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You are a real trip Irene. How about some cures instead of technobabble? 80 years of research chasing a simple metabolic disease than can be cured by diet. Obviously your training has incarcerated your mind into myopic thinking. There are a lot of people who are alive today because of me. I warned them about the "science" and its gross failures and they took heed. Obviously you don't understand pleomorphism, and yes, it had everything to do with Warburg's experiments. He didn't see it or didn't care, probably thinking that is was a result of the action which, of course, it is. Cancer is a fungus. Rife saw it and classified it erroneously as a virus due to its size but more likely it was a mycoplasma; that discovery came years later. If you also research "Cell Wall Deficient Forms - Stealth Pathogens" by Lida Mattman, you may change your tune. Perhaps you would enjoy the book "Four women Against Cancer" By Alan Cantwell. And, of course, all the work of Gaston Naessens certainly can't be ignored. Heard of him?

It has been my experience that the more educated people become, the less they are capable of accepting concepts outside the boundaries of their training. It isn't their fault, it's just the way things are.

BTW: Doc has a survivor from pancreatic cancer now 3 years out. No sign of cancer at her last checkup. But, of course, I must be dumb and my input obviously inconsequential because I'm not a biologist.



http://www.lymebook.com/cell-wall-defic ... ms-mattman
Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

Oh, but it does! If you read "Olive Oil Extract" by Morton Walker, you will find that it has many anti-pathogenic characteristics, not just triggering apoptosis. He describes that it is essentially anti-everything. It comes close to Erlich's "Therapia Sterilisans Magna."

Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
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That research shows the olive leaf extract lead the cells to apoptosis (suicide) and does not take into account any of the antibiotic/antiseptic properties of the plant.....

You gave that reference as a confirmation of your approach, I do not see that in this paper, therefore this specific reference, as interesting as it is, is not valid to prove your point.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

I gave it as an example that there is validity to this substance. It wasn't intended to be proof but rather an observation about the power of the plant based substance. In particular there was a broad spectrum agent called (this is from memory so I may not be correct, designated as calcium elenolate?) I read Dr. Morton's book quite some time ago but I do recall that everything your seek you shall likely find in his work. I recall the theme of the work, not the specifics. I'm not writing a paper on the topic here, just making an observation which has been apparently over-looked by the medical establishment. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
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You gave that reference as a confirmation of your approach, I do not see that in this paper, therefore this specific reference, as interesting as it is, is not valid to prove your point.

I gave it as an example that there is validity to this substance. It wasn't intended to be proof but rather an observation about the power of the plant based substance. In particular there was a broad spectrum agent called (this is from memory so I may not be correct, designated as calcium elenolate?) I read Dr. Morton's book quite some time ago but I do recall that everything your seek you shall likely find in his work. I recall the theme of the work, not the specifics. I'm not writing a paper on the topic here, just making an observation which has been apparently over-looked by the medical establishment. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
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You gave that reference as a confirmation of your approach, I do not see that in this paper, therefore this specific reference, as interesting as it is, is not valid to prove your point.

Is that your response to valid criticism of your ideas - to attack the person making them?
We are not discussing cures, We are discussing your theories and their lack of any basis
(I've no problem helping cancer back to health with homeopathy, and do not want, need or use the chemotherapy approach you are advocating).
If you stopped making assumptions from things that are not there, and actually followed some of the science you like to call technobabble, you might make some progress.

Too may of your thoughts are claimed to follow on the work of others (usually from some past century - Erlich in the 1800 for example, who invented the principle of chemotherapy) who just "did not see it themselves" whereas you feel you do "see it", but have nothing to even vaguely substantiate your claims. Those folks working more than a century ago, did not have the benefit of modern investigation techniques. If you used them, you would not come up with your fungus theory, (that supposedly so many others "saw without actually seeing it whereas YOu see it" to paraphrase your most recent fiction, as you'd KNOW it's not there.
Because it does not exist outside of a gene splicing lab.
Because it was not there.
Nor did he do any work that was looking for such a concept.
You are misusing his work to pretend you see something that was never there.
No he did not!
Again you invent fiction to piggyback on other names you think are famous, with some fiction you have invented.
At least he was sharp enough to know there was nothing present that was bigger than a virus.
A virus is about 10 or 15 nm though some can be long skinny ones - tobacco virus is as long as a mycoplasma.
Dreaming. Mycoplasmas are varied in size but bigger than viruses. There is no problem spotting them with modern instruments either. They are somewhere in the region of 150 to 250 nm. The organism causing Lyme disease is one of them. (A mycoplasma is not a fungus either by the way.)

You need an electron microscope to see them well as a light microscope can only look at things that are longer than a wavelength of light (blue light being 451nm)
It's yours that's out of tune. Her 1956 book is about lyme disease, not fungus or cancer or leukaemia.
Sadly the world is full of crazy people trying to make a buck on biology subjects without having done first grade biology.
He's another one of the crazies. Born in 1924, he managed to imagine up something he "saw" in blood cells with a light microscope, put together a nasty chemical and claimed it would cure a list of diseases. No evidence at all, no studies, and no evidence of any study of biology by him either, and people taking his "chemotherapy" cure-all, died. ( He was tried for various related offenses, as are others who try to use his nasty chemical concoction.)

Did you notice that this is a homeopathy discussion group and not a chemotherapy history list?
Unfortunately, the converse is dangerous - people who accept just anything in areas where they have no training - not even enough to know whether they are in the ballpark with their assumptions. They COULD go get training and try to make sense of things - but clearly that takes energy they'd rather not expend. It's more fun to just use imagination.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Well Irene, if you have so many answers then how come medicine still can't cure anything? Its all technobabble. So much of your rants are off the mark but that I have come to expect from you.

I never advocated chemotherapy for starters. Where did you get that idea from? No pleomorphisn ay? Look here:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ple ... ORM=NVPFVR

http://wn.com/pleomorphic

When we first started this thread I returned to you examples such as this that you ignored. I don't wish to waste any more time with you arguing each point as your mind is obviously closed. Rife said it best: "they use complex terms to cloak their ignorance."

As far a slinging mud at each other, wasn't it you that fired the first volley? Talk about a lack of professionalism... It's time Irene, that YOU look in the mirror! Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

I do not know where you have been, but homeopathic medicine has been curing everything I can think of, for a couple centuries. Are you suggesting homeopathy is not medicine?

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Your emails.
Two examples:
You refer to Erlich, who is known as the father of chemotherapy, for his Nobel prize related to that.
You refer to Olive leaf extract and the study to see if it is effective as chemotherapy.
...and others

Nowhere do you refer to homeopathy.

...Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

My reference to Erlich was about his concept of Therapia Sterilisans Magna aka the magic bullet. I never mentioned chemotherapy in reference to him.

I don't recall ever saying that chemotherapy was effective. Perhaps you can find the quote and re-post it?

The entire thread was on the allopathic medical system, I never commented on homeoapathy one way or another.

Its wonderful that so many conditions can be resolved with homeoapathy, that is why I joined the group in the first place. I will be the first to admit that I know little about it. On the other hand I know a great deal about allopathic medicine which I deplore. There are many things outside of homeoapayhy that are effective and I know about a lot of them. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen