know where I have been rude. What I have stated is not my opinion. If you read the Organon, everything I state is directly Hahnemann. Show me where my statements are not aligned with hahnemann.
If you are offended that I suggest you read the Organon again, and that this is the case for numerous homeopaths, including Vitoulkas and Margaret Roy, consider yourself in good company. But is exactly because the text is not properly studied, in an unbiased way. So someone starts studying Organon, having a preconceived idea of homeopathy being a vitalist idea, so that they don't fully grasp hahnemann's thoughts. Usually it gets adapted to fit their frame of reference. Vitoulkas did this, Roy copied him, Herscu did it to justify his segments and cycles. I am not doing any personal attack. I am merely stating what is. All of these put forward the notion that the signs and symptoms show the healing mechanism of the intelligent vital force. Stimulate the vital force and you increase the healing. A quantitative kind of approach. The natural extension of this is that aggravations are welcome because they 'bring out the disease ". This is contrary to hahnemann, and in fact he said the vital force lacks intelligence.
Show me where I having mistaken hahnemann.
Regards,
Paul
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