5-HTP and low carb diets

[Irene de Villiers]

A really high quality grain would be teff.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

Please, Irene, don't stop. You're on a roll and I am listening.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:44:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] 5-HTP and low carb diets
Dear Ginny.

You did not explain what YOU mean by a "diabetes diet", so as to compare it witih anything else.

In any sensible diabetes diet, there will be very low carbs, as carbs are, quite simply, toxic to diabetics.
It would be very unwise to do anything that the American Diabetes Association suggests for example, especially with regard to so-called slow digesting carbs.
Carbs are toxic to diabetics period. Slow-digestion does not make them less so.
Not necessarily.
It is triggered by the presence of high glucose and insulin resistance combined, in the bloodstream, but dietary indiscretion is by no means the only way to arrive at that state of being. Several illnesses, such as those involving various hormone imbalances or metabolic imbalances, also trigger type 2 diabetes.
It is too easy for naturally skinny folks to assume everyone with diabetes, ate their way there via the donut counter, but it's simply not true.
So it is not correct to mis-characterize T2-diabetes as as self-inflicted eating issue as you seem to be doing.
Why do you suggest low-sugar carbs to be relevant?
Starch is the dangerous stuff, more so than natureal sweetness from fruits and vegetables.
grains for example.
Well....did population increase due to grain agriculture or did grain agriculture increase to meet population increase?
It was not corn, but popcorn, one of the few grains not yet GMO'd at all, so I see no harm.
Really?
Why?
It is a whole grain, low in fat and calories, and 100g (about ten cups popped, so divide by ten per cup) contains:
13g protein
14.5g fiber
387 cals
78 carbs
144mg Magnesium
329 mg Potassium
only 8 mg sodium
3 mg Zinc
2.3 mg Niacin
small amounts of thiamin. riboflavin and B6
10 IU Vit QA
31 Mcg Folate
1.2 mcg Vit K
3g of mono and poly unsaturated fats

It's no superfood but it looks like a reasonable snack, with nothing harmful, that can be eaten any time.
Why?

If a diabetic wants to eat something at bedtime, a scrambled egg IMO is far superior, with a grating of sharp cheddar.
It provides sustained blood glucose due to protein density and fat, and will avert the "dawn phenomenon" when the liver kicks in to make more glucose after 8 hrs of non-eating.

If carbs are desired, the best time for a diabetic to eat them is right before exercise, not right before sleep. The gluciose from them is then burned off before the insulin converts it to fat.

Namaste,
Irene

[Roger B]

5-HTP is probably something that I should not take regularly.

Roger Bird

[Ellen Madono]

I have been reading a book called Eat Fat Lose Fat by Mary Enig and Sally Fallon. Weight is not an issue for me, but it seems to have helped with constipation and dry skin. I am taking a teaspoon of Coconut oil every morning. These days I don't seem to need it. Also, my skin is softer (still wrinkled). The idea is the good fats replace the bad ones and you actually lose weight. I really doubt that I will lose weight because I am at a pretty good weight now. But I don't seem to be gaining. Desire to snack has gone way down.

Confusing the picture though, I took a bowel nosode. In any case, I am no longer constipated.

If your butter is from grass fed cows, that's going to help you, but otherwise not so good.

Lots of research went into writing the book.

Ellen Madono

[Ginny Wilken]

I do also appreciate the detailed info, Irene. My favorite late evening meal is 4-5 scrambled eggs with cheese, so we're in agreement there. And I don't like corn because it is so modified from its original form as a grass, and, more recently, developed to raise its sugar content way beyond anything nature would put in a grass seed. We agree about starches, and I feel that just because not everyone is untroubled by eating sugars doesn't mean they are either healthy or prototypical for us.

And about quinoa: it might be more accurate to say that it not a GRASS, although it is a seed, with the corollary that grains are the seeds of grasses. The work of agriculture re grains was to develop the seeds to a ridiculous extent, where the plants cannot carry out their own propagation, in some cases. The rest of the plant, as in preagricultural ages, is better left to herbivores, especially ruminants, designed to eke out the scanty nutrition available in stems and leaves.

I am a follower of the "thrifty nutrition" line of thought, where the concentrated nutrients in the bodies of animals allow us to spend less energy digesting, and less time eating - and, I suppose, more time hunting - but, well, you have to do something with your time. When we progressed to having others hunt for us, or butcher our domesticated animals, we had time for intellectual pursuits, along with making wars on neighbors. So I eat meat, primarily, and fish, eggs, raw dairy - an agricultural product, but one I don't find unfitting - and a few fruits, no grains, no legumes, no Solanaceae, and some leaves, with the odd yam or root thrown in.

As to what came first, the planting or the camping, they must have enabled each other, with settlements growing as food became available. But I do see this as a major source of human strife, as I believe it runs against our nature to live in large groups, and that it makes us ill in many ways to attempt it - vide chronic disease, epidemics, stress, suppression, etc.

Always interesting, Irene,

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm
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[Roger B]

"I believe it runs against our nature to live in large groups" Just like sex, it forces us to grow spiritual because it put us in the position of having to deal with other egos. And is not the Way to treat others with loving kindness?

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:05:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] 5-HTP and low carb diets
I do also appreciate the detailed info, Irene. My favorite late evening meal is 4-5 scrambled eggs with cheese, so we're in agreement there. And I don't like corn because it is so modified from its original form as a grass, and, more recently, developed to raise its sugar content way beyond anything nature would put in a grass seed. We agree about starches, and I feel that just because not everyone is untroubled by eating sugars doesn't mean they are either healthy or prototypical for us.

And about quinoa: it might be more accurate to say that it not a GRASS, although it is a seed, with the corollary that grains are the seeds of grasses. The work of agriculture re grains was to develop the seeds to a ridiculous extent, where the plants cannot carry out their own propagation, in some cases. The rest of the plant, as in preagricultural ages, is better left to herbivores, especially ruminants, designed to eke out the scanty nutrition available in stems and leaves.

I am a follower of the "thrifty nutrition" line of thought, where the concentrated nutrients in the bodies of animals allow us to spend less energy digesting, and less time eating - and, I suppose, more time hunting - but, well, you have to do something with your time. When we progressed to having others hunt for us, or butcher our domesticated animals, we had time for intellectual pursuits, along with making wars on neighbors. So I eat meat, primarily, and fish, eggs, raw dairy - an agricultural product, but one I don't find unfitting - and a few fruits, no grains, no legumes, no Solanaceae, and some leaves, with the odd yam or root thrown in.

As to what came first, the planting or the camping, they must have enabled each other, with settlements growing as food became available. But I do see this as a major source of human strife, as I believe it runs against our nature to live in large groups, and that it makes us ill in many ways to attempt it - vide chronic disease, epidemics, stress, suppression, etc.

Always interesting, Irene,

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm

[Bob Needham]

Teff - A great little nutritious treat. I would like to hear the groups thoughts on something I was told many years ago. That was, the small seed like foods have a high propensity to lodge in the intestines, thus contributing to diverticulitis. Possible I guess, but how probable?

bob

[Tanya Marquette]

Given the use of teff for 100's? of years by people
in Ethiopia and other cultures, I cannot imagine they
ate it with such dire consequences.

I would question the western styles of cooking and eating
food. Times that I have eaten teff in Ethiopian restaurants,
the teff bread was very soft and there were no hard seeds to
get caught.

For that matter if such tiny seeds were potentially harmful
we would have to question others like chia seed which has many
healthful benefits.

And think of all those poppy seed covered bagels that people
devour. Those tiny seeds are not soft on that bread.

t

[Bob Needham]

You are mirroring my thoughts on this subject too'

thks tanya

[Maria Bohle]

Hi Bob, some people by necessity must live on a low fiber diet. One of those conditions may be diverticulitis where the seeds can get caught in the intestinal pockets irritating the area. For most of us, more fiber, if increased in a sensible manner is probably good for bowel health.
One size does not always fit all.
Warmly, Maria

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