Minutus

I give him credit for helping to bring homeopathy back to life in the US, but I don't think he is the Hahnemann of our time - he doesn't even practice with the 6th edition and water potencies. One of his most famous students is a homeopath I saw in the 90s and it was a disaster and the person was very rigid and caused harm

Sheri

At 07:26 AM 12/4/2013, you wrote:
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hopefully you were able to argue the legal point well with the safety/efficacy articles as a back up
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From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:18 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] vithoulkas
Ellen it varies by state.

In WA state homeopathy for humans is legal specifically for licenced Naturopaths for humans as part of their profession. There is no specific homeopathy level of training needed, so long as ND is achieved.

For any health profession not covered by a license already in WA, (and veterinary homeopathy and veterinary naturopathy are not covered) there is a legislative intent statement that ANY Alternative Health Profession may be practised in WA, and if it seems unsafe to dept of health, they may regulate it - but minimally to ensure safety - but may not halt the profession.

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I hope so, time will tell, though I am not sure that what I write is even read.
I hope it is.

Will talk more about it when the case is closed, can not do so now. (Your questons also John)

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

For anyone new to homeopathy, studying with Vithoulkas should be beneficial as you learn all the basics well plus his viewpoint on homeopathy as he wrote in The Science of Homeopathy, but, as Dr. Luc points out, he is a 4th edition Organon homeopath.
To become more successful in treatment you would need to augment Vithoulkas with 5th edition and especially 6th edition Organon Hahnemann's "advanced" techniques as taught by Dr. Luc, David Little, etc. Then exploring what Dr. Joe has discovered with Fibonacci F series as that appears applicable for many conditions. Then one could progress to miasmatic prescribing, understanding miasm theory and choosing remedies by miasm - psoric (syphilitic, sycotic, tubercular, cancer) and nosodes by those guidelines.
Ultimately, one wants to gain enough knowledge and experience to assess a case and see what type of approach is needed.
How Hahnemann really selected and managed potency between the 4th, 5th and 6th editions , is explored in detail, between different editions of the Organon; the implication is that many of us, including Vithoulkas, are actually using the methods of Hahnemann’s 4th Organon (1828) not even the 5th (1833) or 6th (posthumous – 1922 / 1982 /1996). Let me elaborate on this statement:
Firstly Dr Luc may make remarks about other homeopaths as I have quoted but they are definitely not ad hominem, they are not in any way personal attacks, they are observations on practice methods.
http://www.drluc.com/prof-ams1.htm
Susan

It's a good thing that he didn't include spelling as part of his grading. (:->)

Roger
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From: rezagodlove@yahoo.com
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 07:26:05 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] vithoulkas
In my opinion Vithoulkas is the most experienced and the best homeopath in our
time. He is the Hahnemann of our time . He is a master of homeopathy who practices classic
homeopathy according to basics of homeopathy and teachings of Hahnemann.
It is an honer for me that I studied homeopathy in his academy.
The Vithoulkas name is the most creditable name in homeopathy in our time.
Ellen it varies by state.

In WA state homeopathy for humans is legal specifically for licenced Naturopaths for humans as part of their profession. There is no specific homeopathy level of training needed, so long as ND is achieved.

For any health profession not covered by a license already in WA, (and veterinary homeopathy and veterinary naturopathy are not covered) there is a legislative intent statement that ANY Alternative Health Profession may be practised in WA, and if it seems unsafe to dept of health, they may regulate it - but minimally to ensure safety - but may not halt the profession.

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Reza
Certainly GV has done a lot for homeopathy.

However, does he teach much about LM (or Q) potencies?

Some of the articles he has written or interviews given about his early homeopathic days are sadly not factually correct!
Some of his materia medica teaching is also suspect - focussing on a few characteristics.
His choice of some of his remedies after case taking have left me wondering on what basis did he chose that remedy!
Perhaps as his honoured student you would like to explain.

Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Reza Z
Sent: 04 December 2013 15:26
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] vithoulkas
In my opinion Vithoulkas is the most experienced and the best homeopath in our

time. He is the Hahnemann of our time . He is a master of homeopathy who practices classic

homeopathy according to basics of homeopathy and teachings of Hahnemann.

It is an honer for me that I studied homeopathy in his academy.

The Vithoulkas name is the most creditable name in homeopathy in our time.
Ellen it varies by state.

In WA state homeopathy for humans is legal specifically for licenced Naturopaths for humans as part of their profession. There is no specific homeopathy level of training needed, so long as ND is achieved.

For any health profession not covered by a license already in WA, (and veterinary homeopathy and veterinary naturopathy are not covered) there is a legislative intent statement that ANY Alternative Health Profession may be practised in WA, and if it seems unsafe to dept of health, they may regulate it - but minimally to ensure safety - but may not halt the profession.

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Soroush
The problem that we have is that we do not have a
unified system in homeopathy like the allopathic medicine.
In allopathic medicine they have some guidelines that everywhere is
the same .In homeopathy anyone who learns it and has some experience comes
with new ideas and new method and thinks he knows better than other homeopaths.
Even Hahnemann changed his ideas about homeopathy during time and
we see it in Organon because during time he had some new experiences .
So experience is very important in homeopathy.
Vithoulkas has a lot of experiences in homeopathy that works and give good results and
compare to other famous homeopaths in our time he actually practices homeopathy
classically and according to basic rules of homeopathy.
His teachings for follow up the patient after first prescription is
also very practical and precious because of that experience that he has.
Dear Reza
Certainly GV has done a lot for homeopathy.
However, does he teach much about LM (or Q) potencies?
Some of the articles he has written or interviews given about his early homeopathic days are sadly not factually correct!
Some of his materia medica teaching is also suspect - focussing on a few characteristics.
His choice of some of his remedies after case taking have left me wondering on what basis did he chose that remedy!
Perhaps as his honoured student you would like to explain.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Reza Z
Sent: 04 December 2013 15:26
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] vithoulkas
In my opinion Vithoulkas is the most experienced and the best homeopath in our
time. He is the Hahnemann of our time . He is a master of homeopathy who practices classic
homeopathy according to basics of homeopathy and teachings of Hahnemann.
It is an honer for me that I studied homeopathy in his academy.
The Vithoulkas name is the most creditable name in homeopathy in our time.
Ellen it varies by state.

In WA state homeopathy for humans is legal specifically for licenced Naturopaths for humans as part of their profession. There is no specific homeopathy level of training needed, so long as ND is achieved.

For any health profession not covered by a license already in WA, (and veterinary homeopathy and veterinary naturopathy are not covered) there is a legislative intent statement that ANY Alternative Health Profession may be practised in WA, and if it seems unsafe to dept of health, they may regulate it - but minimally to ensure safety - but may not halt the profession.

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I am going to wade in here. George Vithoulkas has a well deserved reputation for being a good homeopath. His technique works for him and for many of his students. Homeopathy is a wonderful healing modality, but there are a great many different ways to practice it.

What we all know and believe is that Samuel Hahnemann wrote the rule book, if we stick close to this book, learn our homeopathic foundation information and the rules of practice, minimum dose, symptom totality, and the law of similars, then we will be successful homeopaths.

There is indeed a world standard of homeopathic training and practice being established by the homeopathic community. This was started in Belgium several years back where the European Standards and Competencies were penned, these S & C documents were taken by many countries, the USA included and we in the USA with the help of the homeopathic community set our Standards and Competencies pretty much based on those European Documents. Meaning we are all pretty close to being on the same page world wide regarding the teaching of homeopathy. . That is a huge plus in my opinion.

I have a homoepathic school (the British Institute of Homeopathy) . We study Hahnemann, the Organon and the basic principles as set out in our USA, S & C documents. I like George Vithoulkas, I like Robin Murphy, David Little, Massimo Mangialavori, Jerermy Sherr, Sankaran, and Dr. Roz, Yep Joe, I have always been a fan of yours. etc. They all do great work, and if I live long enough, I would study with any one of them if given the chance, they all have wonderful information to teach. However, I am secure in my homeopathic foundations and I can study with lots of people and keep my own balance on what they are teaching, keeping what is good and eliminating what does not work for me.

If you are going to study homeopathy, learn your basics. These wonderful homeopaths have a lot to teach, but you need to learn your trade. I figure I will only be a top rated homeopath if i am doing the best I can do as ME, I can be a second rate anyone else if I try to copy their style and try to force myself into a way of seeing, treating and doing different from what comes naturally and easily for me. I, however, can learn and am happy to learn from anyone of them.

They make lots of different ice cream flavors, because we are all different, same with teaching styles and ways of teaching. Find one that you can feel comfortable with, there are no shortcuts in this business of healing. Learn your trade, and then be the absolutely BEST homeopath you can be by using your natural abilities.

Warmly, Maria

"new ideas and new method and thinks he knows better than other homeopaths."

That is kind of a big assumption about the mentality of other homeopaths.....there is a big difference between creating/discovering a different way of practicing and assuming that everything and everyone that came before this, as you seem to have written, is past its shelf life.

And we have no unified system because each and every patient might need a different system, a different approach, a different method of treatment.
As a homeopath, you should know that, or are you arguing that we should all practice exactly the same way?

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind" www.naturamedica.webs.com

Benneth and Susan,

Have you read Vilthoukas' book Levels of Health? It is complex, but clinical followup is complex and to me it simplified many issues. I don't think it matters what edition of the Organon he follows when it comes to his ideas on levels of health. As far as I know, the book is quite original. To me it has been most helpful in predicting the course of a case, evaluating remedy reactions etc. It would be interesting to see how a seasoned 5th or 6th edition practioner would amend Vithoulkas' comments.

Best,
Ellen Madono
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