Safe but stupid would sum it up:) The egg is a total package, and the yolk is the best part. As Shannon pointed out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with eating fats of all kinds, including so-called high cholesterol ones. Fat is good food! Cholesterol is formed in the body as a kind of bandaid for damaged blood vessels, and more is formed for this purpose than can ever be provided by diet. The damage is caused by drugs and other inappropriate substances and diet items, and the cholesterol only fills in where lack of various antioxidants, mainly Vit C, allows poor healing of the lesions formed. Not only is cholesterol a good thing in this case, but its presence in high amounts demonstrates the existence of damage and the need for better nutrition. Allopathic medicine, as usual, tries to erase a valuable symptom and call that a cure!
And also as usual, a varied diet of whole natural foods obviates most damage, and eggs are a fine and aboriginal part of that diet.
ginny
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Re: Eggs
Roger
I am no egg eater and am total non vegetarian (except milk) as has been the case of my ancestors for many millennia.
I do interact with many people about foods in general here in India and have some comments to make on your observations.
For the eggs to be natural and wholistic
1. The hen must be belonging to that place historically. i.e it should have nativity.
2. They should never be caged.
3. Allied farming activities like sheep and cow cattle rearing, harvesting, tree growing , water harvesting and storing in small ponds in farms will help enhance the quality of food available to the chicken. Especially the cow dung which helps soil fertility and creates worms and insects.
When these conditions are met , the egg will be the best. In the book "One straw revolution" by Masanobu Fukuoka, he describes these things also along with his natural farming methods. That book is now available for free download.
I am no egg eater and am total non vegetarian (except milk) as has been the case of my ancestors for many millennia.
I do interact with many people about foods in general here in India and have some comments to make on your observations.
For the eggs to be natural and wholistic
1. The hen must be belonging to that place historically. i.e it should have nativity.
2. They should never be caged.
3. Allied farming activities like sheep and cow cattle rearing, harvesting, tree growing , water harvesting and storing in small ponds in farms will help enhance the quality of food available to the chicken. Especially the cow dung which helps soil fertility and creates worms and insects.
When these conditions are met , the egg will be the best. In the book "One straw revolution" by Masanobu Fukuoka, he describes these things also along with his natural farming methods. That book is now available for free download.
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs
Egg whites are excellent protein but whole egg is better.
Avidin in the whites - IF they are RAW - prevents some absorption of biotin at the SAME meal.
In whole eggs, the yolk has plenty of biotin and counters the problem, even for raw eggs.
In cooked eggs there is no issue with nutrients, except the silliness of leaving out the nutrients in yolk:)
A problem with biotin would arise if you ate raw egg white at all or most meals...you'd have thinning hair and other worse deficinecy issues.
In cooked eggs, if all you want is albumin protein you will get it from the whites.
But it makes no sense to omit yolk with its treasure trove of beneficial nutrients - including the kind of beneficial cholesterol needed by the brain, (and which statins destroy), plus biotin and iron etc.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Avidin in the whites - IF they are RAW - prevents some absorption of biotin at the SAME meal.
In whole eggs, the yolk has plenty of biotin and counters the problem, even for raw eggs.
In cooked eggs there is no issue with nutrients, except the silliness of leaving out the nutrients in yolk:)
A problem with biotin would arise if you ate raw egg white at all or most meals...you'd have thinning hair and other worse deficinecy issues.
In cooked eggs, if all you want is albumin protein you will get it from the whites.
But it makes no sense to omit yolk with its treasure trove of beneficial nutrients - including the kind of beneficial cholesterol needed by the brain, (and which statins destroy), plus biotin and iron etc.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs
My email just sent should satisfy your curiosity.
So basically raw whole eggs are great. I also use a lot of them daily, with only beneficial effects. They go into my smoothies.
It is raw whites alone that can be a problm if eaten frequently.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
So basically raw whole eggs are great. I also use a lot of them daily, with only beneficial effects. They go into my smoothies.
It is raw whites alone that can be a problm if eaten frequently.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs
Probably the closest modern egg to that, is the Ostrich egg, which makes a 12 jumbo hen's egg omellette equivalent with one egg.
That is more egg than even I can eat in one sitting however, and it has as trong flavor too
....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
That is more egg than even I can eat in one sitting however, and it has as trong flavor too
....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs
Done frequently, that is not clever.
Tell them if they want to throw half out for no good reason they shoud throw the whites out The yolk has way more nutrietns, COOKED OR RAW. And no ingredinet has any negtive connotation.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Tell them if they want to throw half out for no good reason they shoud throw the whites out The yolk has way more nutrietns, COOKED OR RAW. And no ingredinet has any negtive connotation.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs
But we now know also that cholesterol comes in many forms, some very good, some not so good. We also now know that dietary cholesterol in food is the beneficial kind and only the body can make the nasty stuff from fat that results from carbohydrate intake.
So carbohydrates in the diet are the only potential dietary source of "bad" cholesterol. They cause it indirectly, by getting dumped as metabolically active fat.
Cholesterol in food, as in eggs, HELPS the situation instead.
The devil is in the details - in this case the devil is the carbs eaten in excess of need, which are dumped as cholesterol-making and cortisol-making fat! A vicious circle of the nasty fat dumped centrally.
Cholesterol in food actually comes to the rescue, we NEED it!
..Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
So carbohydrates in the diet are the only potential dietary source of "bad" cholesterol. They cause it indirectly, by getting dumped as metabolically active fat.
Cholesterol in food, as in eggs, HELPS the situation instead.
The devil is in the details - in this case the devil is the carbs eaten in excess of need, which are dumped as cholesterol-making and cortisol-making fat! A vicious circle of the nasty fat dumped centrally.
Cholesterol in food actually comes to the rescue, we NEED it!
..Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: Eggs
Dear Maria,
Thank you for that. Please know that any comment I make is not meant to denigrate the value of your contribution.
Our area is pretty dry. I have not visited my egg-man's chicken farm. Perhaps I should visit him some day. He did say that he had lost a few to foxes, but not many.
My only disagreement with what you have said is about the egg "whites". I have heard that about raw egg "whites", and I used to separate them out religiously and give the "whites" to my dogs, which didn't seem fair or compassionate. And it was a hassle. Then I realized that my ancestors for millions of years have been eating raw egg "whites" and that my body, genes, and gut microbiota are the result of those 230,000 or so generations. This saying that raw eggs whites contain a substance that blocks absorption of something else sounds like reductionist science that looks at just one little thing and ignores the whole person and the whole person's diet and lifestyle. So I am not going to concern myself with it.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:05:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
Hello Roger,
I don't know where you live, but I have been raising poultry for 35 years.
Some areas cannot do real 'free range' poultry. I live near some waterways (not on my property) but close enough that we have fox, racoons, possums, occasionally skunk, and Hawks ( Cooper and Red Tailed), so we are fenced, they all have lots of room outside, but also netted. Depending on the hens, if we have a mixed variety ( I like standard breeds of Rhode Island Reds, Barred Rocks, and Heritage Leghorns) the eggs can come in from dark brown to white. If I have a whole pen of the same kind of chickens, young ones, when they start laying all of the eggs will be exactly the same color and texture, older chickens will have different colored eggs depending on the age and the number of eggs they have laid this cycle.
Washed eggs cause the protective coating the chicken produces to be washed off. If the egg is dirty it MUST be washed, free range, even the kind of free range I have inside my chicken pens will make dirty eggs in wet weather, the dampness compromises the normal egg coating, and allows the bacteria to get inside the egg, and yes, the egg will go bad where the dirt is.
We do not wash eggs if we do not have to, but as I said on rainy days we usually don not have much choice.
Almost all commercial enterprises, non organic, routinely wash eggs, these eggs are most certainly subject to bacterial invasions.
And finally, egg whites are not good for you raw. They do interfere with the absorption of one of the nutrients in our body. Can't recall which one, maybe Irene remembers.
With urban living, we cannot always control what is wandering arouind out there after our birds, we lost almost 4 dozen birds this year to a very wiley fox.
Warmly, Maria
Thank you for that. Please know that any comment I make is not meant to denigrate the value of your contribution.
Our area is pretty dry. I have not visited my egg-man's chicken farm. Perhaps I should visit him some day. He did say that he had lost a few to foxes, but not many.
My only disagreement with what you have said is about the egg "whites". I have heard that about raw egg "whites", and I used to separate them out religiously and give the "whites" to my dogs, which didn't seem fair or compassionate. And it was a hassle. Then I realized that my ancestors for millions of years have been eating raw egg "whites" and that my body, genes, and gut microbiota are the result of those 230,000 or so generations. This saying that raw eggs whites contain a substance that blocks absorption of something else sounds like reductionist science that looks at just one little thing and ignores the whole person and the whole person's diet and lifestyle. So I am not going to concern myself with it.
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:05:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
Hello Roger,
I don't know where you live, but I have been raising poultry for 35 years.
Some areas cannot do real 'free range' poultry. I live near some waterways (not on my property) but close enough that we have fox, racoons, possums, occasionally skunk, and Hawks ( Cooper and Red Tailed), so we are fenced, they all have lots of room outside, but also netted. Depending on the hens, if we have a mixed variety ( I like standard breeds of Rhode Island Reds, Barred Rocks, and Heritage Leghorns) the eggs can come in from dark brown to white. If I have a whole pen of the same kind of chickens, young ones, when they start laying all of the eggs will be exactly the same color and texture, older chickens will have different colored eggs depending on the age and the number of eggs they have laid this cycle.
Washed eggs cause the protective coating the chicken produces to be washed off. If the egg is dirty it MUST be washed, free range, even the kind of free range I have inside my chicken pens will make dirty eggs in wet weather, the dampness compromises the normal egg coating, and allows the bacteria to get inside the egg, and yes, the egg will go bad where the dirt is.
We do not wash eggs if we do not have to, but as I said on rainy days we usually don not have much choice.
Almost all commercial enterprises, non organic, routinely wash eggs, these eggs are most certainly subject to bacterial invasions.
And finally, egg whites are not good for you raw. They do interfere with the absorption of one of the nutrients in our body. Can't recall which one, maybe Irene remembers.
With urban living, we cannot always control what is wandering arouind out there after our birds, we lost almost 4 dozen birds this year to a very wiley fox.
Warmly, Maria
Re: Eggs
Dear Shannon, et. al.,
"(I love egg-and-fruit-and-veggie smoothies.)
My smoothie is:
homemade kefir
two raw eggs (up from 1 raw egg)
home juiced ginger juice (not too much)
seaweed
strawberries
gelatin
stevia for sweetness
chia seeds
cod liver oil
melted butter
turmeric powder
the kitchen sink, as long as it is health building (:->)
Eat cold
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:19:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
Hi Maria,
I think you are thinking of a substance in egg whites which is called avidin, and which -- I read -- interferes somehow with (the B vitamin) biotin. I *thiink* maybe I read that this only happens in some people, or maybe it's only an issue with some people. But in any case, my personal experience -- for most people it is not a big deal. One or two raw eggs (either per day or occasionally) is sort of a folk remedy for general strength and wellbeing, and recovery from illness.
But I only found this out after my own rather lifesaving discovery that for me, at that time (about 40 years back), the difference between being able to eat or being unable to eat, turned on six raw eggs per day. When I ate those (smoothies mostly), then the rest of my diet could be normal (and it was a pretty good normal); but without them I couldn't digest anything.
After a year, following taste and feel, I started to taper back, and have since then averaged about two per day -- sometimes none for a while, and sometimes more, if especially stressed or just particularly wanting them. (I love egg-and-fruit-and-veggie smoothies.)
My two kids were also were raised on long periods of two-per-day raw egg smoothies, no sign of anything but benefit to any of us.
Oh, and my now-19-year-old son is an avid bodybuilder, and a couple of years ago decided to add (gag) a *dozen* raw eggs per day to his routine. His regimen is variable, but he has done the dozen-a-day thing for sometimes months at a time, with again, no sign of anything but benefit.
I do wish I understood better the issue about avidin and biotin! Interested in more information if anyone has it.
Best,
Shannon
"(I love egg-and-fruit-and-veggie smoothies.)
My smoothie is:
homemade kefir
two raw eggs (up from 1 raw egg)
home juiced ginger juice (not too much)
seaweed
strawberries
gelatin
stevia for sweetness
chia seeds
cod liver oil
melted butter
turmeric powder
the kitchen sink, as long as it is health building (:->)
Eat cold
Roger
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:19:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
Hi Maria,
I think you are thinking of a substance in egg whites which is called avidin, and which -- I read -- interferes somehow with (the B vitamin) biotin. I *thiink* maybe I read that this only happens in some people, or maybe it's only an issue with some people. But in any case, my personal experience -- for most people it is not a big deal. One or two raw eggs (either per day or occasionally) is sort of a folk remedy for general strength and wellbeing, and recovery from illness.
But I only found this out after my own rather lifesaving discovery that for me, at that time (about 40 years back), the difference between being able to eat or being unable to eat, turned on six raw eggs per day. When I ate those (smoothies mostly), then the rest of my diet could be normal (and it was a pretty good normal); but without them I couldn't digest anything.
After a year, following taste and feel, I started to taper back, and have since then averaged about two per day -- sometimes none for a while, and sometimes more, if especially stressed or just particularly wanting them. (I love egg-and-fruit-and-veggie smoothies.)
My two kids were also were raised on long periods of two-per-day raw egg smoothies, no sign of anything but benefit to any of us.
Oh, and my now-19-year-old son is an avid bodybuilder, and a couple of years ago decided to add (gag) a *dozen* raw eggs per day to his routine. His regimen is variable, but he has done the dozen-a-day thing for sometimes months at a time, with again, no sign of anything but benefit.
I do wish I understood better the issue about avidin and biotin! Interested in more information if anyone has it.
Best,
Shannon
Re: Eggs
As long as Oog didn't get caught.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:39:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
I imagine dinosaur eggs were lovely, too.
ginny
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Ginny Wilken
gwilken@fastmail.fm
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:39:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs
I imagine dinosaur eggs were lovely, too.
ginny
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Ginny Wilken
gwilken@fastmail.fm