Minutus

I was a veggie for 15 years - and then got an overwhelming desire for meat - since then, I've never looked back. Got more energy - felt better all round (I am blood type 'O' for what that's worth).
Liz
You got it right, Shannon, it is more the quality of meat that is important, how it has been raised, grain fed or grass fed as free range, hormones, antibiotics or nothing, and also its balance with veggies, fruits, a.s.o....
Anecdotally, many years ago I decided to try becoming a vegetarian......it was kind of OK, although I felt something was not entirely correct but could not point out what. Then at a barbecue (with lots of grilled veggies) someone put a juicy steak in front of me, I could not resist.........immediately I felt "grounded", as if I had been "sitting on a cloud" during the vegetarian period........
Interesting experience............
Joe.
 
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Well I happen to think that the safest diet is that of the 'hunter-gatherer'! And as for carcinogenic burnt flesh - well, I would expect the gauchos of Argentina to be riddled with cancer, because their diet consists largely of meat, as it's cheap and plentiful - and barbecued at that! Yet I don't hear accounts of them dying from cancer. Perhaps it's the fact that they eat grass-fed meat.
Like a lot of 'dietary advice', you cannot look at something in isolation and say it is good or bad for you. It has to be taken in context - and it has to be remembered that everyone is different. One man's meat is another's poison! But also, one man's poison is another man's meat! One thing for sure - we were designed to eat meat - that is obvious from our teeth - we don't have the teeth of herbivores - we are omnivorous.
And replacing meat with grains, for example, is not ideal. Over-indulgence in cereals, as in our Western diet, can also lead to diabetes. So it's not so much that meat is the problem, it's over-indulgence in certain things to the exclusion of others. Better to eat everything, but in moderation. And eating meat as part of a balanced diet, with plenty of vegetables and fruit, will speed up the transit time in the intestines, reducing the toxins which might otherwise build up.
Nothing wrong with meat!
Liz

Well, to the contrary, I was a meat eater growing up and during my first pregnancy lost my desire for meat and
began to crave whole grains. For years I was a pretty staunch vegetarian but began to eat a bit of chicken in
order to be social--it became the compromise between big red meat eaters and a vegetarian. Meat made me
feel heavy and left me plugged up.
I sometimes need more protein than others but have never eaten red meat in over 40 yrs. According to the
body typing that Joseph Mercola uses, I am a mixed type.
So that is the individual variations that we have. However, that still doesn't negate the concerns for excess meat
eating and its impact on the human body.
tanya
You got it right, Shannon, it is more the quality of meat that is important, how it has been raised, grain fed or grass fed as free range, hormones, antibiotics or nothing, and also its balance with veggies, fruits, a.s.o....
Anecdotally, many years ago I decided to try becoming a vegetarian......it was kind of OK, although I felt something was not entirely correct but could not point out what. Then at a barbecue (with lots of grilled veggies) someone put a juicy steak in front of me, I could not resist.........immediately I felt "grounded", as if I had been "sitting on a cloud" during the vegetarian period........
Interesting experience............
Joe.
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"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com

We were not built to eat meat. Only 12.5% of our diet should come from meat. Of the 32 teeth we were provided by the Creator, only 4 are canines. We consume way too much animal protein and the body can't handle it. It is true that many factors are involved here but much science has been discovered in the biological alterations that occur when cooking foods, not just meats. enzymes are destroyed by cooking.

Those restorative diets utilized in sanatoriums all over the world cured people of most chronic diseases by diet. In all cancer clinics, meat is totally excluded. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

Carmi,

I'm curious whether you agree with the idea that different physiological types have different dietary requirements? And/or that the ideal diet for a given person is likely to be similar to the diet that their ancestors had eaten? (Those of us of mixed ancestry may have a harder time applying that principle; but for many people it can be quite a useful guide.)

Or do you feel that there is a single "ideal diet" that would be the best one for every human? Just curious.

Shannon

Sure I agree that it can be overdone.
Mostly I am only trying to make a couple of points:
1) That what's ideal for one person, may be quite inappropriate for another.
2) That some of us seem to have a need for some red meat in the diet. (Some more, some less...) And sure, it can be overdone. (Or underdone.)

Cheers,
Shannon

I never investigated this to any degree. I purchased 'Eat Right for your Blood Type' and frankly became bored with it within the first few chapters. There may be some credence to this when you look at the diets of various civilizations such as south sea islanders vs. Eskimos etc., but I couldn't get into it.

I am not a religious person by any means but I am convinced that my interest in the obscure history of medicine was guided by forces beyond my control or awareness until several years had passed and I had amassed my vast library of very unusual medical information. Some of the books in my collection are extremely rare. Whenever a book or research of others was named and discussed in these old texts, I would search the Internet and often find only one copy in the entire world of that referenced work. This happened with such regularity that I expected it and wasn't often disappointed. It was uncanny what I was led to obtain and subsequently read and almost always, only one copy was to be had.

When I encountered books on this particular area in medicine, I had no interest in it at all and subconsciously told myself never to read them. There may be validity that I am missing but frankly, I don't think so. I had dogs I couldn't finish but books along these lines stopped me before reaching past the introductions. Perhaps I was being told not to bother with them. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
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I'm curious whether you agree with the idea that different physiological types have different dietary requirements? And/or that the ideal diet for a given person is likely to be similar to the diet that their ancestors had eaten? (Those of us of mixed ancestry may have a harder time applying that principle; but for many people it can be quite a useful guide.)

Or do you feel that there is a single "ideal diet" that would be the best one for every human? Just curious.

Shannon

I would disagree with the statement "We are not built to eat meat."
As you say we have canine teeth which shows that we are omnivores.
For what it is worth, the Islamic (Creator's) instructions are that the maximum frequency of eating meat is once every 4 days. There is a minimum stated that it should be once every 20 days (some have said every 40) with the extra pointer that if you do not have enough money borrow to ensure that your children have the minimum amount of meat.
Of course the meat does not have to be just from sheep, goats, cattle etc, there are birds and of course fish.
Then there are the restrictions of the type of meat to have. The herbivores must chew the cud so for example pig's meat are out and it is not possible to eat all birds either. One can only eat birds that are predominantly seed eaters.
Wish you good health and a yummy meal

Soroush
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We were not built to eat meat. Only 12.5% of our diet should come from meat. Of the 32 teeth we were provided by the Creator, only 4 are canines. We consume way too much animal protein and the body can't handle it. It is true that many factors are involved here but much science has been discovered in the biological alterations that occur when cooking foods, not just meats. enzymes are destroyed by cooking.

Those restorative diets utilized in sanatoriums all over the world cured people of most chronic diseases by diet. In all cancer clinics, meat is totally excluded. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

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You raise a particular point in a parenthetic manner--heavy phyisical activity of the gauchos. The body burns
up those calories much faster than happens in the standard western lifestyle. I would imagine their metabolism
is greately revved up as it was in the cowboys of the American west that lived on the open range, relying on
what was available for food; ie, small game, fishing, on occasions beef. They did make beef jerky which I
am sure they carried with them as it was dry and light weight.
However, eating meat 3x/daily, 7 day/week is very excessive and is very common. Even with the best organic
meat that puts an overload on the body.
It is also true that many peoples of the world lived primarily on veg diets. They got their protein from the combination
of things like grain/beans/corn. And despite our need for B-12, we don't need enormous amounts of meat to get it.
And there are plant sources in small quantities.
tanya

An argentinian oncologist told me that colon cancer rates in argentina and uruguay were among the worlds highest. Dont know if it is true

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You raise a particular point in a parenthetic manner--heavy phyisical activity of the gauchos. The body burns
up those calories much faster than happens in the standard western lifestyle. I would imagine their metabolism
is greately revved up as it was in the cowboys of the American west that lived on the open range, relying on
what was available for food; ie, small game, fishing, on occasions beef. They did make beef jerky which I
am sure they carried with them as it was dry and light weight.
However, eating meat 3x/daily, 7 day/week is very excessive and is very common. Even with the best organic
meat that puts an overload on the body.
It is also true that many peoples of the world lived primarily on veg diets. They got their protein from the combination
of things like grain/beans/corn. And despite our need for B-12, we don't need enormous amounts of meat to get it.
And there are plant sources in small quantities.
tanya