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I don’t think compassion and being an unprejudiced observer are contradictory.
Compassion does not have to sink into a state of active sympathy which would affect our observations and
responses. And sometimes how a person affects us is part of what we should be observing in the person.
I also have seen the effects of people working so hard on not being compassionate that they react in a
hard balled manner and miss a lot of the case.
Self-awareness is critical in case taking.
t
From: pb000014
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:20 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Compassion

Of course we could also just be the unprejudiced observer. Compassion needs to be put aside IN THE CONSULTATION. It comes from our sensitivity and could affect how we think we would be affected in the situation or how we see the situation.
Regards,
Paul
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Paul, I understand what you're saying, and I agree with what you mean to say, but I still have to at least remind myself that homoeopathy in essence, when properly done, is the practice of compassion. If we want to make money, allopathy is much better.
Buying a drunk a drink is not compassion.
Benneth
In a message dated 12/28/2013 12:20:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pb000014@mweb.co.za writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

I agree with your view below
( also thanks for your sympathetic email )

Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

John,
I'm puzzled how you can come up with a diagnosis of "amnesic aphasia" from the little information Ellen posted. It seems possible to me that the woman, being Japanese, deliberately withheld her name out of fear of repercussions against her family, shame being primary.
The same for your suggestion of Kali bromatum as the remedy needed. No question that it's plausible, but until we know a lot more about the case, there are a lot of remedies that could be considered plausible.
Peace,
Dale

You did good Ellen. It is important to be compassionate and think of the human condition
and the consequences of choices we make.
t
From: Ellen Madono
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 8:59 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Compassion

Gratitude to all,
The names of all the kind and generous homeopaths on this list flow through my mind like a river. Although I have never met any of you in person, I feel like I know you much better than my neighbors. I am thankful for the kindness that you express in your participation in Minutus. Yesterday the kind voices on this list helped be to be a better homeopath.
Yesterday at 5 am a client emailed me from jail. She had been trying to reach me since 1 am. She had attempted to jump in front of a train and was caught. She did not want to me leak her identity to the police. I talked on the telephone to a policeman and told him that I could not supply them with information about her. I had taken her case so I could say nothing. They asked me to talk to her and persuade her to tell them her name. She felt ashamed of her attempted suicide, so she would not tell her name.
So as requested by the police, I was going to email her. I was asked to convice her to give them her name. My first impluse was to write a rant about the huge fine that her family would have to pay had she succeeded. Train suicides regularily stop large portions of the rail system in any large Japanese city. So the fine is hefty and the surviving family has to pay. I got stuck thinking, is she liable for attempted suicide?
The rational rant to persuade her did not sound right. My real goal was to get into a position where I could give her a remedy and stop the suicidal impulses. Trust was the issue.
I stopped typing and talked in my mind with one of our Minutus members. Instead of the initial rant, through out the day I sent her emails and left phone calls telling her that I was so happy that she was alive. Actually I hardly know her. But, I wrote and talked as if she were my sister.
I come from a family where if you disagree with someone, they cannot be your friend. You withdraw and say nothing, but you put a black x in front of their name. Rationality rules where I come from. Of course, there are plenty of emotional explosions, so rationality does not rule. I see this behavior on Minutus too, but what I take into my heart is the compassion that I feel in most of our communication.
Those kind voices helped me yesterday and I thank-you for helping me to overcome my upbringing.
That night she called. She said she had not cried throughout the entire ordeal but she was crying as she talked to me. She was so happy that I had protected her privacy. Beating, being stripped naked to prevent suicide possibilities ect., added up to a true ordeal. If I had not been listening to my fellow homeopath's voices, I might have sent the original rational email and I would have never have received this call. I went to bed feeling very happy.
May Peace and Love Rule,
Ellen Madono

Good question, Paul. I try to be more careful than you have inferred me to be in naming a "remedy." It should be well understood by any homoeopath reading what I write that the two symptoms Ellen listed may not be enough to know whether or not Kali bro is the remedy, but stands as amazingly well indicated nevertheless.
Within the pathology of Kali bro is the unique desire to throw oneself in front of a moving vehicle . . it is the ONLY remedy I know of that has that parculiar indication . . and it is one of four remedies for amnesic aphasia, the inability to remember names, sometimes including one's own name. (There's my mistake, giving credibility to an assumed cause, just as we all have done, and I did it with a fancy name)
So given only that to go on, what else could it be?
Now a physical typologist homeopath like Irene might come up with a completely different remedy, and allow me to say that Irene is so good at it that, from what I've seen, it's creepy . . like she was spying on me, or psychic, or something. But I'm as easily dehypnotized as I am hypnotized, and after I've shook off all these other indicators, I say deal with what's in front of you, those are two very unusual symptoms, just the kind of thing that a good homoeopath is on the lookout for. You say you tried to throw yourself in front of a bus and then wouldn't (or couldn't) i.e. DIDN'T tell the police your name, and I say . . that's Kali bro!
Is it the right remedy? I don't know, and unless Ellen loosens up a little and shares the results, we'll never know, and probably won't since Ellen is put off by my sharp tongue . . even if it was the right remedy I'd expect her not to tell, just to make me cry like a baby . . right Ellen?
But nevertheless, I think it is amazing that the reference work of homoeopathy can furnish such specific information and we're not making more use of it in psychiatry and the branches of medicine that should follow psychiatry, being that the dynamic psychiatry of homoeopathy should be the primordial treatment of all chronic and some acute disease, i.e. modern psychiatry should be making almost sole use of homoeopathy, the training and cost for which should be paid for by the state..
But that won't happen, at least not here in the Weird World of Pax Americana. Right now its let's kill Caesar and start murdering each other!
Thankyouverymuch,
Benneth
In a message dated 12/28/2013 2:33:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dale.moss@verizon.net writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

It was Dale, not me.
regards,
Paul
From: jrbenneth@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 5:55 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Compassion

Good question, Paul. I try to be more careful than you have inferred me to be in naming a "remedy." It should be well understood by any homoeopath reading what I write that the two symptoms Ellen listed may not be enough to know whether or not Kali bro is the remedy, but stands as amazingly well indicated nevertheless.
Within the pathology of Kali bro is the unique desire to throw oneself in front of a moving vehicle . . it is the ONLY remedy I know of that has that parculiar indication . . and it is one of four remedies for amnesic aphasia, the inability to remember names, sometimes including one's own name. (There's my mistake, giving credibility to an assumed cause, just as we all have done, and I did it with a fancy name)
So given only that to go on, what else could it be?
Now a physical typologist homeopath like Irene might come up with a completely different remedy, and allow me to say that Irene is so good at it that, from what I've seen, it's creepy . . like she was spying on me, or psychic, or something. But I'm as easily dehypnotized as I am hypnotized, and after I've shook off all these other indicators, I say deal with what's in front of you, those are two very unusual symptoms, just the kind of thing that a good homoeopath is on the lookout for. You say you tried to throw yourself in front of a bus and then wouldn't (or couldn't) i.e. DIDN'T tell the police your name, and I say . . that's Kali bro!
Is it the right remedy? I don't know, and unless Ellen loosens up a little and shares the results, we'll never know, and probably won't since Ellen is put off by my sharp tongue . . even if it was the right remedy I'd expect her not to tell, just to make me cry like a baby . . right Ellen?
But nevertheless, I think it is amazing that the reference work of homoeopathy can furnish such specific information and we're not making more use of it in psychiatry and the branches of medicine that should follow psychiatry, being that the dynamic psychiatry of homoeopathy should be the primordial treatment of all chronic and some acute disease, i.e. modern psychiatry should be making almost sole use of homoeopathy, the training and cost for which should be paid for by the state..
But that won't happen, at least not here in the Weird World of Pax Americana. Right now its let's kill Caesar and start murdering each other!
Thankyouverymuch,
Benneth
In a message dated 12/28/2013 2:33:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dale.moss@verizon.net writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

Hi,

Sorry not to get back. I didn't notice that there was so much communication here.
I was not trying to present a case or to describe a client. Rather I wrote the email for two reasons.

1, I noticed some very mean emails being passed on among us. The writers were people who I think of as fine homeopaths and compassionate people. But, I felt that compassion was not being exercised.
2. I was also appalled at my thoughts as I put down the phone after talking to the police and started writing an email to my client. Only my rational mind was working. Because I'd been talking to the policeman, I thought about the legal consequences of suicide on the railroad track. So I started writing about that. But that thought had nothing to do with her condition. That email would certainly have broken our communications. I lacked all compassion. As Shannon said, I was a bird flapping only one wing, the wing of the rational mind. That bird would never fly as a homeopath. Luckily, I felt something was wrong and I didn't send email.

At that point I began to talk in my heart to a compassionate homeopath among us. Because usually there's a great deal of compassion expressed in the emails between us, she was a very good person to talk to. I didn't need her to talk to in person, although that would have been nice, but I needed her spirit. We commonly share that spirit among us and it is certainly as important as finding rubrics and remedies. There is no how to book on compassion and it is not limited to homeopathy, but it is so basic to us as homeopaths working with clients and as homeopaths talking to one another. So I wanted to express my gratitude for the compassion that I feel in countless minutus emails. They support me every day.

Love and Peace Rule!!!
Ellen