Minutus

I use to feel that all the time b/c I was hypothryoid. But since you said she has done every test under the sun, I am assuming that she does not have it. I am wondering. Has she gone through a detox yet?: Does she exercise? How is her lifestyle and diet? After I started a standard process detox and starting running, I was able to run on less sleep (6 hours, which I could never do before).

I am not a doctor, but this is what I know to have worked for me. I hope you find a solution to her health. =) God Bless

--- On Mon, 9/12/11, rochelle Marsden wrote:

HI Rochelle

try these rubrics

GENERALS - CHRONIC FATIGUE Syndrome
GENERALS - COLLAPSE
GENERALS - WEARINESS
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - exertion - agg. - slight exertion
GENERALS - WEAKNESS
GENERALS - MONONUCLEOSIS - chronic
MIND - PROSTRATION of mind
MIND - ENNUI
MIND - DULLNESS
GENERALS - LASSITUDE
GENERALS - HEAVINESS
GENERALS - HEAVINESS - Externally
GENERALS - LIE DOWN - desire to
GENERALS - SLUGGISHNESS of the body
SLEEP - PROLONGED
SLEEP - WAKING - late; too
SLEEP - NEED OF SLEEP - great
SLEEP - FALLING ASLEEP - early
SLEEP - COMATOSE - continued
SLEEP - COMATOSE
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - prolonged sleep
SLEEP - PROLONGED
SLEEP - WAKING - late; too
SLEEP - NEED OF SLEEP - great
SLEEP - FALLING ASLEEP - early
SLEEP - COMATOSE - continued
SLEEP - COMATOSE
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - prolonged sleep
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - waking - after - agg.
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - morning - waking - on
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - morning
SLEEP - RISE - aversion to
SLEEP - EXHAUSTING
SLEEP - BAD
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - morning - tired in morning than in evening; more

well if you are depressed, who has the energy??? Have you tried to tackle the depression first rather than the lack of sleep???

Best Wishes

Domenic

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "rochelle Marsden" wrote:

Yes – from Synthesis - The first in that list was SLEEP – Unrefreshing - Prolonged – (NuxV) and Nux was the only remedy in that rubric
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM

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From: Rochelle Marsden >
Reply-To: >
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:45:14 +0100
To: >
Subject: FW: [Minutus] sleep
Hi Donna ,
I put the second two in my rep this morning when she was with me and also Sleep; unrefreshing; sound, although: (15) carl, conch, gink, granit-m, MAG-C, ost, pic-ac, pter-a, rad-br, sal-ac, sarr, SOL-M, stel, wies, zinc,

I can’t find your first rubric. Is it from Synthesis ? If so can you tell me the Rx in it.
Thanks
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D C Rona
Perhaps consider

SLEEP – Unrefreshing - Prolonged – (NuxV)

SLEEP – Deep – unrefreshing

EXPRESSIONS – Sleep – Rise – desire to remain in bed
There seem to be a vast number of SLEEP - unrefreshing subrubrics – so perhaps you can find something that fits her descriptions of feelings, timing, etc.
Donna
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM

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From: Rochelle Marsden >
Reply-To: >
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:10:18 +0100
To: >
Subject: [Minutus] sleep
I have a patient who all she wants to do is sleep . She sleeps 10 hours and is still tired in the morning. I am looking for a rubric like sleep – must or sleep- needs. Has had every test under the sun and this has been going on for 15 years since post natal depression. Never been right since. I haven’t seen her since 2005 and it is same old story. Nothing helped much and she is very sensitive to remedies .
Thanks

Rochelle

Since it is 7 years since I saw her last I really haven’t a clue what her diet is like but I will find out. Thanks for the suggestion. I would doubt she exercises except doing her housework which she is very fastidious about!! She is not overweight. She may have tried detoxing in the past , not sure . I’m afraid I am not a nutritionist so have no idea what a standard detox involves.
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Secret Pal
I use to feel that all the time b/c I was hypothryoid. But since you said she has done every test under the sun, I am assuming that she does not have it. I am wondering. Has she gone through a detox yet?: Does she exercise? How is her lifestyle and diet? After I started a standard process detox and starting running, I was able to run on less sleep (6 hours, which I could never do before).
I am not a doctor, but this is what I know to have worked for me. I hope you find a solution to her health. =) God Bless

--- On Mon, 9/12/11, rochelle Marsden > wrote:
From: rochelle Marsden >
Subject: [Minutus] sleep
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 7:10 AM
I have a patient who all she wants to do is sleep . She sleeps 10 hours and is still tired in the morning. I am looking for a rubric like sleep – must or sleep- needs. Has had every test under the sun and this has been going on for 15 years since post natal depression. Never been right since. I haven’t seen her since 2005 and it is same old story. Nothing helped much and she is very sensitive to remedies .
Thanks

Rochelle

Thanks Dominic for all those rubrics!!! Am pretty sure she has not got mono or is comatose J
However you have found just the Rubric I was looking for

Sleep – need of sleep – great
It has different Rx in the Complete and Murphy’s. Interestingly it has Staph in which was the one I thought of before she walked in. In Murphy only I find Phos which is the remedy she had a lot in various potencies from 2003- 2005 and did her most good although it didn’t hold.
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of domenicstanghini
HI Rochelle

try these rubrics

GENERALS - CHRONIC FATIGUE Syndrome
GENERALS - COLLAPSE
GENERALS - WEARINESS
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - exertion - agg. - slight exertion
GENERALS - WEAKNESS
GENERALS - MONONUCLEOSIS - chronic
MIND - PROSTRATION of mind
MIND - ENNUI
MIND - DULLNESS
GENERALS - LASSITUDE
GENERALS - HEAVINESS
GENERALS - HEAVINESS - Externally
GENERALS - LIE DOWN - desire to
GENERALS - SLUGGISHNESS of the body
SLEEP - PROLONGED
SLEEP - WAKING - late; too
SLEEP - NEED OF SLEEP - great
SLEEP - FALLING ASLEEP - early
SLEEP - COMATOSE - continued
SLEEP - COMATOSE
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - prolonged sleep
SLEEP - PROLONGED
SLEEP - WAKING - late; too
SLEEP - NEED OF SLEEP - great
SLEEP - FALLING ASLEEP - early
SLEEP - COMATOSE - continued
SLEEP - COMATOSE
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - prolonged sleep
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - waking - after - agg.
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - morning - waking - on
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS - morning
SLEEP - RISE - aversion to
SLEEP - EXHAUSTING
SLEEP - BAD
SLEEP - UNREFRESHING - morning - tired in morning than in evening; more

well if you are depressed, who has the energy??? Have you tried to tackle the depression first rather than the lack of sleep???

Best Wishes

Domenic

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , "rochelle Marsden" > wrote:

Thanks Donna for those suggestions. Much appreciated
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D C Rona
Perhaps try focusing on DESIRE and MIND rubrics that have to do with bed or sleep

Also if 'exhaustion' of mind is not producing good rubrics(remedies) try searching with the words 'prostration' and 'lassitude'
D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM

www.NaturopathOnTheWeb.com

www.DrRonaLikesJuicePlus.com

rona@consultant.com
From: Rochelle Marsden >
Reply-To: >
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:37:23 +0100
To: >
Subject: FW: [Minutus] sleep
Funnily enough I thought of this one mainly because I thought her husband ruled her because she says that the doctors want her on anti-depressants and he says that he won’t support her if she went on them. She was given Prozac many years ago and ended up in hospital when she withdrew from them. However on detailed questioning this morning I think it is just this one thing that he is adamant about.
Interestingly her worry and anxiety goes away when she is on holiday BUT the tiredness and need to sleep all the time is still there. She is desperate to get better and she wants a job as she feels guilty not having one and says she needs one for her own self esteem. She has spent years doing voluntary work in a school yet when I job came up she did not get it. Recently she was given an interview somewhere but didn’t go in the end because of the anxiety she had about it.
Main Sx :-

Unrefreshing sleep

Fastidiousness about the housework- tidiness and cleanliness . This could be a guilt because she has nothing else to do, however she is > occupation

Anxiety about money - causeless because not in debt but she thinks she should be contributing to household money

An exhaustion which she says is mental not physical , but what about the need for sleep?

Worries about everything

Fibroids – suppressed with the Merina coil . This is new since I saw her in 2005 – said she had heavy menses and a scan picked this up

Comes over as very nervous in speech but is quite loquacious

Sensitive to remedies. – she has to have water potencies or she gets aggs.
I gave her Ignatia which she has never had from me before. In the past Phos seemed to work the best but didn’t hold. Sepia didn’t do much and the last Rx I gave her Carc – she got worse on. Have also given her Spectrum which made her a bit better for 2 weeks but that was it! She was given Ars by a previous homeopath which did nothing and made her worse.
Overall I want to find a rubric for the need for sleep and the fact that it doesn’t help!!!
Thanks
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vasavan v
Have you tried Staphisagria? Causative factor of depression during pregnancy time, normal or cesarian etc. will get some hint - hope so
________________________________

From: rochelle Marsden >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 12 September 2011 4:10 AM
Subject: [Minutus] sleep
I have a patient who all she wants to do is sleep . She sleeps 10 hours and is still tired in the morning. I am looking for a rubric like sleep – must or sleep- needs. Has had every test under the sun and this has been going on for 15 years since post natal depression. Never been right since. I haven’t seen her since 2005 and it is same old story. Nothing helped much and she is very sensitive to remedies .
Thanks

Rochelle

when one goes through a tramatic situation as she has (i am assuming), it really takes a toll on your body -- especially one who is going through depression. You either eat nothing or you eat everything that's not good for you. When I was going through my depression, I ate nothing and when I did eat, I ate hersey kisses. So I lacked a lot of nutrition and became anemic due to no nutrition at all. I would probably suspect this lady to be going through the same thing. Nutrition is very important and could make your body out of whack. Nothing starts to work properly and your hormones go crazy.

I sure hope you find a solution to this. I am wondering if it would hurt to try and contact this lady just to check in on her to see how she is doing if you are concerned about her. But that would probably be crossing the doctor-patient relationship.

--- On Mon, 9/12/11, rochelle Marsden wrote:
I use to feel that all the time b/c I was hypothryoid. But since you said she has done every test under the sun, I am assuming that she does not have it. I am wondering. Has she gone through a detox yet?: Does she exercise? How is her lifestyle and diet? After I started a standard process detox and starting running, I was able to run on less sleep (6 hours, which I could never do before).
I am not a doctor, but this is what I know to have worked for me. I hope you find a solution to her health. =) God Bless

--- On Mon, 9/12/11, rochelle Marsden wrote:
From: rochelle Marsden
Subject: [Minutus] sleep
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 7:10 AM
I have a patient who all she wants to do is sleep . She sleeps 10 hours and is still tired in the morning. I am looking for a rubric like sleep – must or sleep- needs. Has had every test under the sun and this has been going on for 15 years since post natal depression. Never been right since. I haven’t seen her since 2005 and it is same old story. Nothing helped much and she is very sensitive to remedies .
Thanks

Rochelle

Hi all.
Seriously- you'd be amazed how drowsy APIS is, especially when you find ovaries, jetlag, kidneys or heart concomittants or association.

Also, think about adrenal exhaustion as an aetiological or maintaining cause.
DISCLAIMER to Classical readers: of course one has to look at the classical approach of taking the constitutional, mental, emotional, factors and family history, personal history, etc. One would never presume to simply apply a remedy without all that. Even tho of course there is nothing wrong with looking at a little materia medica while you are doing all those hours of case-taking.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Director | Tels: +254 (0)733-895466 / +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Hi Rochelle
Could there be anything in her miasmatic background that's preventing remedies from holding?
Kind regards
Sue

I have put her notes away now but am pretty sure I did try a nosode with her once to see if that helped. She has had Carc which made her worse.
Rochelle Marsden Msc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sue
Hi Rochelle
Could there be anything in her miasmatic background that's preventing remedies from holding?
Kind regards
Sue