Minutus

Yes, Bush gave cart blanche to the drug corporations when he granted them ‘held harmless’ status for vaccine damage.
The govt created an illusion of taking responsibility with VAERS but so few cases make it to the court. The economic paradigm
prefers to have the govt pay for damaged kids, out of our public coffers while protecting private industry profits. Today we
have the advent of the TPP which will ensconce this principle of protecting corporate profits into an international treaty agreement.
The drug corps have since that fateful day used vaccines for bottomless profits while creating more and more diseases that try to
force people into greater and greater drug use.
Yesterday, I had a 19 yr old cashier in the HFS tell me timidly that she believed the medical industry (her phrase) was conspiritorial
against our health. It was heartwarming to her use that phrase as that is how I refer to the drug corp/insurance/AMA consortium.
It was nice to be able to encourage her in this form of thinking and study.
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From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:10 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] HPV Vaccine Controversy on USA TV 12/4/13

that law was gutted even further by the Supreme Court in the last few years. Used to be able to sue the drug company if lost in vaccine court, now can't even do that.
Sheri

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I don't think we should be blaming the government, per se.

The problem is that governments are now controlled, lock, stock and barrel by Big Corp, not the least of whom is Big Pharma.

No government, certainly a USA government, can get elected without Big Corp money these days. And no government can move against Big Corp because all they will do is threaten to remove their factories, employment, etc., elsewhere.

Big Corp helps politicians, who are bought and paid for, to win our votes.

So let's begin addressing the real issue - Big Business - and not government.

It's important to do so, especially in health issues. Why else do politicians and governments support the use of dangerous drugs and vaccines? Why else do drug regulators fail to protect patients from them? Why are our doctors happy to prescribe dangerous medicine?

The answer is not 'government' - it is 'Big Pharma'!

Steve Scrutton

You know how much I agree with you.
But the public also gets brought in for blame. More difficult
as the public is ‘dumbed down’ intentionally via mass social
manipulation from all the social institutions and the govt laws
that are getting implemented to prevent even simple non-violent
protest.
Complacency is a major problem of the public. And too many
distractions from mindless TV/movies/etc to consumerism to
stresses of daily survival.
However, without popular organizing we will have nothing.
Portside sent an article on Mandela who has just passed away
(major loss to us all). I liked the way it protrayed his political
progress with all the years of non-violent political action before
stronger methods were required. What the article did not discuss
was the impact of the struggle against apartheid on the world which
implemented a major BDS process. We can learn much from him, his
life and the movement.
https://portside.org/2013-12-05/celebra ... onia-trial
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From: Steve Scrutton
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:06 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: HPV Vaccine Controversy on USA TV 12/4/13

I don't think we should be blaming the government, per se.

The problem is that governments are now controlled, lock, stock and barrel by Big Corp, not the least of whom is Big Pharma.

No government, certainly a USA government, can get elected without Big Corp money these days. And no government can move against Big Corp because all they will do is threaten to remove their factories, employment, etc., elsewhere.

Big Corp helps politicians, who are bought and paid for, to win our votes.

So let's begin addressing the real issue - Big Business - and not government.

It's important to do so, especially in health issues. Why else do politicians and governments support the use of dangerous drugs and vaccines? Why else do drug regulators fail to protect patients from them? Why are our doctors happy to prescribe dangerous medicine?

The answer is not 'government' - it is 'Big Pharma'!

Steve Scrutton

Non-violent?
I do not call throwing grenades into the schoolroms of childrem "non-violent" - that is what he was jailed for., and his house was stacked to the ceiling with the things.
He had to get rid of his wife Winnie, too when the Americans wangled him out of prison as she ran a "soccer team" which was really a gang of murderers disguised as a soccer team, and word got out, so it looked bad for Mandela.
Mandela was the head of a violent teenage gang, and his pal from the gang Thabo Mbeki, became president after he did. Birds of a feather....

Clearly the man changed his ways - but why sweep the truth under the rug.
The biggest reason that apartheid took hold at all, was the LACK of freedom of speech. Censored newspapers hid the truth from the majority who would have acted much more and much spooner had they known the evils being perpetrated. My gran was an activist for her time but she could only write letters to the editor - the one thing that could slip by the censors to tell people what was really going on - splitting up families, ripping children from mothers etc etc - MOST English speaking South Africans had no clue, it was so well contrived and HIDDEN. The visible aspects of separate rail carriages, etc, were not seen in the right light. There was a lot of evil going on under people's noses, the extent not realized by most.
Separation at school was natural due to the 50 different languages, each learning in mother tongue, it seemed "okay" to most. Each language also has a culture - and THAT was largely not understood except by a few large businesses who insitred on hiring all.

There are huge lessons to learn form the wrongs of apartheid, which originally was copied from the gold mine system of ensuring each culture had housing, food, entertainment etc for THEIR culture - though they could CHOOSE which one to be part of. Fotr work reasons the mines wanted teams of ten of the same language for safety reasons. But give anything to a govt to handle and they will for sure mess it up. They used separation as an excuse not to have a multitude of cultures to CHOOSE from, (as on the mines) but a forced method of separation and also allocation of land - which was inferior - and allocation of jobs - a horrid system.

When I moved to USA in 1969, it was becasue of conflict between AK47 carrying gangs and SSB counterparts. NO place to raise kids. (IN SA there is no right to bear arms, you need a reason to have a gun). Things were being rattled by Russian AK47s smuggled into the country by Russia, in great quantity to be distributed from the trunks of cars to black activists. Govt "SSB" (a secret police of whom every English white person was terrified) routed out those of us who as students wanted to spread the word and do things to make changes happen. People were there one day and never heard from again the next - disappeared into thin air, (abducted by SSB and never seen). When I left, my Afrikaans speaking best friend who was at an English University (Rhodes) in the NUSAS (student activist union) was approached to join SSB. She feared for her life and left SA that night to go to USA so she did not "evaporate" when she said no. I started getting looks form the SSB guy after she disappeared, and thought I might also better get going.

So any anti-apartheid was squished but viciously. It was hard to be anti-government. The lack of freedoms ensured it. Freedom of speech above all.

We are losing that in USA too. We need to fight that NOW.

My freedom of speech to write an email to someone in CA for exampe has been laughed at by a WA judge who is ABOVE THE LAW. The rot is here just as it was in SA.
DO NOT kid yoursleves. It arrives insidiously, one little thing at a time, and each little thing gets to be "oh well, I guess that's how it is these days", we better avoid it and look the other way, it's not MY problem... ...and then the next one is added,, and so on...
I saw it creep in from 1948 in SA when the govt changed.

Evil creeps, and it lies through its teeth, and it squashes free speech - that is the single most powerful way to introduce evil - preventing free speech.
It does not arrive overnight. AND it IS happening in USA.

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I am NOT convinced that governments are controlled lock, stock, and barrel by Big Corp. BUT, (1) Big Corps have too much power via campaign finances, lobbying, and perks, (2) and MUCH WORSE, big corporations engender in the weak minded (like politicians) way too much credibility. Politicians don't seem to realize that you never take the word of someone trying to sell something to you. You don't take the word about drugs or vaccines of a pharmaceutical company trying to sell drugs or vaccines. Yet the FDA gets ALL of it's drugs and vaccine information from the drug and vaccine companies selling said product. But more than than, when it comes to paradigm shifting, NO one has an advantage over anyone else. Yet big corporations would have more unwarranted credibility.

So, yes, unfortunately, corporation have a very strong hold on the government.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: stevescrutton@me.com
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:06:32 +0000
Subject: [Minutus] Re: HPV Vaccine Controversy on USA TV 12/4/13

I don't think we should be blaming the government, per se.

The problem is that governments are now controlled, lock, stock and barrel by Big Corp, not the least of whom is Big Pharma.

No government, certainly a USA government, can get elected without Big Corp money these days. And no government can move against Big Corp because all they will do is threaten to remove their factories, employment, etc., elsewhere.

Big Corp helps politicians, who are bought and paid for, to win our votes.

So let's begin addressing the real issue - Big Business - and not government.

It's important to do so, especially in health issues. Why else do politicians and governments support the use of dangerous drugs and vaccines? Why else do drug regulators fail to protect patients from them? Why are our doctors happy to prescribe dangerous medicine?

The answer is not 'government' - it is 'Big Pharma'!

Steve Scrutton