Minutus

Hi Sheri,

After I saw what Irene is going through, I felt these formalities are very important. There is a difference between what is important in fact and what is important legally. We need to make that distinction before we pooh-pooh the hard work that homeopaths have done to give homeopathy a legal and ethical face in the more progressive states. I personally am willing to toe line if this will improve general situation for homeopathy.
Best,
Ellen Madono

At 08:51 PM 12/8/2013, you wrote:
I understand - but Certification doesn't do anything to help legal practice.
These Health Freedom laws are what make the difference. Efforts need to go toward that.
No certification or licensure protects a consumer from a bad practitioner nor guarantees quality care.
The state of California agreed about that in the days of Jerry Brown as governor, back in the 70s and were talking about doing away with licensure for MDs etc, but then a new administration came into the governorship in California and nothing changed.

I don't think you read carefully what I wrote.
Toeing the line has nothing to do with it. It does nothing for homeopathy or quality practice of homeopathy
Sheri

Have to agree with Sheri. Licensing only means you have the funds to take the test
and are a good test taker. Nothing to guarantee how a person performs in practice.
The process that I supported in NYS was a registry process, just as in any other business.
There were some requirements for practicing besides registering the business. They
were issues of ethics like telling people you were not a doctor and not discouraging patients
from seeing one. A few others that were pretty reasonable. This would allow lay practitioners
to work.
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:50 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon

At 08:51 PM 12/8/2013, you wrote:
I understand - but Certification doesn't do anything to help legal practice.
These Health Freedom laws are what make the difference. Efforts need to go toward that.
No certification or licensure protects a consumer from a bad practitioner nor guarantees quality care.
The state of California agreed about that in the days of Jerry Brown as governor, back in the 70s and were talking about doing away with licensure for MDs etc, but then a new administration came into the governorship in California and nothing changed.

I don't think you read carefully what I wrote.
Toeing the line has nothing to do with it. It does nothing for homeopathy or quality practice of homeopathy
Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases and Child Health
next classes start December 6 and 12

sounds similar to Health Freedom law rules in CA
Sheri

At 10:27 PM 12/8/2013, you wrote:

That reminds me - at some point of internet group development - in early-mid 2000's people started signing their messages with names & credentials - even if credentials had nothing to do with general theme of the group - i.e. little park group where moms would chat about what cool park to take their toddlers to and someone would sign the message Jo Shmoe, CPA. One mom came up with something clever, she would sign:
Jill Shmill, SHM (AP). Eventually people started asking what did it stand for - turns our - Stay at Home Mom (Attachment Parenting).

Re: vets vs docs - my understanding is that vets are more vicious - each and every one of them runs essentially small business with huge competition, every lost client is their personal problem. Many MDs work for large organizations where they are just another employee, not responsible for marketing and business analysis; even those who do break out to have own practice usually are not threatened by local homeopaths to chip away from their income, and especially now - if insurance companies are indeed shifting towards rewarding docs whose patients stay out of their office, having homeopath in the community may even be a plus.

V

I am sure the medical turds have tried to change that part of the state Constitution.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: pioneernaturalwellness@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:14:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Hi Ellen,

I live in Texas and it has a very unique provision in its state constitution. To my knowledge it is the only state where alternative choices are protected by the state constitution.

Specifically, Article 16, Section 31 of the Constitution of the State of Texas states: "The Legislature may pass laws prescribing the qualifications of practitioners of medicine in this state, and to punish persons for malpractice, but no preference shall ever be given by law to any schools of medicine." Accordingly, the Texas legislature plainly stated in the construction paragraph of the Medical Practice Act, which is the primary regulatory guidance for physicians practicing within the state, that the Act prohibits discriminating against a school or system of medical practice.[15] In short, although modern medicine substantially favors scientifically based modalities, the Texas constitution, legislature, the Texas Board of Medical Examiners and citizens of the state recognize alternative forms of healthcare practices.[16]

Sincerely,

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "jrbenneth@aol.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Hi Ellen,
Read ORS 685.060 for licensing requirements in God's country http://www.oregon.gov/OBNM/rules/ORS685_2009-2011.pdf.
Apparently Christian Scientists and chiropractors are exempt from healing requirements covered by the statute . .
"(1) This chapter does not apply to any:
(a) Physician licensed by the Oregon
Medical Board to practice medicine,
osteopathy or podiatry;
(b) Chiropractor licensed by the
State Board of Chiropractic Examiners; or
(c) Christian Scientist or other
person who by religious or spiritual means
endeavors to prevent or cure disease or
suffering in accord with the tenets of any
church.
LOL!
So I guess the metaphysicians in
the Hahnemannian Church of Homoeopathy,
in accord with the Organon, are exempt?
BTW, Portland features the nation's oldest school of "homeopathy" and naturopathic medicine, the National College of Natural Medicine, which has a great homoeopathic pharmacy. Andre Seine is one of their grads.
The Portland area is crawling with naturopaths, most of whom, I presume, practice "homeopathy."
This of course does not mean that anyone in Portland understands homoeopathy
(It's better than nothing)
In any event, I'm sure that Oregon would welcome you, whereever you land.
Benneth
In a message dated 12/6/2013 1:06:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ellen.madono@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

I see what you are saying Sheri. That was the arguement that Irene was making at one point.

Vet training is like MD training. Even more competitive I have heard. MD's go into terrible debt to get their certification.
Victoria, are you saying Vets are going after Irene? How do you know?

Who ever is giving her so much trouble must have a lot of money to do it. They can do a law case that they can afford to lose it. They have lawyers to serve her mountains of paper.

I would not like any homeopath to be in her position. What would it take for her not to be so vulnerable? Would Health freedom laws would protect her? Or is money wins the current justice standard?
Ellen
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maybe I should relocate—lol!
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:44 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon

sounds similar to Health Freedom law rules in CA
Sheri

At 10:27 PM 12/8/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases and Child Health
next classes start December 6 and 12

Not in my book, it is a money making scheme, involving memory tests.

Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Well, it is more than just memory. You have to present paper cases
and perform some analysis on the test.
But it is still a test and it does not demonstrate real skill
t
From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:29 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Not in my book, it is a money making scheme, involving memory tests.

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."