Minutus

Hi, Shannon,
Apparently this flu has indeed been around for several years. An article appeared locally in the Raleigh (NC) newspaper several weeks ago, about how workers on pig farms (of which there are a huge number) in North Carolina show antibodies to the same swine flu, and the antibodies are several years old (I don’t know how they could tell that – they explained, but I don’t remember).
Rosemary
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon & Bob Nelson
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Oh, a PS--recently in a local news show, a study was mentioned which found something like 40% of pig farmers showing antibodies to (some form of something they called) swine flu. Some smaller percentage of the wider population (can't remember if details were given) also had them. So I wonder whether it's really as uncommon or "new" a thing as is being suggested?? That was fairly recent and on TV, so I could probably find details if it mattered...
Actually, apparently there is some immunity conferred by different types of flu – e.g., almost all the deaths so far in this swine flu epidemic have occurred among people too young to have been alive during the previous swine flu epidemic – which means that the immune systems of people who experience a flu epidemic have all been exposed, whether or not they developed symptoms. The fatality potential of an epidemic is raised by the lack of previous exposure to that disease variant in the general population. This situation is similar, for instance, to that shown by the fatality rate of measles and smallpox among Native Americans when they were first exposed by Europeans.

If you google “flu pandemic years,” you should get a list of years. There has been one approximately every 10-20 years at least since the beginning of the 20th century.One of those should be labeled “swine flu.” They hastened to make a vaccine for that swine flu, which ended up causing Guillain barre syndrome in a bunch of folks.
Rosemary
Recognizing that past turmoil and future rhapsodies are projections of our mind prevents us from getting stuck in them. Just as the face in the mirror is not a real face, the objects of our memories and daydreams are likewise unreal. They are not happening now; they are simply mental images flickering in the mind.

Thubten Chodron, from Taming the Mind (Snow Lion)
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Perhaps this flu
Tanks for the reminder about the aspirin connection!
What years were previous swine flu outbreaks (if there was more than one)? My sense of time is appalling...
Actually, apparently there is some immunity conferred by different types of flu – e.g., almost all the deaths so far in this swine flu epidemic have occurred among people too young to have been alive during the previous swine flu epidemic – which means that the immune systems of people who experience a flu epidemic have all been exposed, whether or not they developed symptoms. The fatality potential of an epidemic is raised by the lack of previous exposure to that disease variant in the general population. This situation is similar, for instance, to that shown by the fatality rate of measles and smallpox among Native Americans when they were first exposed by Europeans.

On Sun, 31 May 2009, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
Oh - about amonth or 6 weeks ago, IK guess

and what did they say?

irresponsible, just as measles parties, stupid idea, and of course
personal attacks: how could I say such a thing, I must be...

I.o.w. the usual when someone says something outside the mainstream.

(Was this toward the beginning,

Wll, it was after the first reports of it apparently being quite mild
in most cases.
Yes - that, and that it seems to be milder than the other genuine
*viral influenzas* - and then there was the usual mix-up of viral
influenza and that what is commonly called "flu":-))

Regards

Luise
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The idea seems to be that the virus further mutatet.

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
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2 and 2 is 22 -
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Interesting! So it only came to public notice because of the little
boy that died (who was I think being called Patient #1)?

That seems very consistent with it acting as a "normal, seasonal
flu"--not noticed because not particularly noteworthy? (But why so
much worse in Mexico... Wish we knew! Seems it must have to do with
"preexisting health conditions"...?)

That would suggest that its return for the regular "flu season" is not
likely to be anything spectacular either?

The vaccine debacle I remember. I didn't know whether that was
considered to be the first such "epidemic" or not. Who knows, there
may be some travels of teeny bugs that even today's scientists aren't
aware of! Oh my...!

reminder so-called viruses aren't even alive

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2009/0 ... print.html

The 1976 to 1977 flu season was the most flu-free since records had been kept; a condition that was apparently unrelated to the vaccination program. The Great Swine Flu Epidemic of 1976 never took place.



At 12:33 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:

From a virus point of view, this would be a logical move: test the
resistance of your 'victims', build up power (mutate) based on findings,
and then go!

Hennie

(And by this I do not mean to say that there is any such thing as a
virus, or that such processes actually are taking place..)

Luise Kunkle schreef:

So, your ears got a training and now, they're even better fixed to your
head

Luise Kunkle schreef:

If viruses were malevolent beings consciously intent on killing, then
sure, that would be a canny strategy. However, it's more to any
organism's best interests to achieve homeostasis with its hosts, and
usually that's what happens.

Also the process is not one-sided: as the organisms are "staking out
new claims" and finding further hosts, those hosts are building up
their defenses. So homeostasis is the *norm*, and killer diseases only
short-lived exceptions. Wicked tho some have been *for a time*!

Shannon