Minutus

Well in that case, why don't we make it frankly feminine - do away with all
the male biais, and call it world MATRImony!! Where does that get you?

In the interest of equality, we should also not talk about the fatherland or
the motherland - rather 'parentland'!!

Sorry, but that way madness lies. Once you start tinkering with words, it
becomes ridiculous. I think most people don't even associate the root of
that word with the idea of father - it's simply a rather formal, Latin-based
word, which incidentally works in all romance-based languages. And
accepting this usage is not denying women their rightful place in tradition.
There are lots of women famous for their contribution to society, and who
are recognised for this contribution: Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale,
Marjorie Blackie, Jane Goodall, Rachel Carson, Elizabeth Blackwell, Margaret
Mead - I could go on...

Liz

Oh, so in terms of linguisitics, we can't find a word that includes everyone instead of favouring thebprivilege of one group?

It's got to be one or the other, both inaccurate? Wow.
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Thank you for the great ideas: in the perspective of an adequate pragmacy: i really think the word should be legacy. In spanish the word is legado.

Felipe Cárdenas

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Well in that case, why don't we make it frankly feminine - do away with all
the male biais, and call it world MATRImony!! Where does that get you?

In the interest of equality, we should also not talk about the fatherland or
the motherland - rather 'parentland'!!

Sorry, but that way madness lies. Once you start tinkering with words, it
becomes ridiculous. I think most people don't even associate the root of
that word with the idea of father - it's simply a rather formal, Latin-based
word, which incidentally works in all romance-based languages. And
accepting this usage is not denying women their rightful place in tradition.
There are lots of women famous for their contribution to society, and who
are recognised for this contribution: Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale,
Marjorie Blackie, Jane Goodall, Rachel Carson, Elizabeth Blackwell, Margaret
Mead - I could go on...

Liz

Legacy, inheritance?

Tanya wrote:
Unfortunately, this is true *whoever* is in power.
How I know? In graduate school, I was one of three moderates in a large department of ultra-liberals, and I suffered for not whole-heartedly embracing the prevailing philosophy. When I complained, I was told that such prejudice couldn't *possibly* be happening to me. I found the situation highly ironic.
Cee

cee
it is an unfortunate condition of our culture that people become
so self-serving, impatient, and intolerant. i always think that when
people are disempowered they look for ways to feel stronger
and more in control in their lives. without looking at the ethics of
the situation many bad behavioral choices are made. it really
takes a committment to try to deal with oneself on this matter
and it can be a challenge.
tanya

If we are able to realistically conceive of ourselves as spirit, then
place our physical differences in that context, then (and probably
only then) will we be free from victim-hood.

Ken Wilbur wrote a book called "Boomeritis"
(a good read on personal egotism vs. a transpersonal self)
in which he refers to Charles Sykes "A Nation of Victims" --
"Happiness in America is no longer seen as an aspiration, something to
be earned, but as an entitlement. In America, everyone has the right
to be happy. Furthermore, with the notion of evil having evaporated
along with inevitable adversity, every American is somehow assumed to
be good. If he does something nasty, it must be the fault of
"society," or the result of a battered childhood or a bad diet.
Someone else is responsible."
"A parallel development to the assumption that perpetrators of
nastiness are "sick" -- and an equally deft evasion of responsibility
-- is the growing conviction that if an individual doesn't get
something he wants, if his wishes are frustrated in any way
whatsoever, he's being discriminated against and is a "victim." You're
a real no-account nowadays if you're not a victim of something, the
grand total of oppressed minorities in America now amounting to 374
percent of the population."
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"Oppressors" are outnumbered 3.74 to 1 !

All of this comes to mind as "probable cause" in various "politically
correct languaging" issues.

racism, sexism, ageism, looksism, etc .. all a co-creation within a
continuum where victimhood is power.
gnarly convolution !
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM, tamarque@earthlink.net
wrote:

Tanya wrote:
So I should blame my patriarchal culture for the way the "liberally enlightened" treated me? *scratches head*
Not sure what you're trying to say here, either. Are you reaffirming my right to complain? Or are you making excuses for why I was treated the way I was?
Still unclear...are you saying that I behaved badly, because I didn't consider the "proper" ethics of the situation (i.e., that they were inherently right and I was inherently wrong)? Or are you blaming their bad behavior on their failure to be ethical? Of course, the way you've phrased this (in the passive mode), no one is actually being placed in the position of taking *responsibility* for their choices....
Again, I can't tell if you're blaming me or the people who treated me badly because I didn't agree with them.
Incidentally, I would say that "legacy" is a better word than "patrimony"--mainly because it is a more familiar term!
Cee
- a feminist of a different stripe

But legacy doesn't mean the same as patrimony!
A legacy can be from one individual to another. It's also a countable noun - so it can be something tangible - it can be a single, simple item - or even money.
Patrimony, on the other hand, is much broader in meaning. There is no way that patrimony can mean money, or an heirloom passed down through the family. So when you're talking about something vast - like the pyramids, or machu Paicchu, patrimony is really the only appropriate word.
To exclude it is to impoverish language.
Liz

Hi Liz,

in German the word ist Welt-Kultur-Erbe - translating into
World-Culture-Inheritance.

So perhaps World-Legacy or something would be a reasonable expression
- also easier understood by most people than patrimony?

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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