Minutus

Remember you said you would disclose the ingredients in your remedy when your web-site was launched.
Well it is launched - when will you fulfil your promise?
Jeff

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com
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Dear Mr Jeff,
After your repeated asking I said in reply that I will tell about the medicine at suitable time , not any other promise . Now I am asking , what you will do after knowing about the medicine ? Will you prepare it by yourself or what ?
To extract the medicinal power from any substance we need to use the latest knowledge of physics , chemistry and pharmacology etc. Simply knowing the main substance one cannot prepare the medicine .
Let it to stay as my ' Intalectual Property ' for the time being . Oneday , I will reveal it for my own interest . Ultimately , the suffering humanity will be benefited .
Now , I will gradually add the successfully treated cases in my website : www.finalmedicine.com .
Thank you very much .
Dr M E Hossain

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From: jtikari
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Remember you said you would disclose the ingredients in your remedy when your web-site was launched.
Well it is launched - when will you fulfil your promise?
Jeff

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com
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Dear Mary,

Thank you very much for your questions which needed much patience .
I am sorry to give answers late. You know that Bangladesh is my neighbour country. I went there on 23 rd sep.to meet my relatives, friends and patients. I returned on 26 th. On that period I could not check my mails . Now I am trying to give answers all of your questions . Still you have some questions please ask me .

1. My website is very recent one . Very few patients know that I have an website . I don't have a single patient connected with web or mail . So, size of testimonials can't be the proof of success .
Your question 'ever get sick again?' . Answer -- if your concept is one should get cure forever even after stoping the treatment , then it is a wrong concept untill you maintain perfect weather , nutrition , hygiene-sanitation and proper lifestyle etc . Yes , will not get sick again in normal condition if treatment continues . Here need some knowledge about 'Genomics' . We know that disease is caused by internal & external factors . Internal factors are related to Genomic state which is defective in all human beings (SNP - which is accumulated after generations together) . It is not possible to correct all Genomic alterations in a single generation . If treatment continues the promotion of health ( total health irrespective any name of disease ) continue throughout life without any further sufferings whatever may be the internal and external factors are .

2. Worldwide Publish : www.finalmedicine.com (www = worldwide web )

3. Vaccines : In my country 'India' some vaccines are compulsory by law . I can't take law in my hand .
Though my relatives and some friend's children have not given vaccines .

4. Treatment and Proving are one & same thing , I will prove it in my next article .

5. Since my medicine is single for all purpose I can't say in details about preparation of the medicine . Then everybody may claim it is their invention .

6. Hahnemann : He repeatedly said , to know homeopathy good or bad , taste it . My answer is same .

7. Assistant : If you have time you can assist me . MOST WELCOME !

8. To get answer questions must be specific . So , I am giving you answer specifically now .

9. This is truly Hahnemannian . I am 100% indebted to Hahmann , all the writers of the book I read and my teachers .

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From: Mary Ann Gilmore
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Cc: "drmehossain@finalmedicine.com"
Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr. Hossain,

I have been following the discussions about your ‘final medicine’along
with all of the excellent questions others have raised about it. My
following comments and questions are with all due respect and kindness for
your efforts to help suffering humanity.

When you make the claim ‘final medicine’ this is an absolute claim which
means that no other medicine is needed ever. I did read your website and
you make this claim. However if this is so, out of the 10,000 or so that
you claim to have helped I see only two testimonials and those from this
year only.

Some questions:

Did any of the 10,000 or so ever get sick again?

If no, why no more testimonials?

If yes, should this medicine be called something else since nothing
absolutely final has happened?

Why have you not published this information throughout the world?

Is it because of big pharma, etc. and if so did that stop others?

Is there another reason? Is so, what is it?

If some of the children you helped were never sick, why were they given
vaccines later by your own admission?

Under the website heading We Can you make the claim that you can “prevent
almost all” human sufferings with this medicine along with the help of
proper nutrition, hygiene, sanitation and lifestyle, etc.

Some questions:

You are saying ‘almost all’ and you also include all of these other
factors so does not this deny the idea of an absolute final medicine?

Would you not have to say ‘I can prevent ALL human suffering and then not
include these other things since no on on earth today can make this claim
with pollution, GMO, etc can get proper nutrition, hygiene, etc?

How is this ‘final’ when it is not the one and only medicine one will ever
need and only one time?

Has a proving ever been done of this medicine?

Did it follow the guidelines outlined by Dr. Hahnemann?

Where is it published?

Is it accessible as other provings are?

You quote others like Jan Scholten, etc. but do you publish as they do?

Historically speaking, when other men have made claims to heal, what was
the proof?

Was it the medicine or the fact that the person was healed and did they
make or prove claims, explaining things like principles of cure, knowledge
of medicine, provings, etc.? Dr. Hahnemann did this as well as those
after him.

Also, another example, many believe the healings that Jesus performed were real.
Why? Even though his primary job was not as a healer, he made no
extravagant claims, he just did it and let the person be the proof. (Only
two testimonials out of 10,000 is not a proof to me). He also did them in
public places, with simplicity and took no money from those healed. Even
his enemies acknowledged his healings? Is this true for you? Dr.
Hahnemann also had a free clinic.

I also noted that there does not seem to be a response to questions when
asked here and I noticed that Jeff put a question on your website and when
I checked today it was removed and not answered.

More questions:

Is there a reason why you did not answer?

Does your claim to homeopathy take into account Aph 119 where it talks
about the ‘differing medicines’ needed? We could go on and on using the
Organon just by itself.

Even though homeopathy needs to develop, how do you justify throwing out
certain things?

If this is justiable then should not there be a very detailed explanation
with proof?

And finally, this leads to our acknowledging the indispensable role that
Dr. Hahnemann played in discovering homeopathy and documenting it clearly
for us. Notice, please, that I said documenting.

Some questions:

Have you documented your discoveries down to the smallest detail following
the tradition of Dr. Hahnemann, especially noting the important fine, fine
details necessary in order to explain to others the concepts he discovered
so that there would be as few questions as possible left to ask? (and
then there were a few even with his lifetime of documenting) His thorough
care is apparent to all.

Have you published these as he did? If yes, where are they? If you are
too busy, (and Dr. Hahnemann was not) could you not get an assistant or
secretary to do this for you? Dr. Hahnemann did this.

Under CANCER on your website you make the claim that one can take the
‘final medicine’ along with their cancer medicine and then the cancer
medicine can be withdrawn.

Some more questions:

So, has your medicine cured every cancer patient you have had and if so
why no testimonials?

Why do you also keep saying good nutrition, proper hygiene, no smoking,
etc. along with your ‘final medicine?’

Again, the conclusion has to be that this is not final.

And if you have found an ‘only solution’

Some questions:

Why will you not publish it? If you do not trust someone to publish it
accurately, why not self-publish so that you have total control over what
is discussed?

And this ‘only solution’, will it be made available to everyone in your
country free? After all, think of what that would do for the prosperity
and well being of your whole country.

Would it not make it one of the most powerful on earth, when now it is
overrun by poverty, unsanitary conditions, etc.?

Why under heart disease do you say that it will help those in an incurable
state?

Is this not a contradiction?

If the word final is absolute, then there would be no incurable state
would there?

Does it act as a palliative at this point? So how is it final if it does
not cure?

And finally, if you would ever reach a disease free society, how would you
get rid of death and even more within range, how would you prevent corrupt
individuals from corrupting the maintaining environment we live in, never
mind adding more devious wars?

Do we need a society full of healthy, corrupt people filling the earth
with vaccines, GMO food, pollution, as well as going to war with each
other?

Would this not be worse than what we see today and aren’t things are bad
enough as it is?
And if you improve the health of those living in poverty, with poor
hygiene, poor nutrition, etc. (rich or poor) how do you differentiate your
‘cure’ from the improvement of their conditions?

Would not there be a huge decrease in disease just from removing
maintaining causes alone, (which today is impossible to do absolutely)?
I could go on and on with questions, most of which have already been
excellently asked by others and I, no doubt, have duplicated, not having
had time to reread them all.

No one can know for sure what you are claiming and many claims can be made
about anything (GMO is wonderful!) But proof in the disclosure process is
part of how to convince others. Added to this proof of motives is also
another way to give added credibility. So until this is done, the
discussion is basically becomes contentious and can be of no value to
anyone else.

I would really appreciate your taking the time to answer just a few of
these questions.

Yours truly,

Mary Ann Gilmore
Mary Ann Gilmore

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
Until you tell us more about this product, all we have from you is series of claims.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 15:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Br Soroush,
" Physicians high and only mission is to restore the sick......."
My only medicine can do the job .
Hahnemann's EUREKA tine , he thought that his invention can cure everybody, but he could not because of the limitations (partial effect) of medicine . This is why he had to add so many theories . Even during his last year of life he had to experiment with different potencies . If his first meicine could have covered holistically he would not have developed any other medicine and theory .
Thanks .
Emdadul Hossain
From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk " >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
We know that succussion and the strength of the beats imparts "dynamic energy" to the remedy. This is shown by the sensitive patient requiring less succussion when using LMs or when plussing.
As far as your remedy - a cure all - is concerned, you are not telling us much and as it is claimed that it suits all, then it cannot be based on the principle of 'symptom similarity' and therefore it is NOT homeopathy.
It also means that to prescribe it, one does not need a trained person. Any one can distribute it and indeed potentially it can be put in the mains water and everyone in town will be cured.
You say Hn started the work and you have finished it.
I look forward to more details of how you finished Hn's work.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 12:53
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi Irene
I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .
About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves
that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .
On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,
some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .
I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with
the help of elbow power ) .
If we get result what wrong with it ?
Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?
Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .
Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every
condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site http://www.finalmedicine.com/ .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Not true. It was done 200 years ago by Hahnemann with the method of that time and worked fine.
The same method will work fine today, because no physics or chemistry has changed since then, and YOU claim this is Hahnemannian

Also, if it was not that easy, you would not be trying to hide your claimed invention.
Not true. Intellectual property is a legal term under the copyright law. Copyright does NOT protect content or information - only the writing/pictorial/artistic STYLE in which the information is presented. The information itself is NOT protected from use or copying, and can be repeated in another style by anyone, anywhere. Since you have not yet written a description, you have nothing intellectual to protect. SO intellectual property does not apply here.

If, on the other hand, you have developed a NEW chemical that you synthetically manufacture, and can prove that it is synthetic and not natural and that you are first to manufacture it - then you may apply for and may receive, a patent on the chemical. That is separate from Intellectual property - it is a limited-time protection against competition for NEW INVENTION not found in nature.

Your only other option is a "patent mixture" filing, which can be kept secret as to ingredient *ratios* or as to the mechanism of manufacture - but not as to what the ingredients are, and the ingredients list must be available to all in order of volume.

SO unless you invented a new chemical not found in nature, and patented it, there is NO way to legally keep the ingredients secret and ever sell or give away your product.

These facts are what make your claims *look* bogus.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hello Irene,
Thanks for your knowledge about 'copyright law'. I repetedly said that my medicine is diluted ( potentised ) . According to ' Intellectual Property act ' , no diluted medicine is eligible to get patent . I know it for a long time . No homeopathic diluted ( dynamic ) medicine is a subject of patent . I wanted to mean it within homeopathic society to keep my medicine a secret for the time being .
There is no problem to sell my medicine according to 'Drug and Cosmetic Act' , atleast in my country India , because it is not a chemical product .
One thing we homeopath always should remember that entire homeopathic system is dependent on faith and belief . Because , we cannot differentiate between Bry 30c and RT 30c , Bry 30c and Bry 200c . etc. etc. We must depend on 'level' . My FINAL MEDICINE is a single medicine with fixed potency ( dilution ) , hence it is more dependable than any other homeopathic medicine . In any other given medicine it is not possible to understand which one it is among the thousands and in which potency .
FINAL MEDICINE is the most dependable , complete , holistic and most certain for all human beings / animals and for all state of sufferings . So , use it for yourself and for your patients .
Thanks a lot .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Email : drmehossain@yahoo.co.in
http://www.finalmedicine.com/

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Not true. It was done 200 years ago by Hahnemann with the method of that time and worked fine.
The same method will work fine today, because no physics or chemistry has changed since then, and YOU claim this is Hahnemannian

Also, if it was not that easy, you would not be trying to hide your claimed invention.
Not true. Intellectual property is a legal term under the copyright law. Copyright does NOT protect content or information - only the writing/pictorial/artistic STYLE in which the information is presented. The information itself is NOT protected from use or copying, and can be repeated in another style by anyone, anywhere. Since you have not yet written a description, you have nothing intellectual to protect. SO intellectual property does not apply here.

If, on the other hand, you have developed a NEW chemical that you synthetically manufacture, and can prove that it is synthetic and not natural and that you are first to manufacture it - then you may apply for and may receive, a patent on the chemical. That is separate from Intellectual property - it is a limited-time protection against competition for NEW INVENTION not found in nature.

Your only other option is a "patent mixture" filing, which can be kept secret as to ingredient *ratios* or as to the mechanism of manufacture - but not as to what the ingredients are, and the ingredients list must be available to all in order of volume.

SO unless you invented a new chemical not found in nature, and patented it, there is NO way to legally keep the ingredients secret and ever sell or give away your product.

These facts are what make your claims *look* bogus.

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Dr. Hossain,

Thank you so much for your kind reply. It was very nice of you to take the time to answer and I appreciate your offer to be your assistant. However, I would have to relocate and be paid! This is a quick email to add a few thoughts so that I can understand what you are claiming more clearly and add this to my response. From reading Irene's comments I concluded that she was talking about the realities at work in the universe and not our knowledge, understanding and/or description of them which has progressed. I also would like to know how you can say that homeopathy is based on faith and belief. If you could define those two terms more clearly it would be helpful. Belief can be based on something false through ignorance or whatever. Oxford however, defines faith as "complete trust or confidence in someone or something:" The definition applying to spiritual or religious matters is not being defined but the same principles would apply. Very rarely does someone have faith in something without accurate knowledge, observation and experience which is what Dr. Hahnemann recognized and why he was so assiduous in his experimentation and observation over a long period of time. He understood the basic workings of what he was talking about and refrained from even bringing things public until he was absolutely sure. So he could and did have faith that was based on accurate knowledge. We know his faith and knowledge was limited to his time however what he did know was clearly not fuzzy. So why do you say that homeopathy is based on faith and belief? I am getting the implication that you are saying these things are fuzzy and/or unknowable so if you could kindly clarify I would appreciate it.

Yours truly,

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: Md Hossain
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hello Irene,
Thanks for your knowledge about 'copyright law'. I repetedly said that my medicine is diluted ( potentised ) . According to ' Intellectual Property act ' , no diluted medicine is eligible to get patent . I know it for a long time . No homeopathic diluted ( dynamic ) medicine is a subject of patent . I wanted to mean it within homeopathic society to keep my medicine a secret for the time being .
There is no problem to sell my medicine according to 'Drug and Cosmetic Act' , atleast in my country India , because it is not a chemical product .
One thing we homeopath always should remember that entire homeopathic system is dependent on faith and belief . Because , we cannot differentiate between Bry 30c and RT 30c , Bry 30c and Bry 200c . etc. etc. We must depend on 'level' . My FINAL MEDICINE is a single medicine with fixed potency ( dilution ) , hence it is more dependable than any other homeopathic medicine . In any other given medicine it is not possible to understand which one it is among the thousands and in which potency .
FINAL MEDICINE is the most dependable , complete , holistic and most certain for all human beings / animals and for all state of sufferings . So , use it for yourself and for your patients .
Thanks a lot .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Email : drmehossain@yahoo.co.in
http://www.finalmedicine.com/

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Not true. It was done 200 years ago by Hahnemann with the method of that time and worked fine.
The same method will work fine today, because no physics or chemistry has changed since then, and YOU claim this is Hahnemannian

Also, if it was not that easy, you would not be trying to hide your claimed invention.
Not true. Intellectual property is a legal term under the copyright law. Copyright does NOT protect content or information - only the writing/pictorial/artistic STYLE in which the information is presented. The information itself is NOT protected from use or copying, and can be repeated in another style by anyone, anywhere. Since you have not yet written a description, you have nothing intellectual to protect. SO intellectual property does not apply here.

If, on the other hand, you have developed a NEW chemical that you synthetically manufacture, and can prove that it is synthetic and not natural and that you are first to manufacture it - then you may apply for and may receive, a patent on the chemical. That is separate from Intellectual property - it is a limited-time protection against competition for NEW INVENTION not found in nature.

Your only other option is a "patent mixture" filing, which can be kept secret as to ingredient *ratios* or as to the mechanism of manufacture - but not as to what the ingredients are, and the ingredients list must be available to all in order of volume.

SO unless you invented a new chemical not found in nature, and patented it, there is NO way to legally keep the ingredients secret and ever sell or give away your product.

These facts are what make your claims *look* bogus.

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

We are fortunate, Emdadul, that SH was not secretive and freely divulged his knowledge to all the world.
Had he been secretive...there would be no Homeopathy today.
Jeff

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com
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Since that could not be further from the truth, your credibility just reached zero:-(

It is science:-)
I'm sorry if you do not follow the science. If yo wish, you could you read up on it in Bellavite and Signorini books among other places.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Touchdown! Irene
I have yet to be able to understand any of his claims or responses.
From my understanding, homeopathy is Not a one size (wonder pill) fits all.
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From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:01 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Since that could not be further from the truth, your credibility just reached zero:-(

It is science:-)
I'm sorry if you do not follow the science. If yo wish, you could you read up on it in Bellavite and Signorini books among other places.

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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One thing we homeopath always should remember that entire homeopathic system is dependent on faith and belief .

says emdadul Hossain.
I have treated umpteen animals with homeopathic remedies with great success.
I don't know how much faith and belief the animals had in homeopathy.
Jeff

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com