Minutus

I had a look in my French textbooks. They claim that the miasm or what they call "diathese" was individualised at the beginning of the 19th century by Nebel in Switzerland and Vannier in France.
They named it Tuberculinism apparently because of the high incidence of tuberculosis and the correlation of the M/E symptoms (and others) many tubercular patients presented with the ones described in pseudo-psora....see Mozart, La Dame aux Camelias, romanticism, etc,.....
I do have Vannier's books but that would take too long to go through them, a few thousand pages and no good indexes or tables of contents.......
FWIW................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Thanks Dr. Roz,
You have done a magnificent job of making this ever more complex! So now we have an ocean and several decades separating Allen and his Psuedo-Psora and Nebel/Vannier. I wonder of they would have had easier access to Hahnemanns later work and so tried to pick up where he left off. So now this conversation takes a turn. Did any of these 3 have contact with one another? And further were their ideas even in the same vein? Meaning that if Nebel and Vannier were working towards a temperament/diathesis/constitutional essence or picture of tuberculinism, is that the same as what Allen was working on?
Or maybe we just let it be?

Peace and prosperity, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote:

Honestly I do not know.
The French school, as far as I know, has had an independent development from the Anglo-Saxon one, probably because of a certain reluctance to learn English, although the opposite was not completely true, as Crompton-Burnett cites a lot of French authors in his writings. OTOH Belgian authors like Hodiamont seem to have read most if not all of the English/American literature.
They then split into the different schools of Unicists, Pluralists and Complexists with the only constant being that the homeopaths were medical doctors, and most of them still are.
I think Edouard Broussalian is on this list, maybe he can shed some clarity............ Par pitie, Edouard, dis quelque chose......... )
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.

As Soroush pointed out earlier, the Hahnemanian concept of Miasm can be understood from Ardavan's writings on Chronic disease at minutus.org library.

Dyscrasias, diatheses and syndromes do not point to the hidden dynamic disease , the "what is to be cured" in the patient.Once we understand "what is to be cured" then we can very easily treat miasmatic diseases, whatever the name given .

regards

Suriya

-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote:

What about he work of Robert Fludd

"In 1638, Robert Fludd, a professor of anatomy, advised, in a treatise, the following : Sputum rejectum a pulmonico post debitam præparationem curat phthisin (Sputum rejected from the lungs, after its proper preparation, cures phthisis)."

This is about the medicine process again but it is all relative - he might also have written about it in terms of miasm.

Joy
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Robert Fludd Paracelsan physician. I wonder what he means by proper preparation?

More about this man here

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/fludd1.html

Suriya

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:

I believe the word “diathesis” (not in common English usage AFAIK today) comes up over and over in the translations of the Organon. Does it have other meanings or was that always “miasm” and if so, why didn’t the translators use “miasm”?

Teresa (Northern VA)

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I had a look in my French textbooks. They claim that the miasm or what they call "diathese" was individualised at the beginning of the 19th century by Nebel in Switzerland and Vannier in France.

They named it Tuberculinism apparently because of the high incidence of tuberculosis and the correlation of the M/E symptoms (and others) many tubercular patients presented with the ones described in pseudo-psora....see Mozart, La Dame aux Camelias, romanticism, etc,.....
I do have Vannier's books but that would take too long to go through them, a few thousand pages and no good indexes or tables of contents.......
FWIW................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.

Hello Suriya,
I am a bit perplexed by your post. The discussion has nothing to do with the concept of Hahnemanns miasmatic model. The post is specifically trying to ascertain the intellectual/chronological evoloution of what we now consider and take for granted as the Tubercular miasm. As in, who developed our thoughts on the specific tubercular miasma? When did it happen? What research formed along the way and where is the discourse with regards to something that we use everyday? Hahnemann uses his writings to outline the other miasms very well. Yet we use today, in case analysis and by classifying both sx's and our MM, this tubercular miasmatic idea with very little, if any historical references. This is what the thread is trying to discern.

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "suriya56" wrote:

Hello Joy,
I will look into Fludd to see if he perhaps influenced any of those prescribers previously mentioned, with regards to this miasm we are seemingly all taking for granted historically.

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:

Considered to be reasonably mad and mystic but it was the 17th C england and that has to be taken into consideration. If you can wade your way through his mosaic philosophy then good for you. To do what he did he must have had an inkling of what was to follow, maybe, who knows - he's way out of my comfort zone but you might have settled on an fascinating research project.

Joy

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