Minutus

I connect with a Canadian based group focused on naturally raised dogs even tho I live with cats.
The group does not support vaccines and promotes species appropriate diets for our furry friends.
The amount of information shared is quite profound with many articles on vaccine dangers discussed
as well as vet recommendations. But even more importantly are the protocols for healing and feeding
that people use. Many of the dogs and cats discussed have never been vaccinated and are fed raw,
organic species appropriate diets with resulting vibrant health.
I agree that since we do not understand how to communicate with our companions, getting a physical
diagnosis is often helpful—but not always as the vets often are wrong. It can also be very stressful
to an animal to be taken to a toxic smelling environment filled with sickness. It can be overwhelming
to them. I have used animal communicators to help diagnose my cats and have had great success.
I can then figure out how to treat. It has been a challenge for me to try and learn communicating myself
and do better giving messages than receiving. My cat is much smarter than me in this regard!
t
From: Christine Wyndham-Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:32 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)


Hi Mary
The best homeopathic vet I ever knew of - in fact it was because of him I became devoted to homeopathy - was a vet who moved from Bristol down to the Dorset area, and I can't for the life of me remember his name. Anyway, since he left I've found it better to take my dog to a normal vet for a proper diagnosis and then I take him home and deal with the issue homeopathically. Obviously I'm not talking if he needed surgery, but Benji is now aged 16 and still going strong and Lady is aged 6. Lady has never had any injections, not even puppy injections, and we started socialising her little by little as soon as we had her. In fact, everything the vet tells you not to do, we did. She is a perfectly healthy little critter.
I agree with you that we definitely need more VetHoms...good ones! Sorry to hear what happened to your dog.
Regards
Christine
www.homoeopathyclassical.com

Tanya,
I didn't neglect a thing as I wanted everyone to read the article.
Your biased conclusions are only your own, based on your own bomb shelter fear and worry mentality you have expressed consistenly on this list.
Aren't you tired of being a crabby Debbie Downer?
I've been using Dr. Luc's advice since before he was a homeopath from his book Candida, have corresponded with him and have seen one of his graduates and book editor s a homeopath and been advised by another.
Thus, people like Luc de Shepper will
gain access to the establishment and may have some influence –but only
because he is backed by the more virulent voices behind him.
I wouldn't extrapolate your hatred of allopathy into his motives and words.
People like?? Name some people LIKE Dr. Luc?
How about people LIKE YOU?? Doomers and Gloomers. Fear Mongerers.
He wrote the article and titled it
The Balance between Allopathy and Homeopathy:
Where Are We Twenty Years later?
Show us where he writes anywhere never to use allopathy?
His MD degree serves him well since he can maneuver in both worlds.
Instead of ignoring and criticizing allopathy, he lectures in their medical schools and hospitals.
That says a-lot about him and your incessant looking for a fight, more about you.
Susan

Actually Susan, you misread my comments as you do so many others.
I read you as a picker and attacker of core principles of homeopathy.
While pretending to be knowledgeable or questioning your comments
are a relentless attack on anything said that doesn’t support your
criticisms—which is of almost everything.
As for my posts, they are designed to educate you. I find your phrase
‘bomb shelter fear and worry’ to be quite funny as well as ignorant.
Let me say for the record, that I am not a fear mongering person. It is
necessary to see what is happening if you are going to deal with it. If
talking about history and learning from it is fear mongering, it seems
you are the one living in fear with blinders on and that is your issue to
deal with.
Let me state clearly that I find your post nasty. Name calling is apparently
your way of denying a reality that you are incapable of dealing with. I
would say it is a good example of Cognitive Dissonance. If you can’t
deal with what you are hearing, then try to deny it by any means including
name calling, insulting, wild accusations and character assassination.
Honey, this is your problem. Denialism is not truth.
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:13 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)

Tanya,
I didn't neglect a thing as I wanted everyone to read the article.
Your biased conclusions are only your own, based on your own bomb shelter fear and worry mentality you have expressed consistenly on this list.
Aren't you tired of being a crabby Debbie Downer?
I've been using Dr. Luc's advice since before he was a homeopath from his book Candida, have corresponded with him and have seen one of his graduates and book editor s a homeopath and been advised by another.
Thus, people like Luc de Shepper will
gain access to the establishment and may have some influence –but only
because he is backed by the more virulent voices behind him.
I wouldn't extrapolate your hatred of allopathy into his motives and words.
People like?? Name some people LIKE Dr. Luc?
How about people LIKE YOU?? Doomers and Gloomers. Fear Mongerers.
He wrote the article and titled it
The Balance between Allopathy and Homeopathy:
Where Are We Twenty Years later?
Show us where he writes anywhere never to use allopathy?
His MD degree serves him well since he can maneuver in both worlds.
Instead of ignoring and criticizing allopathy, he lectures in their medical schools and hospitals.
That says a-lot about him and your incessant looking for a fight, more about you.
Susan

Hi Lisa and Mary
Pls note the following from the website below:
"This law applies, even if no charge is made for the service but does not apply to owners who treat their own animals". The last 10 words are significant, so that's what homeopaths can do...
Sue

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, mary hughes wrote:

It is the same in USA though the laws vary a lot form state to state.
SO as a veterinary homeopath I have clients but I do not treat their animals - I teach them how to do so and THEY treat their animals.
First however they see a vet for diagnostics, and then I study the information plus all information from the client about their animals. I do not need to know the disease diagnosis but I DO need to know what is wrong with the animal. (eg status of key organs, blood components etc etc)

Homeopathy does not treat disease. It builds health in the animal so that IT can beat the illness, using its own immune system. SO it depends how the law is written. Where I live, I may build health and prevent disease and may give gratuitous helps to an animal owner to treat disease - but may not myself diagnose - nor treat a disease for a fee.

SO one must know the DETAIL of the applicable law and work accordingly.
I did happen to attend medical school, but I choose NOT to have a vet license as I o not do the things that need one. I do email information consults. My clients usually (always?) have a vet involved for things needing a vet including lab work etc. Many of my clients come to me sent by their vets who heard of my work.

SO there is more to it than just assuming the drug company approach of "only a vet can help a sick animal" It is actually not true. The drug companies promote it as THEY do not want to lose out to remedies over drugs,
It is why I can treat an animal here for free but not for fee! As it happens, I charge only for my work using homeopathy at my end, such as for my time selecting a remedy matching the ANIMAL (not the illness). ALl else I do is no charge.
But it may be different in another state - specific wording matters.

There are many of veterinary homeopaths in UK, but the law there does tend to encourage a vet degree first.
It's not necessarily an advantage.
In my case I CHOSE the courses I need to help animals - they are not the same as vets take. I did lot more than vets take, but I included relevant things like cell physiology, molecular genetics, organic and biochemistry, immunopharmacology and others in graduate school.
It is the specific subjects I chose - and their relevance to what I do - (mainly involving immune compromise diseases which vets have NO clue about) that make me good at what I do. A vet's degree would make me as useless at the vets are at helping FIP, cancer, lymphoma, sequestered bone infections, leukaemia, spinal paralysis, etc etc

Your daughter needs to know what SHE wants to do specifically - what HER passion is - and then to choose the subjects that will make her GOOD at it. That is the ONLY way to have a career that is deeply enjoyable.

AFTER that she might want to add in other subjects just to get a vet degree or some other credential on paper if needed.
But be sure she studies her PASSION area first, not "how to be a vet" first. DO not do it backwards - have the right end goal in sight, and it makes all the work to get there worthwhile (AND enjoyable).

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Obviously, Tanya, you don't read all my posts but select ones to attack, since most are related to discussions of homeopathy, Chronic Diseases, miasms, etc while most of yours are about anything but homeopathy.
Instead of your psycho babble on cognitive dissonance, why not find the terms for those like you who project their strange thoughts and fears onto others? Those who wish to promote their own agenda?
You bill yourself as a homeopath consultant, what background and training you have is most questionable and knowledge on homeopathic treatment not at all apparent from your posts over years
It's important to research any homeopath in the USA to see if anything odd appears.
Wouldn't you agree?
My research of you shows not 1, nor 2, nor 3 but 4 court cases where you are a plaintiff.
One must wonder, what type of personality has filed FOUR court cases in New York State?
Were any from lack of payment for homeopathic consultations???
I'm not surprised to find this, only confirms the type of person you really are.
Susan

Susan
Let me state clearly that you are a very sick woman.
That you would research my personal background and try to attack me based
on your denialist personality.
You are not worth the time or energy to answer any of your attacks on me.
Using character assassination to try and win an argument puts you on the bottom
of the barrel in my book.
I reject everything you say and find your behavior ignorant and despicable.
You are just a nasty pit bull that can never accept anything that disagrees with you
and need to kill the messenger. Get help!
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:24 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)

Obviously, Tanya, you don't read all my posts but select ones to attack, since most are related to discussions of homeopathy, Chronic Diseases, miasms, etc while most of yours are about anything but homeopathy.
Instead of your psycho babble on cognitive dissonance, why not find the terms for those like you who project their strange thoughts and fears onto others? Those who wish to promote their own agenda?
You bill yourself as a homeopath consultant, what background and training you have is most questionable and knowledge on homeopathic treatment not at all apparent from your posts over years
It's important to research any homeopath in the USA to see if anything odd appears.
Wouldn't you agree?
My research of you shows not 1, nor 2, nor 3 but 4 court cases where you are a plaintiff.
One must wonder, what type of personality has filed FOUR court cases in New York State?
Were any from lack of payment for homeopathic consultations???
I'm not surprised to find this, only confirms the type of person you really are.
Susan

Dear Irene,

Dear Ellen,

Actually I do hardly any acute homeopathy - I mostly work in immune compromise diseases and anything else the vets do not know what to do with. It may be simple like pyometra or pyothorax, but mostly I work with thigs like FIP - and there is no more complex chronic disease in any species.
Thanks. Those were acute cases so may have made it look like I do a lot of them, but I was just answering a question on acute cases and whether homeopathy works for them They come up now and then so I've had some over the years, mostly via my position as a professional advisor at HPathy.com.

How to learn metabolism: I learned it all through university, first in three intensive years of zoology, and then in more years of graduate school (after medical school at Creighton University) in Cell Physiology, and Biochemistry. Then one needs to keep up with new research findings, which can be done via PubMed (The National Medical Library on line with papers worldwide, with at least an English abstract on line, so one can follow up specific ones with the full length paper.).

Blood work interpretation goes hand in hand with metabolism and zoology as it can be species specific.
I'll give an example:
The leading cause of death in cats is chronic kidney disease. This is nonexistent in the wild but is caused by poor food and bad information about kidneys from pet food company so-called "research" (which by the way is affecting human kidneys adversely too, as human doctors tell people to eat low protein diets for kidney damage and that kills them off!)
Anyway - to now correlate with blood work, it helps to detect kidney damage in cats early. Creatinine tells yoyu late. The early sign in cats only, is high amylase (a pancreas enzyme). The metabolism-blood work connection is this:
In cats globulins are excreted by first joining them to amylase molecules. The result is one very gigantic molecule. A compromised kidney cannot excrete that big molecule. The blood test for amylase "sees" these giant molecules as a LOT of amylase, and reports a high amylase reading. The actual amylase is NOT high - it just looks that way due to the kidneys being unable to kick out the huge combination molecules. The pancreas is still making normal amounts of amylase in the cat - so a WRONG blood interpretation FOR A CAT would be pancreatitis and a correct interpretation of high amylase in a cat, would be kidney damage.
SInce there are no symptoms of early kidney damage this blood interpretation is very important as it tells the homeopath to ensure repertorizing the kidney damage, and also recommending a diet for that.

[In humans and dogs, the globulins are not joined to amylase so a high amylase indicates pancreas damage.]
SO all this is a result of understanding the metabolism in cats (and that they conjugate globulins with amylase to excrete them - part of THEIR cell physiology and biochemistry)...and also you need to know how blood tests work - that the machine that looks for amylase reads the big molecules as all amylase, and does not measure actual amylase, just "whatever" contains some.

This amylase-globulin thing has far reaching implications. For example some illnesses have high globulins as a pointer to immune system damage. But in cats maybe the globulins will be normal in the lab test. IF the amylase is high then you cannot believe the globulin test. The globulin test reads ACTUAL globulin, and misses the globulins joined to amylase. So it will give a falsely low reading, and you could easily miss the immune system damage that needs to be repertorized and helped.

Understanding all this internal function BY SPECIES - is essential to finding a good simillimum, as without it you are guessing on issues with no overt symptoms. It can be life or death in illnesses like FIP - which can kill in a few days if the right remedy is not started fast enough.
I have yet to find a vet who understands blood work or metabolism at this level. They will all diagnose a cat with pancreatitis if the amylase is high - and wonder why the cat is not crying with pancreas pain. The diet suggested will be wrong for kidney damage and will actually make it a lot worse.

But vets do NOT learn in depth subjects that I consider relevant. It's why I CHOSE the subjects I felt I needed to know as opposed to going to vet school as such. I actually spent twice as long at university and without a vet degree to show for it, but I feel I know what *I* need to know to do a good job in the area of *my* choice.
I actually think it is a mistake to have a smeared together degree called DVM which teaches nothing specific at all, and is aimed at making money not curing animals. I suppose it depends on one's ethics as to whether that is acceptable as a way of life.
I get harassed as a homeopath sometimes, (for not being a DVM), but I know MY area, and I stay within the law wherever I live, and find ways to use what I study/ied (It's an ongoing process, one MUST keep up with trends, test systems and research) and I teach or increase what I know and share it - and I enjoy being able to really "know what I am doing" in my special area.

The flip side is being VERY frustrated by the fact that clients come to me after spending thousands of dollars and going broke, getting veterinary tests that tell them nothing (or nothing correct), followed by prescriptions that speed the death of their animal. (That's the stage at which I am usually contacted.)

Anyhow - maybe my example with feline amylase tells how/why it matters to understand those things. To learn them takes a good university course followed by regular reading of research to keep up.
No vet course teaches it

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I heard about the UK law last year. Isnt it bizarre that they pushed this restriction
with pets and not people? Did they think this would be the beginning of attacking
lay practitioners or non-medical people from practicing? I find it very suspicious.
Were the vets more successful in protecting their trade than human based practitioners?
Did the homeopathic community just not pay enough attention to this creeping repression?
t
From: Sue
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:54 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)

Hi Lisa and Mary
Pls note the following from the website below:
"This law applies, even if no charge is made for the service but does not apply to owners who treat their own animals". The last 10 words are significant, so that's what homeopaths can do...
Sue

--- In mailto:minutus%40yahoogroups.com, mary hughes wrote:

Yes Sue,

I already said that,
my point is that ONLY owners, NOT homeopaths or any other therapist unless they are a vet...this does not help many people or their animals.
If the owner of an animal gets a homeopath to help with their animal, that is considered 'treatment' by the homeopath not the owner and breaks the law.
This is something I have checked.

I personally don't have a problem, I'm lucky being both a lay homeopath and a trained herbalist, (this is how I know, I am bound by the same laws...not saying I wouldn't do it, just that it is against the law to do so, but I'm a healer and just get on and do it at my own risk) a raw feeder, chemical-free, non-vacc'd etc.
I am expressing the frustration that is caused by the long-winded and complicated way the 'system' works here, it is not in the interest of the animals despite it's 'worthy' claims.
And the fee's charged are beyond the means of many people unless they have pet insurance which many don't.
The art of animal husbandry is nearly lost as Christine knows also, it has been replaced by dependency on the veterinary system, everyone is told that they don't know how and should leave such things to the 'experts', and sadly most people believe this, as one person said to me in blank confusion, "but that's why I use the vet so I don't have to waste my time learning all that crap, that's what I pay them for".
This is an attitude I come across regularly, the lack of personal responsibility for anything including their own health, it's the world we live in.
Xmarybabb