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Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:10 am
by Dave Hartley
Several advanced homeopaths I am acquainted with, who are also well
acquainted with TCM have (logically, imho) suggested that homeopathic
treatment is incompatible with simultaneous TCM treatment, as both are
"energetic" / "vibrational" medicines, which are in themselves rather
complete systems, based on different healing principles.
Dave Hartley
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Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 4:46 am
by Arlene Kellman, DO
Tanya,

Regarding putting indigestible things in the mouth, could she be cutting
teeth? I don't associate this symptom with pulsatilla, but here are some
rubrics from the Complete Repertory that may apply:

MOUTH; FINGERS in the mouth, children put (K405, G343) (19) : Ip.,
calc., cham., bufo, calc-ox., calc-p., cean., kali-p., lyc., med.,
merc., nat-m., nat-s., sac-alb., sil., sulph., tarent., verat., zinc.

GENERALITIES; FOOD and drinks; indigestible things; desires (K485,
SII-250, G414) (coal, charcoal) (lime, slate pencils) (21) : Lach.,
Nit-ac., Sil., alum., aur., calc., calc-p., nux-v., tarent., abies-c.,
alumn., bell., bry., cic., con., cycl., ferr., ign., nat-m., psor., sulph.

MIND; GESTURES, makes; grasping or reaching at something; children put;
everything in the mouth (SI-557, SI-561) (4) : calc., sulph., merc.,
sac-alb.

MIND; GESTURES, makes; grasping or reaching at something; children put;
fingers in the mouth (K405, SI-557) (MOUTH; Fingers in the mouth,
children put) (EXTREMITIES; Motions; hands; automatic; mouth, toward)
(18) : Ip., calc., cham., nat-m., sil., calc-ox., calc-p., cean.,
kali-p., lyc., med., merc., nat-s., sac-alb., sulph., tarent., verat., zinc.
Good luck,
Arlene

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:42 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Arlene,

Thanks for the rubric info. i dont think the baby is teething. the behavior began after the cold/cough sx started. it actually seemed to worsen after the nat mur 6c. goddess knows why i went in so low! calc ws the next remedy i was considering. as some people have noted already, it is a liitle unusual that a baby left for the first time so long doesnt cry. my daughter was like that as an infant/toddler. it is also common that children raised in the company of many people, not just family, seem more comfortable being moved around. but this baby has never been left so long. her response to me (i have seen her 2x--once at 10 mos and now) is somewhat self-contained and confident. and calc seemed to jump at me. nux-v also poked a bit with its business and irritablity when thwarted. i noted this baby did not like being told no and would fuss. her mother would work hard to keep her calm, giving her alternative things to do. the fussing was mild, not angry.

tanya

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 3:08 pm
by Dr. R. Swift
Tanya,

I see a lot of aurum coming up. Just a thought.

be well

russell swift, dvm

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:59 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Russell,

maybe it's prejudice, but i always think of aurum as having lots of depression. no?

tanya

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:16 pm
by Dr. R. Swift
Tanya,

Aurum is generally thought of as a sad remedy but not all diseases are that
"deep", especially in an infant where the VF should be very strong.
Depression is a deep symptom resulting from a disruption of neurotransmitter
balance. What does Aurum look like in a skin or respiratory problem before
the nervous system is disturbed? Actually, Aurum is in the rubrics:
cheerful, laughing and mirth.

Aurum is a strong syphilitic remedy. The suicidal, dark, depressive stuff is
in the syphilitic phase. In a healthier psoric condition such as this
infant, I would not expect to see such syphilitic symptoms.
If this child does need Aurum and does not get it, the depression would
probably come in later, say adolescence/puberty.

Just some things to consider.

be well

russell swift, dvm

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 12:24 am
by Dave Hartley
It would be useful to think of remedies as having (more or less) 3 fuzzy but
distinguishable "stages."

The healthy, happy one with a few quirks; a few areas of body prone to
occasional problems; a discernable way in which s/he exhibits upset/anger,
etc, and so on.

The person who is generally not as healthy/happy as s/he once was, in mind
or body, but who is able to function nearly fully, though apparently slowly
losing ground to what we homeopaths see as chronic disease.

Then, the person who's habitually unhappy/maladjusted, exhibiting constant
or recurrent physical pathologies.

You can take just about any remedy, and flesh-out a remedy picture that will
fulfill broadly these three quick categories; it'd be a good excercise in
terms of understanding this idea to DO so with a few remedies.

When I was first studying MM, I did not really understand this, and so the
MM seemed to be quite full of contradictions...
Dave Hartley
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Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 1:23 am
by Tanya Marquette
Russell,

i guess it is my weakness that i dont think of aurum this way. but what about the desire to put strange things in her mouth.

just heard from the mother. she reports the baby is improving a bit now. nasal discharge stopped; just a bit congested still. cough is very minimal. baby is not putting strange things in her mouth, but she licks strange things like furniture. so the essence of the dis-ease seems to be lingering. Aur is a (2) under GENERALS, FOOD AND DRINKS, indigestible things, desires. so is Calc. Nat-mur a (1).

So, since there is improvement, I could wait. Or change the remedy. You make an interesting point about the
Aur. but along the same lines, couldnt Calc be strong possibility? There is a very contained aspect to Calc which I think is a strong part of this child.

And I think the parents were sicker than the mother reported. I cant get a real picture of their health during this period. The mother seems a bit reserved about communicating this other than to finally say that she was really out of it for 2 days and had to have her husband stay home to take care of the baby for 1 day.

tanya

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 1:24 am
by Tanya Marquette
Dave,

a good suggestion

tanya

Re: case of 18 mo old

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2002 2:53 am
by Dr. R. Swift
Tanya,

"i guess it is my weakness that i dont think of aurum this way."

That is because the syphilitic phase of aurum is what people teach.

I think of Calc. as more anxious in nature and not as you describe this
child. Any other calc things like night sweats, sourness, dairy intolerance,
egg desire/agg., slow growth/development, dentition problems, etc?

I would like to see physical generals, thermals, nature all point to one
remedy.

be well

russell swift,dvm