Pesticides/Polio

[srinivasan venkatesan]

Liz

My understanding:

When ever some one falls sick, it is a combination of 4 factors, acting together.

1. Heredity
2. Sequel of past illness and / or its treatment.
3. Environmental factors [including the infecting agents ].
4. Mind / emotions.

Acting on even any one of these factors, reduces the intensity / some times prevents disease, which explains why a partially similar remedy also gives relief. Needless to say, the emotional cause [for your children and you] is self evident, from your narration.

Glad that you recovered from a near death illness

Sri
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From: Liz Brynin
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 9:22:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Pesticides/Polio
Hi again Sheri!
Can't sleep - see what you've driven me to!!!:):)
I can understand that maybe - just maybe - polio is not caused by a specific virus, but I would still need to know that transmission had NOT occurred in the ways we have been talking about in order to actually believe that. And how can you know that? You can only go by figures given. Where the truth lies is difficult for us to find out.
What worried me was that I thought you were beginning to deny the existence of disease entities such as viruses (as there is a lot of argument about this currently). I have a personal reason to know that such things exist, and that an illness is not down to environmental causes:
I lived in Peru for seven years - never caught anything nasty as I observed scrupulous hygiene (never ate raw food out - never ate street food etc.) When my husband and I split up, I came back to the UK with the kids. Shortly before we left Peru (about a week) he took both kids away on holiday with him. The holiday was cut short because their host became ill with suspected - later confirmed - hepatitis A. We left Peru, came to the UK and stayed with my sister. About a week later, my 3 year-old started a fever - he was crotchety, tired and whiny but not really ill. I kept him on my lap (we were driving round looking at suitable houses for sale) and tried to get him to take in fluids (he was thirstless) In order to encourage him, I bought a can of Coke, and first I took a sip, then gave him a sip, then took one myself - so we shared the can and obviously our saliva.
The next day he peeed dark brown urine - I knew immediately what it was, and the doctor agreed. A couple of days later, my other son (5) went down with it. Neither was very ill, but I was very careful with hygiene - separate toilets, eating utensils, plates etc. all soaked in bleach in between meals and hottest possible wash for their sheets and towels.
Approximately 2 -3 weeks later, one evening, I felt fluey. The next day, brown pee. I had a blood test eventually, which confirmed Hep A - and I had it really badly! Thought I was going to die - was in bed for weeks, as weak as a kitten - out of it altogether for several days. I was really scared and it was the closest I've ever felt to death.
Anyway, my point being that as we had moved continents, there were obviously no environmental factors at play, simply person-to-person transmission. My sister and her husband never caught it - she kept up with the hygiene measures I had instigated. The kids were bouncing around again within 3 weeks - it took me until Christmas to get back my energy (it was August when we got ill).
So based on that experience, I would never accept that there is no such thing as a virus. Susceptibility is necessary - yes - but if you go down with something like Hep A there has to be a virus somewhere. It's not common in the UK except in travellers, so our experience is typical. The kids obviously picked it up in Peru and then passed it to me in the UK.
Liz

[Liz Brynin]

Thank you Sri! I am in complete agreement with you - obviously, as a homeopath.
My point to Sheri was that I feel personally that there are indeed such things as viruses, which are capable of influencing you and causing disease. Had I had the unhappy experience of my divorce in the UK, for example, I am 100% sure that neither the kids nor I would have gone down with Hepatitis A - something else, very probably, according to our susceptibilities, but not Hep A as this does not exist endemically in the UK. And I also find it interesting that we all got hep A - yet one of my sons is very different constitutionally from me or his brother.
Liz
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[srinivasan venkatesan]

Liz
I agree with what you wrote and let me add.
study of literature / interaction / personal observation made me understand that if a susceptible host is exposed to 'malarial' environment, he/she comes down with Malaria, and not "Rheumatic fever" and vice versa. This is enough for me to understand the existence & role of bacteria / virus / parasites.
The incubation periods often varied with individual patients and also less or more than the range that is reported in texts.
Personal one to one interaction with pathologists, bacteriologists, virologists revealed several things - possibly truths - which is different from what is published.
Sri
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From: Liz Brynin
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 10:19:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Pesticides/Polio


Thank you Sri! I am in complete agreement with you - obviously, as a homeopath.
My point to Sheri was that I feel personally that there are indeed such things as viruses, which are capable of influencing you and causing disease. Had I had the unhappy experience of my divorce in the UK, for example, I am 100% sure that neither the kids nor I would have gone down with Hepatitis A - something else, very probably, according to our susceptibilities, but not Hep A as this does not exist endemically in the UK. And I also find it interesting that we all got hep A - yet one of my sons is very different constitutionally from me or his brother.
Liz
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[Joy Lucas]

People do not 'catch' a disease - but their susceptibility is excited in some way.

Perhaps there is a need to go over specific Organon § again.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Tanya Marquette]

Shannon,
I think much of the problem here is that people have bought into the mythology. I, and I am sure others, run into this all the time.
Yes, people will say, we believe in holisitic healing, or we believe in the issue of susceptibility. But please give me a something
for this condition--now!
Even homeopaths who base their practice on the theory of susceptibility, fall into the fear mongering around vaccines and germs theory.
It is the chicken and the egg argument--which came first. Homeopathy is based on the answer to that: susceptibility needs to be there.
Having said that, let me add that susceptibility can be altered. The immune system has its limits, even with individual differences.
Thus, cancers abounded in Love Canal (remember that fiasco?). But not everyone got cancer and not everyone got the same cancer
or the same consequences of the cancers. Same with asbestosis in miners. Or even the common cold.
Emotionality has much to do with the state of susceptibility and even a momentary trauma can send the immune system over the edge
and voila, a cold 'hits' you.
Remember a few years ago they found a 'bug' in stomach ulcers so then claimed a cause. Wow! A great point of celebration --for Big
Pharma. Now they would develop a new drug with new profits to be made. But why not understand the causative conditions that allowed
that bug to thrive.
We have dozens of examples to look at but the bottom line is that people, even in homeopathy, still hold the mythology about germ
contagion holy. Pasteur, if you recall, recanted the germ theory on his death bed, daying it was all the terrain.
tanya

[Shannon Nelson]

So you are saying that nothing is ever contagious, and no microbes ever cause disease, or am I missing your point?

[Liz Brynin]

What you say is very interesting, Sri.
With regard to polio, I know that in Kenya (where I grew up in the 50s) it was rife - so much so that all the white kids were vaccinated and had boosters - then they brought out the Sabin oral vaccine and we were used as guinea pigs before it was released in Britain - something my father was furious about when he discovered it. I remeber one young man in an iron lung - he was often at the drive-in cinema where we used to go at weekends - poor thing.
Of course, Sheri's hypothesis that it is caused by DDT could possibly be true - I'm sure they used DDT at that time in East Africa to control the anopheles mosquito's breeding grounds. But ith other vruses, I'm sure there is a disease causing agent which can be transmitted from person to person.
Liz
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[Liz Brynin]

Yeah - right! Try saying that to the man on the street! There is nothing wrong with using everyday expressions when you are narrating a story. I wasn't giving a homeopathic lecture - lighten up.
Liz

[Liz Brynin]

Fine up to a point. But how do you answer my own experience with Hep A?
Liz

[Tanya Marquette]

What I am saying is that there must be susceptibility for disease to occur. I am believing that
a particular germ may/will be involved with a particular set of symptoms, but that susceptibility
must be there first.
I also believe that you can create high levels of susceptibility, just as you can create health =
low levels of susceptibility. Everyone in an area will not get the flu or measles or even malaria.
Homeopathy says that susceptibility is the key factor. Poverty creates susceptibility with poor
and inadequate food, or rotten living conditions, or poor sanitation. In such a situation you will
have a public health problem. Disease is often irradicated with clean water or better sewage.
This is turn lowers the level of assault on the vital force of the entire community and susceptibility
decreases; ie, better health and no more disease.
I know this is simplicistically stated, but it serves for this discussion
tanya