On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:37 AM,
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Many thanks - Online version has no page numbers - what section has
pages 19-22 please?
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Recommended Reading
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Re: Recommended Reading
Once more for Irene who does not seem to see my msgs!
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Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
OK - Here is the part that was specially recommended:
http://www.homeoint.org/books4/close/chapter02.htm
Homœopathy an Experimental Science - Like chemistry or physics, homœopathy is established under the principles of the inductive method in science. Considered as a science, it consists of two series of phenomena, independently observed, collected and studied, connected by an underlying law or principle of nature. Its elements are: 1, The phenomena of disease; 2, the phenomena produced by drugs when administered to healthy persons; and 3, the general law of mutual action, otherwise known as Newton's Third Law of Motion and as the Law of Similars, which connects the two series of phenomena. The phenomena of disease constitute its pathology, the experimentally derived phenomena of drugs, its materia medica and the application of its materia medica under the law its therapeutics.
Experimentally, in the construction of homœopathic materia medica, medicines were administered singly, in various doses, to healthy human beings for the purpose of eliciting, observing, recording and comparing their effects. Comparison shows that the symptoms thus produced by drugs are similar to the symptoms of disease. Any symptom or group of symptoms of disease may be duplicated from the materia medica record of drug symptoms.
Experimentally also it has been proven that under certain conditions, to be stated hereafter, medicines cure diseases by virtue of their similarity of symptoms; that is, medicines cure, or remove in the sick, symptoms similar to those which they have the power of producing in the healthy. From this fact of experience was deduced the law of cure and medication, known as the "law of similars," which is found on examination to be a statement in other words of the general Law of Mutual Action,. variously termed the law of equivalence, the law of action and reaction, the law of balance or equilibrium, the law of polarity, the law of compensation and Newton's third law of motion.
Homœopathy an Art. - Homœopathy works in perfect harmony with all necessary rational, non-medicinal and mechanical, therapeutic agents. Surgery, obstetrics, hygiene, dietetics, sanitary science, chemistry (so far as it is applied in the preparation of medicines and in ejecting and antidoting poisons) and psycho-therapy all find in homœopathy their congenial and most powerful ally.
Homœopathy is opposed in its constitution and principles to all forms of treatment by direct or physiological medication, and to physio-chemical treatment or treatment based upon chemical theories.
Homœopathy is opposed to the use; under ordinary conditions, of drugs in physiological doses for mere palliative purposes, since its primary object is always the cure or obliteration of disease and complete restoration of health.
Homœopathy is opposed to the methods of vaccine and serum therapy, although it is claimed by many that these methods are based upon the homœopathic principle. It grants that this may be true so far as the underlying principle is concerned, but opposes the method of applying the principle as being a violation of sound, natural principles of medication and productive of serious injury to the living organism.
It has been proven experimentally and clinically that such methods are unnecessary, and that the results claimed by their advocates can be attained more safely, more rapidly and more thoroughly by the administration of the homœopathically indicated medicines in sub-physiological doses, through the natural channels of the body, than by introducing it forcibly by means of the :hypodermic needle or in any other way.
Homœopathy is opposed to so-called "pathological prescribing" and to "group treatment" of diseases, by which individual peculiarities are ignored and patients are grouped or classed according to their gross, pathological organic lesions and treated alike. Homœopathy deals with the individual, not the class. It treats the patient, not a fictitious entity called the disease. Its prescription or selection of medicines is based solely upon individual similarity of symptoms, drug symptoms to disease symptoms, determined by actual comparison in each case.
Homœopathy is opposed to all forms of external, local or topical drug treatment of the external, secondary symptoms of disease, except in surgical cases. It directs its curative agents through the natural channels of the body to the physiological centres of vital action and reaction, which govern all functional activities in the living organism in disease as well as in health.
Homœopathy is opposed to polypharmacy. It depends for all its results upon the dynamical action of single, pure, potentizated medicines, prepared by a special mathematico-mechanical process and administered in minimum doses.
In practice, homœopathy bases the selection of the curative remedy upon the totality of the symptoms of the individual patient,. including a consideration of the ascertainable causes of the disease. For the homœopathic prescriber this constitutes the disease. Speculation as to the inner, essential nature or working of the drug or the disease does not enter into the process of selecting the remedy. The prescription is not based upon the pathological diagnosis, or the name of the disease, but solely upon the likeness of the symptoms of the patient to the symptoms of some tested drug, determined by actual comparison.
As the experimental work in constructing the homœopathic materia medica has been conducted with single medicines, and as each medicine has its own definite and peculiar kind and sphere of action, scientific accuracy, as well as the law of similars, requires that the treatment of patients be conducted in the same manner. Medicines, are never mixed or compounded in homœopathic practice but are given singly.
It has been proven experimentally that the sick organism is peculiarly and even painfully sensitive to the action of the single, similar medicine, and that curative effects are only obtained by sub-physiological doses. Physiological doses, instead of removing the symptoms of the disease, produce by their direct pathogenetic action the characteristic symptom of the drug. If the drug be not a similar the condition of the patient is complicated by the addition of symptoms having no relation to the disease and no cure results. If the drug be a similar the violent reaction of the organism to the unnecessarily large dose increases suffering, exhausts the patient and prolongs his disease, even if the eventually recovers.
These facts led, first, to the progressive reduction of the size of the dose to the smallest effectual curative quantity, and eventually to the discovery and formulation of the law of potentiation and the infinitesimal dose which is one of the corollaries of the law of similars and a fundamental principle of homœopathy.
The working principles of homœopathy, therefore, may be briefly stated as follows:
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Sent: 07 July 2009 13:38
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
I have read it before along with HA Roberts, Kent Philosophy etc.- let us say - 25 years back-
It is an ok kind of book-
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , wrote:
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Sent: 07 July 2009 14:39
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
OK - Here is the part that was specially recommended:
http://www.homeoint.org/books4/close/chapter02.htm
Homœopathy an Experimental Science - Like chemistry or physics, homœopathy is established under the principles of the inductive method in science. Considered as a science, it consists of two series of phenomena, independently observed, collected and studied, connected by an underlying law or principle of nature. Its elements are: 1, The phenomena of disease; 2, the phenomena produced by drugs when administered to healthy persons; and 3, the general law of mutual action, otherwise known as Newton's Third Law of Motion and as the Law of Similars, which connects the two series of phenomena. The phenomena of disease constitute its pathology, the experimentally derived phenomena of drugs, its materia medica and the application of its materia medica under the law its therapeutics.
Experimentally, in the construction of homœopathic materia medica, medicines were administered singly, in various doses, to healthy human beings for the purpose of eliciting, observing, recording and comparing their effects. Comparison shows that the symptoms thus produced by drugs are similar to the symptoms of disease. Any symptom or group of symptoms of disease may be duplicated from the materia medica record of drug symptoms.
Experimentally also it has been proven that under certain conditions, to be stated hereafter, medicines cure diseases by virtue of their similarity of symptoms; that is, medicines cure, or remove in the sick, symptoms similar to those which they have the power of producing in the healthy. From this fact of experience was deduced the law of cure and medication, known as the "law of similars," which is found on examination to be a statement in other words of the general Law of Mutual Action,. variously termed the law of equivalence, the law of action and reaction, the law of balance or equilibrium, the law of polarity, the law of compensation and Newton's third law of motion.
Homœopathy an Art. - Homœopathy works in perfect harmony with all necessary rational, non-medicinal and mechanical, therapeutic agents. Surgery, obstetrics, hygiene, dietetics, sanitary science, chemistry (so far as it is applied in the preparation of medicines and in ejecting and antidoting poisons) and psycho-therapy all find in homœopathy their congenial and most powerful ally.
Homœopathy is opposed in its constitution and principles to all forms of treatment by direct or physiological medication, and to physio-chemical treatment or treatment based upon chemical theories.
Homœopathy is opposed to the use; under ordinary conditions, of drugs in physiological doses for mere palliative purposes, since its primary object is always the cure or obliteration of disease and complete restoration of health.
Homœopathy is opposed to the methods of vaccine and serum therapy, although it is claimed by many that these methods are based upon the homœopathic principle. It grants that this may be true so far as the underlying principle is concerned, but opposes the method of applying the principle as being a violation of sound, natural principles of medication and productive of serious injury to the living organism.
It has been proven experimentally and clinically that such methods are unnecessary, and that the results claimed by their advocates can be attained more safely, more rapidly and more thoroughly by the administration of the homœopathically indicated medicines in sub-physiological doses, through the natural channels of the body, than by introducing it forcibly by means of the :hypodermic needle or in any other way.
Homœopathy is opposed to so-called "pathological prescribing" and to "group treatment" of diseases, by which individual peculiarities are ignored and patients are grouped or classed according to their gross, pathological organic lesions and treated alike. Homœopathy deals with the individual, not the class. It treats the patient, not a fictitious entity called the disease. Its prescription or selection of medicines is based solely upon individual similarity of symptoms, drug symptoms to disease symptoms, determined by actual comparison in each case.
Homœopathy is opposed to all forms of external, local or topical drug treatment of the external, secondary symptoms of disease, except in surgical cases. It directs its curative agents through the natural channels of the body to the physiological centres of vital action and reaction, which govern all functional activities in the living organism in disease as well as in health.
Homœopathy is opposed to polypharmacy. It depends for all its results upon the dynamical action of single, pure, potentizated medicines, prepared by a special mathematico-mechanical process and administered in minimum doses.
In practice, homœopathy bases the selection of the curative remedy upon the totality of the symptoms of the individual patient,. including a consideration of the ascertainable causes of the disease. For the homœopathic prescriber this constitutes the disease. Speculation as to the inner, essential nature or working of the drug or the disease does not enter into the process of selecting the remedy. The prescription is not based upon the pathological diagnosis, or the name of the disease, but solely upon the likeness of the symptoms of the patient to the symptoms of some tested drug, determined by actual comparison.
As the experimental work in constructing the homœopathic materia medica has been conducted with single medicines, and as each medicine has its own definite and peculiar kind and sphere of action, scientific accuracy, as well as the law of similars, requires that the treatment of patients be conducted in the same manner. Medicines, are never mixed or compounded in homœopathic practice but are given singly.
It has been proven experimentally that the sick organism is peculiarly and even painfully sensitive to the action of the single, similar medicine, and that curative effects are only obtained by sub-physiological doses. Physiological doses, instead of removing the symptoms of the disease, produce by their direct pathogenetic action the characteristic symptom of the drug. If the drug be not a similar the condition of the patient is complicated by the addition of symptoms having no relation to the disease and no cure results. If the drug be a similar the violent reaction of the organism to the unnecessarily large dose increases suffering, exhausts the patient and prolongs his disease, even if the eventually recovers.
These facts led, first, to the progressive reduction of the size of the dose to the smallest effectual curative quantity, and eventually to the discovery and formulation of the law of potentiation and the infinitesimal dose which is one of the corollaries of the law of similars and a fundamental principle of homœopathy.
The working principles of homœopathy, therefore, may be briefly stated as follows:
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Sent: 07 July 2009 13:38
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
I have read it before along with HA Roberts, Kent Philosophy etc.- let us say - 25 years back-
It is an ok kind of book-
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , wrote:
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Re: Recommended Reading
I do, but not necessarily as soon as you would like:-)
I read (and answer) in the order messages arrive so as to maintain
context, and we are in different time zones:-)
Thank you for sending it again.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I read (and answer) in the order messages arrive so as to maintain
context, and we are in different time zones:-)
Thank you for sending it again.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Recommended Reading
The earlier msg was sent this afternoon!
If you are in SA, then there is only an hour so time difference!
Rgds
Soroush
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers
Sent: 07 July 2009 23:37
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
I do, but not necessarily as soon as you would like:-)
I read (and answer) in the order messages arrive so as to maintain
context, and we are in different time zones:-)
Thank you for sending it again.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
If you are in SA, then there is only an hour so time difference!
Rgds
Soroush
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers
Sent: 07 July 2009 23:37
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
I do, but not necessarily as soon as you would like:-)
I read (and answer) in the order messages arrive so as to maintain
context, and we are in different time zones:-)
Thank you for sending it again.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: Recommended Reading
On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:44 PM,
wrote:
Dear Soroush,
This really makes it look like you want me to be on top of all emails
all day long!
I can not do that (no matter where I live).
There are also potentially delays by Yahoo, ISPs or other routing
mechanisms. Emails thus often come delay and/or out of order. Please
consider this technical issue, which none of us controls.
(I find it helps to give people at least a day to answer before
assuming they did not get my email.)
Where I live - my full address - is on *all* my emails
(PST is 8 hrs behind GMT)
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220, USA.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
wrote:
Dear Soroush,
This really makes it look like you want me to be on top of all emails
all day long!
I can not do that (no matter where I live).
There are also potentially delays by Yahoo, ISPs or other routing
mechanisms. Emails thus often come delay and/or out of order. Please
consider this technical issue, which none of us controls.
(I find it helps to give people at least a day to answer before
assuming they did not get my email.)
Where I live - my full address - is on *all* my emails
(PST is 8 hrs behind GMT)
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220, USA.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Liz Brynin
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Re: Recommended Reading
If the minimum dose is so important - sub-physiological as it's written here - why did everyone come down so hard on Irene when she opined that the minimum dose was equally important to the Law of Similars?
Liz
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John Harvey
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Hi, Liz --
The quoted chapter, and the part at its end that you're referring to, happens to be one man's take on the most important of the instructions Hahnemann gave. What Irene and several others have repeatedly confused -- and it's this very confusion that gave rise to the "fundamentalist" accusation against those who don't confuse them -- are
(a) what minimum requirements there are of a medical practice in order that it be homoeopathic, and
(b) how Hahnemann exhorted the homoeopath to do it in order to practise it best.
These are two very different things, and until one clearly perceives the difference between them, one will remain bewildered as to what those who do perceive it are on about.
The minimum dose (no. 4 at the bottom of the chapter you quoted) falls firmly under (b), just as does study of miasms and selection of potency, for the very simple reason that without them one may still practise homoeopathy (Similia similibus curentur). This is something that cannot be done, despite Irene's contentions, without nos. 1, 2, and 3:
(1) totality of patient symptoms (not one symptom, not a disease name, not a set of symptoms as well as a distinct set of non-pathological characteristics -- and certainly not no symptoms at all but a vague threat of a disease);
(2) proved single remedy (not unproved multivalent vaccine, not complexes, not compounds, and not two or more remedies at once); and
(3) guidance by symptom similarity (rather than guidance by other kinds of similarity, by disease names, by alternative "principles" to be found anywhere in the Organon, or by an idealised modern "understanding" of science).
Minimum dose is certainly a good thing, just as miasmatic understanding is a good thing and knowledge of previous treatments is a good thing. But it remains inessential to the practice of homoeopathy. All are great refinements of practice, and important ones; but one can be practising homoeopathy without them. As homoeopathy is defined wholly by its guidance by symptom similarity (which depends upon symptom totality and pathogenesis, which in turn depend upon case-taking and proving of single, simple substance), one cannot be practising homoeopathy without that guidance.
It remains fundamentally misguided to try to replace that one principle by any number of recommendations from the Organon; without it, no matter what else one may supplement one's practice with, that practice cannot be homoeopathy. And that is why we went to some lengths to clarify for Irene that there is no substitute for symptom similarity.
It is also why we go to lengths to distinguish Sankaranism and Scholtenism from homoeopathy: there is no substitute for symptom similarity. Minimal dose will not substitute; sympathetic magic will not substitute; interpolation and other guesswork will not substitute. No more will disease names, body types, or good intentions substitute. The one thing sufficient, and the one thing necessary, to make practice homoeopathic is guidance by symptom similarity between one set (not two) of patient symptoms and the pathogenesis of one (not two) single, simple substance.
Cheers --
John
2009/7/18 Liz Brynin >
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"Nothing is so fatal to the progress of the human mind as to suppose that our views of science are ultimate; that there are no mysteries in nature; that our triumphs are complete; and that there are no new worlds to conquer."
— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)
The quoted chapter, and the part at its end that you're referring to, happens to be one man's take on the most important of the instructions Hahnemann gave. What Irene and several others have repeatedly confused -- and it's this very confusion that gave rise to the "fundamentalist" accusation against those who don't confuse them -- are
(a) what minimum requirements there are of a medical practice in order that it be homoeopathic, and
(b) how Hahnemann exhorted the homoeopath to do it in order to practise it best.
These are two very different things, and until one clearly perceives the difference between them, one will remain bewildered as to what those who do perceive it are on about.
The minimum dose (no. 4 at the bottom of the chapter you quoted) falls firmly under (b), just as does study of miasms and selection of potency, for the very simple reason that without them one may still practise homoeopathy (Similia similibus curentur). This is something that cannot be done, despite Irene's contentions, without nos. 1, 2, and 3:
(1) totality of patient symptoms (not one symptom, not a disease name, not a set of symptoms as well as a distinct set of non-pathological characteristics -- and certainly not no symptoms at all but a vague threat of a disease);
(2) proved single remedy (not unproved multivalent vaccine, not complexes, not compounds, and not two or more remedies at once); and
(3) guidance by symptom similarity (rather than guidance by other kinds of similarity, by disease names, by alternative "principles" to be found anywhere in the Organon, or by an idealised modern "understanding" of science).
Minimum dose is certainly a good thing, just as miasmatic understanding is a good thing and knowledge of previous treatments is a good thing. But it remains inessential to the practice of homoeopathy. All are great refinements of practice, and important ones; but one can be practising homoeopathy without them. As homoeopathy is defined wholly by its guidance by symptom similarity (which depends upon symptom totality and pathogenesis, which in turn depend upon case-taking and proving of single, simple substance), one cannot be practising homoeopathy without that guidance.
It remains fundamentally misguided to try to replace that one principle by any number of recommendations from the Organon; without it, no matter what else one may supplement one's practice with, that practice cannot be homoeopathy. And that is why we went to some lengths to clarify for Irene that there is no substitute for symptom similarity.
It is also why we go to lengths to distinguish Sankaranism and Scholtenism from homoeopathy: there is no substitute for symptom similarity. Minimal dose will not substitute; sympathetic magic will not substitute; interpolation and other guesswork will not substitute. No more will disease names, body types, or good intentions substitute. The one thing sufficient, and the one thing necessary, to make practice homoeopathic is guidance by symptom similarity between one set (not two) of patient symptoms and the pathogenesis of one (not two) single, simple substance.
Cheers --
John
2009/7/18 Liz Brynin >
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"Nothing is so fatal to the progress of the human mind as to suppose that our views of science are ultimate; that there are no mysteries in nature; that our triumphs are complete; and that there are no new worlds to conquer."
— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)
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Well sorry, John, but I don't agree with you at all. I think the two go hand in hand. Hahnemann was searching for a better way to treat than all the poisons and crude substances that were in use at the time. It was a fundamental part of his research to find a way to use subsatnces without poisoning people.
As a result of his attempts to reduce the dose more and more, he discovered the power he unleashed by dilution and succussion (remember he knew a lot about alchemy and the way to potentise drugs.) Homeopathy had nothing to do with crude substance - that was just the starting point for his experiment. Remember that he stated in Aph. 2 that the physician should seek a 'gentle' restoration of health. He then went on (in Aph. 68 to say:" In homeopathic cures experience teaches us that from the uncommonly small doses of medicine required in this method of treatment..." and he goes on to refer you to Aphs. 275-287, in which he talks about the necessity of using small doses.
In my opinion, the minimum dose, similar substance and single remedy go hand in hand. You cannot separate them. These were Hahnemann's three basic principles.
Liz
As a result of his attempts to reduce the dose more and more, he discovered the power he unleashed by dilution and succussion (remember he knew a lot about alchemy and the way to potentise drugs.) Homeopathy had nothing to do with crude substance - that was just the starting point for his experiment. Remember that he stated in Aph. 2 that the physician should seek a 'gentle' restoration of health. He then went on (in Aph. 68 to say:" In homeopathic cures experience teaches us that from the uncommonly small doses of medicine required in this method of treatment..." and he goes on to refer you to Aphs. 275-287, in which he talks about the necessity of using small doses.
In my opinion, the minimum dose, similar substance and single remedy go hand in hand. You cannot separate them. These were Hahnemann's three basic principles.
Liz
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Re: Recommended Reading
Liz, homoeopathy means similarity of suffering. The word homoeopathy was invented to describe a particular kind of relationship between pathogenesis (i.e. primary symptoms) and symptomatology (i.e. natural illness): the relationship of greatest discernible similarity. The curative potential in such similarity was discovered using only substantial doses; and only much, much later was the relationship discovered to be employable even when the primary symptoms of the medicine were subtle enough to go unnoticed because the medicine's dose had been so drastically curtailed.
If potentisation had never been discovered, homoeopathy would have continued to be practised.
If the curative effects of the relationship of similarity had never been discovered, homoeopathy would not even be a word, as there would have been no reason to take note of any such similarities. The curative significance of the therapy lies not in potentisation (which is insufficient to produce any kind of cure) but in similarity (which is sufficient).
The proposed supercategory "potency medicine", on the other hand, requires no similarity but just potency, and has nothing whatever to do with homoeopathy except that in general, homoeopathic prescriptions will made in potency and therefore will fall into that supercategory. They need not, however, be potentised; they need only be able to interact with the organism -- even Silicea.
Cheers!
John
2009/7/21 Liz Brynin >
If potentisation had never been discovered, homoeopathy would have continued to be practised.
If the curative effects of the relationship of similarity had never been discovered, homoeopathy would not even be a word, as there would have been no reason to take note of any such similarities. The curative significance of the therapy lies not in potentisation (which is insufficient to produce any kind of cure) but in similarity (which is sufficient).
The proposed supercategory "potency medicine", on the other hand, requires no similarity but just potency, and has nothing whatever to do with homoeopathy except that in general, homoeopathic prescriptions will made in potency and therefore will fall into that supercategory. They need not, however, be potentised; they need only be able to interact with the organism -- even Silicea.
Cheers!
John
2009/7/21 Liz Brynin >
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Fran Sheffield
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Re: Recommended Reading
In my opinion, the minimum dose, similar substance and single remedy go hand in hand. You cannot separate them. These were Hahnemann's three basic principles.
'Similar substance' is still paramount.
Perhaps another way of looking at it is this:
1. Single remedy can (and is) be used by many other therapies - it is not exclusive to homeopathy
2. Minimum dose can (and is) used by many other therapies - while potentisation may have been discovered by Hahnemann it is now not exclusive to homeopathy
3. Similar substance though cannot be used by any other approach without it becoming 'homeopathy - ie., the homeopathic effect is taking place. With the other 2 principles, it could be any effect.
Similar substance is the only one of the three that is working by a natural law - the others are just principles.
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'Similar substance' is still paramount.
Perhaps another way of looking at it is this:
1. Single remedy can (and is) be used by many other therapies - it is not exclusive to homeopathy
2. Minimum dose can (and is) used by many other therapies - while potentisation may have been discovered by Hahnemann it is now not exclusive to homeopathy
3. Similar substance though cannot be used by any other approach without it becoming 'homeopathy - ie., the homeopathic effect is taking place. With the other 2 principles, it could be any effect.
Similar substance is the only one of the three that is working by a natural law - the others are just principles.
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Kind regards,
Fran Sheffield
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