Minutus

The original question was if a certain remedy was 'good for fevers'
Here is what I responded with "I don't know it but we don't need or want to treat fevers. If we treat the whole picture and healing starts, then the fever goes because the body doesn't need it anymore.
http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm treating a fever is only treating one symptom is often suppressive"

Irene said 104 degree fever leads to brain damage (and later she also added death - she didn't say adults, she didn't say children, she didn't provide any proof. )
What has happened out there is HUGE numbers of parents fear fever to a great extent and all day long I answer questions on fever on facebook and everyone wants to use tylenol or advil. They act as if fever is a disease to be suppressed. I teach on suppression, I teach on the importance of fever and problems with suppression of fever or any symptom

Sheri

At 11:50 PM 2/16/2013, you wrote:

what? you have got to be kidding me. Palliative measures for fever?
Sheri

At 05:12 AM 2/17/2013, you wrote:

PALLIATE??
WHY???
Surely Fever is just one of the symptoms and you deal with it as part of the presenting totality.
For example if after any remedy (Acon, Bell, Bry etc) the fever comes down and the patient starts to feel better that is not palliation, that is going towards cure.
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vtyekkir
Sent: 17 February 2013 13:13
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Fever treatment
Hi,

Any reaction mounted by the body is helpful as long as it
is within control and leads to recovery. On the other hand
as Dr Vijayakar of Predictive homeopathy pointed out at
many seminars, any bodily process that is going out of
control is of Syphilitic miasm joining hands with the psora,
which is like adding fuel to the fire. In such a case,
palliative measures are the need of the hour and must be
put in place at the esrliest.

V.T.Yekkirala.

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , "Paul Booyse" wrote:

Something worries me a lot......nobody seems to try and address the origin/cause of the fevers.....

Here is how the great Compton Burnett started his way of treating patients, after this case he encountered: a child was brought in with high fever, the perfect picture of Belladonna; he gave Belladonna, all symptoms abated, only to recur a few days later, same picture; same treatment; same outcome. Then the child died.
Autopsy revealed the cause of the fever was tuberculous meningitis.
Belladonna does definitely not cover that pathology.......

Treating a patient with fever only with the actual situational remedies like aconite, belladonna, chamomille, ferrum phos, etc,......without a proper diagnosis (NOT a label but the knowledge of WHAT is happening and WHY!) is nothing else but allopathy with potentised substance.

It is not homeopathy and it is not even medicine IMO.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

No one Joe? Further responders, yes.
Here is what I said in first response to the subject line - Is Canchalagua the same as Californium?:
"I don't know it but we don't need or want to treat fevers. If we treat the whole picture and healing starts, then the fever goes because the body doesn't need it anymore.
http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm
treating a fever is only treating one symptom is often suppressive"

and then in the next email with the change in subject line to Fever Treatment, I responded to the misinformation of 104 causing braindamaged by saying this "We don't treat a fever - that is a symptom and a body's way of dissipating a disturbance. We treat the whole picture and the fever goes when it is no longer needed, is what I still say.
Maybe you could read the info on my page http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm "
Sheri

At 01:31 PM 2/18/2013, you wrote:

In the case of Compton Burnett, and it takes a few pages in one of his books, the whole picture was that of Belladonna and only that of Belladonna, and nothing else, with the dramatic results described.
Especially in acutes, there is one overwhelming picture and the rest is put in the background.
It is therefore essential not only to treat the full picture presented, but also and I would even venture to say essentially to go behind the presenting totality.

Yes, reading between the lines, that is what you, and others wrote. I want to hammer that nail on the head.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

I often give my patients the attached article to read (Is our fear of fever hurting our children – long one) – stating it is the beginning point for them to begin to research things on their own – that there are two schools of thought re fever and this will give them a start on what their drs are not telling them.
I also give them the symptoms to watch for, for meningitis, encephalitis and epiglottitis and also remind them that their ‘maternal/paternal instincts’ - if listened to, rather than scaremongering, will help them know without doubt when it is time to seek further immediate advice – whether from an emergency ward or their usual practitioner (alternative or not).
The other 2 are ones I use at times (some cannot handle the intensity of the long article and give them the other one from dutch govt – not sure if it is still used there but the message is a good start.
The convulsions one was from the trainers I do my CPR with every year but thought it a good one – even tho has a medical referral in it - the information re convulsion is good and in language that parents can understand.
I am sure that some of you will find fault with parts of them however – I do not state that every part is gospel JUST that it is starting point for researching another way to look at things regarding fever and the use of Paracetamol (=Acetaminophen) / inbruprophen / aspirin

Regards Pauline
Pauline Ashford

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Absolutely correct
jeff

You are welcome to your opinion - I'l stay with fact:-)
.......Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

You misquote - I said "continued" 104 fever or higher.
I see it in cats with FIP for example, and it kills them fast. It MUST be brought down to 103 or less for survival to be possible. But it needs to be brought down by *helping* the body to fight it, and not by suppression - I said all that too... and the proof is the deaths that DID occur...and which continue to occur if it is not handled.

Fevers can only be left alone if the body IS capable of defending itself - not when the disease has caused that not to be an option.
That would be suppression and I have never advocated or implied that it should ever be used - just the opposite is always included when Io talk about handling high fever where needed. So please do not misquote.

.......Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."